Cana Bay owners denounce property rights violations

[franco1111]

Interesting. Three hundred is a lot of property owners. I won't comment on the history of Cana Bay developments.

Roberto Cavada is a reputable source of RD news, based in Santo Domingo.

Propietarios en Cana Bay denuncian abusos y represalias por parte de la administración

Más de 300 propietarios del complejo turístico Cana Bay Resort, en Punta Cana, denunciaron una serie de abusos que aseguran atentan contra sus derechos de pro

robertocavada.com

[Google translation from Spanish]

Cana Bay property owners report abuse and retaliation by management.

More than 300 owners of the Cana Bay Resort in Punta Cana have reported a series of abuses that they claim violate their property rights and the legal security of their investments. Among the main complaints are restrictions on access to their properties, pressure to sign a "Protective Regulation" imposed by the administration, and retaliation against those who do not accept these conditions.

(more in the link)

 

[SKY]

I know this place well. It is just past the entrance to the Hard Rock. But it has nothing to do with the HR or the owner. They have been selling for years and people think it is part of the HR, but you cannot even get into the HR if you own here. One of the worst investments you can make in PC...........

 

[franco1111]

I know this place well. It is just past the entrance to the Hard Rock. But it has nothing to do with the HR or the owner. They have been selling for years and people think it is part of the HR, but you cannot even get into the HR if you own here. One of the worst investments you can make in PC...........

Exactly. They have, over the years, featured prominently the proximity to Hard Rock. To the point that i think I saw disclaimers at one point.

They have also said, and may still say, if you put your condo into the rental pool, they will pay you a very high guaranteed rate of return. Guaranteed.

There is a lot more about the history of the projects. There are multiple buildings/projects. It will be interestinig to follow this situation.

 

[keepcoming]

I always thought it was "deceiving" the way Cana Bay made their advertising look as though the project was connected to the Hard Rock. Or at least early on it did, I haven't looked recently.

 

[franco1111]

it is not clear to me yet which property owners are complaining. There are two separate entities in the same area. All use the Cana Bay beach club.

CANA BAY BEACH CLUB & GOLF RESORT

Cana Bay es más que un Resort, es una comunidad. Una comunidad que cuenta con proyectos inmobiliarios de calidad, modernos, sostenibles que permiten vivir rodeado de familia y amigos.

www.canabay.com

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Cana Rock Punta Cana Condos for Sale in Dominican Republic

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[NanSanPedro]

The Cana Rock, Beach Rock, Cana Pearl, Coral Bay, Cana Brava, Cana Green projects are promoted by private developers not related to either Hard Rock Hotel & Casino or Cana Bay Beach Club & Golf Resort. Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Punta Cana does not share its facilities or services with the projects mentioned above.

https://canabay.com/about-us

 

[BETA59]

The situation in this area is very simple and can be explained in three points.

First, there is a document that should be made public: the Canabay Protective Regulations (you can find it on Google: https://canabay.com.do/images/pdf/Cana_Bay_-_Reglamento_Protector_-_2016_Final.pdf) - every potential buyer should read it before deciding to purchase and understand that it's a huge commercial trap with extraordinary restrictions that affect property rights in every way. Of course, brokers never show it, and this document must be signed as a surprise to the Canabay Administration, forced upon them after purchasing the apartment.

Second, the development conditions of the area are deficient (no social life, overpriced beach club $500 per person per year, and closed at 6 p.m., no direct access to the beach, difficult to rent, too many restrictions, market flooded with Airbnb offers...). The level of dissatisfaction in the area is significant, 95% of residents who are almost owners are unhappy... to the point that one owner was forced to go to court just to gain access to his property. And others want to sell even at a loss just to get out.

Third, a monthly share is payable to Canabay in addition to the residence's share, and it is rising to an extraordinary level without justification. Canabay's managers don't hold any meetings and decide on the increase as they see fit without any real justification. In the future, the risk is that the owners will no longer be able to pay, and therefore the apartments will be seized.

Ultimately, if potential buyers were aware of this in time, they would never sign the purchase agreement, and therefore, after the famous Canabay Protective Regulations.

There is, in reality, a breach of trust and a situation of fraud in this area.

 

[JD Jones]

Sounds like a time share.

I just mentioned a few days ago, but I'll mention it again.

A reminder: If any poster is going to post a complaint about any sort of business, that poster must identify themself to ensure fairness in posts.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Sounds like a time share.

I just mentioned a few days ago, but I'll mention it again.

A reminder: If any poster is going to post a complaint about any sort of business, that poster must identify themself to ensure fairness in posts.

Funny thing the truth is. Turns out, you get the truth more often than not when you give folks the safety of anonymity. This is just a plain old ultimatum disguised as "fairness in posts". It's probably just better to say "ToS states that blah blah blah...". Fairness in posts 🤣🙄

Adding: Truth is, few people want to hear the truth. Few want a solution. A solution hurts.

 

[JD Jones]

FWIW, Robert set up this rule in the original TOS.

If a person has to identify themselves, they'll think twice before posting.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

FWIW, Robert set up this rule in the original TOS.

If a person has to identify themselves, they'll think twice before posting.

So now the truth comes out lol. I feel like I'm in a movie! We go from the rule is for "fairness in posts" to scare and intimidation tactics. You know, like the mafia 🤣. It's my experience that we seek folks' honest takes and experiences with a business, especially a resort, restaurant, hospital, etc. That's why Yelp, Amazon and everyone else let's you write a review under your handle or completely anonymous.

 

[SKY]

FWIW, Robert set up this rule in the original TOS.

If a person has to identify themselves, they'll think twice before posting.

Absolutely true. Anyone that thinks that someone posting anonymous crap is posting truth opposed to someone that backs what they say with their name attached is a complete moron and a fraud........... And you know who you are..............

 

[Big]

Absolutely true. Anyone that thinks that someone posting anonymous crap is posting truth opposed to someone that backs what they say with their name attached is a complete moron and a fraud........... And you know who you are..............

We will try to follow your strong examples in ethics and morality. Thank you.

 

[keepcoming]

So now the truth comes out lol. I feel like I'm in a movie! We go from the rule is for "fairness in posts" to scare and intimidation tactics. You know, like the mafia 🤣. It's my experience that we seek folks' honest takes and experiences with a business, especially a resort, restaurant, hospital, etc. That's why Yelp, Amazon and everyone else let's you write a review under your handle or completely anonymous.

How many people get upset over something and then decide to put it all out there on social media, when in fact only half of the story is being told? You can't "publicly out" a person or their business without some proof, it is only fair. By having to identify yourself it adds to the validity of what is being posted. Not to mention the legal aspects of it.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

How many people get upset over something and then decide to put it all out there on social media, when in fact only half of the story is being told? You can't "publicly out" a person or their business without some proof, it is only fair. By having to identify yourself it adds to the validity of what is being posted. Not to mention the legal aspects of it.

You can spin it how you like mafriend. I respect the simple truth:. Hey, this is the ToS. Simple. That's understandable. You come into my house, you're taking your shoes off. I don't have to spin it.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

How many people get upset over something and then decide to put it all out there on social media, when in fact only half of the story is being told? You can't "publicly out" a person or their business without some proof, it is only fair. By having to identify yourself it adds to the validity of what is being posted. Not to mention the legal aspects of it.

Now you're saying you can't write a negative review? The whole Internet is based on negative reviews lol. It really just suffices to say hey look, these are the terms of service. Not because it makes things fair. Because those be the rules. I don't like to write bad reviews, it's not in my blood. But everyone has a voice. You don't need prima facie to write a bad review. That's silly. But when you say "it's my house, those are the rules" anyone should be able to understand that.

 

[keepcoming]

Now you're saying you can't write a negative review? The whole Internet is based on negative reviews lol. It really just suffices to say hey look, these are the terms of service. Not because it makes things fair. Because those be the rules. I don't like to write bad reviews, it's not in my blood. But everyone has a voice. You don't need prima facie to write a bad review. That's silly. But when you say "it's my house, those are the rules" anyone should be able to understand that.

I am sure you know the difference between writing a bad review as opposed to accusing a person/business of something.

 

[SKY]

I am sure you know the difference between writing a bad review as opposed to accusing a person/business of something.

Sure he knows the difference, that is why he is asking for the ability to hide behind a rock and post anonymous accusations with no consequences to himself……………

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Sure he knows the difference, that is why he is asking for the ability to hide behind a rock and post anonymous accusations with no consequences to himself……………

You're an angry old man. You need to free your spirit sir.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

I am sure you know the difference between writing a bad review as opposed to accusing a person/business of something.

I guess I'm not sure which post does this in the thread. I just see many posters complaining about the place. Which number post is the accusation?