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Haiti gang violence: 209 killed in Cité Soleil in 10 days
Thousands of residents of the Cité Soleil neighbourhood have fled as rival gangs fight for control.
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Answer: It is a gang turf war.I am not trying to be insensitive.
But is this a turf war over a neighborhood or a civil war for control of the government?
It is a Somali style civil war that simply has not expanded to other parts of the country?
I believe that the DR has very vocally asked for international assistance.No...one.. is really in charge in Haiti that can do anything. No...one outside of Haiti will do anything since... nothing changes.
The D.R. is worried about the Haitian problem and gangs that have already moved in.
It should be the D.R. asking for assistance.
MA....In one, two or three sentences..what would you like to see that is possible in this envirnomenand circumstances ? Short term? For the moment I suggest you leave the US out of this convo as the US has soooo.many issues it would be of little value to suggest an option. Fire away.I believe that the DR has very vocally asked for international assistance.
But - as we are all pretty much agreed - there will be no international military intervention to help Haiti.
there is always talk - of course -- https://www.americasquarterly.org/article/how-the-us-could-really-help-haiti/
The US certainly has given a great deal of support to the Dominican Republic - training the army, and giving aid (Including a very generous visa program) --
But... well...
Port Au Prince is only 5 hours from Sto.Dom...
Had a long talk with my very educated Haitian neighbor today. This is now the end of Haitians blaming ANYONE ELSE for the shape the country is in. This is the result of YEARS of training that they are poor because some one outside is to blame. Too many people are "Mal educado" and think the world owes them a living...MA....In one, two or three sentences..what would you like to see that is possible in this envirnomenand circumstances ? Short term? For the moment I suggest you leave the US out of this convo as the US has soooo.many issues it would be of little value to suggest an option. Fire away.
I know you are passionate about the subject but lets get down to the basics of reality.
Had a long talk with my very educated Haitian neighbor today. This is now the end of Haitians blaming ANYONE ELSE for the shape the country is in. This is the result of YEARS of training that they are poor because some one outside is to blame. Too many people are "Mal educado" and think the world owes them a living...
"Sitting under a tree - playing Dominos"
I could go on.
As I do.
"I wrote a long letter because I did not have time to write a short one"
As I have said to MANY Haitians -- I doubt that anyone will comeI have mentioned before in another thread...when the stake holders in Haiti have their investments endangered, that is when someone will step into Haiti. I do not believe it has to be a government entity.
EXACTLY!!However well intentioned some of us were, I think we made gross errors in providing hand outs instead of a hand up. I can remember sobbing because of the poverty I saw and giving them everything I had, including clothes. It was overwhelming the first couple of times. So now we have created a climate of dependence which will take decades to stabilize.
The Mormons were the only missionaries that I saw who actually did a GOOD JOB - as they train folks to WORK!!However well intentioned some of us were, I think we made gross errors in providing hand outs instead of a hand up. I can remember sobbing because of the poverty I saw and giving them everything I had, including clothes. It was overwhelming the first couple of times. So now we have created a climate of dependence which will take decades to stabilize.
I wish you could have met Roberta Audate. She was a daughter of an Army Drill Sergeant who ran a school/orphanage in PAP. Mucho mucho discipline. They had a tilapia fish farm and a chicken/egg business for about 20 guys.The Mormons were the only missionaries that I saw who actually did a GOOD JOB - as they train folks to WORK!!
Yes, but who is going to invest in what Haiti needs?
Massive infrastructure that will change living conditions for all the people.
Loans and grants that will rebuild the nation.
No the privileged a comfortable making their contributions, saying "Hey we sent the UN" and then leaving and shaking their head that "those people" just understand.
It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
Remittances don't help the people of 🇭🇹 and 🇩🇴⁉️
(Insert inappropriate language of your choice here) please
Reading statements like that almost make me want to take the whip (and sit in the penalty box for two weeks) so I can write what I REALLY think.
You actually think Haitians as a people have the skill, but more importantly the desire to organize themselves in order to set up a government that can enter the world markets and make business proposals for major infrastructure improvements.This has to be done by the Haitians themselves. Loans predicated on strictly measurable progress. Grants only to those who have proven themselves reliable and capable.
You actually think Haitians as a people have the skill, but more importantly the desire to organize themselves in order to set up a government that can enter the world markets and make business proposals for major infrastructure improvements.
My position is the Haitians can have a squeaky clean government and still not gain any traction because of who they are and how the nation started.
I am not aware that Haitians are not making the remittances to the people of Haiti.
To me it would be likely that they are.
The people who are out, send back to help those they know that have not been able to get out.