Cardinals Prospect Oscar Taveras Killed In Car Crash

dulce

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Trust me. I have not read the whole thing.
I got an easier solution. I put you on iggy. That's what I do when someone irritates me with too many say nothing posts.
 

hammerdown

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Interesting that no one has commented about the tree being on the INSIDE of the turn, not on the outside......I passed by the scene today and thought this guy must have been flying and lost control long before he wacked the tree....RIP Taveras......
 

the gorgon

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Interesting that no one has commented about the tree being on the INSIDE of the turn, not on the outside......I passed by the scene today and thought this guy must have been flying and lost control long before he wacked the tree....RIP Taveras......

that is why i posted that he spun off and hit the tree while going sideways. the car actually went partway up the tree.
 

SKY

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There was a moment of silence in memory of Oscar and his girlfriend before the World Series Game tonight.
 

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I have tried to hold my opinion until I was able to get enough information about this. It's a sad situation but it's going to get ugly.

He's young, making money, and enjoying life.

I saw the video of him and his girlfriend in the car, there is a bottle of liquor. As TMZ reports they believe alcohol was not a factor.

A major news story about a promising young man in a country troubled by dangerous roads which gets boosts of economy from tourism and rent-a-cars, I'm sure the politicos are saying it had nothing to do with alcohol.

We all know the truth.

I've driven on that road in the rain. Roads here are dangerous, even more so in bad weather. That's all the more reason to be more cautious and, if you aren't sober, not get behind the wheel.

As a 22 year old I probably didn't have the best judgement (most can agree on this) and I can't say he did in that moment either.

It's a tragic loss but that does not excuse drunken driving. Now we are going to have a mess of the politicos trying to spin this as an accident and not a lack of judgement.

They need to plaster this all over as a reason NOT to drink and drive. Set an example for the younger generation to see what can happen.

Kudos to this young man's father for standing up at his son's funeral and telling people the importance of wearing their seat-belts.
 

J D Sauser

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Who cares really?
He was at the wheel, he caused the accident and killed that 18 year old girl.
I didn't see Sosua go into mourning state because of her. Really, I don't even know what they did with her remains.

Ferrari split in two in Santo Domingo (oh no, he was not racing), Camaro hitting a palm tree on the Puerto Plata Malecon (another rainy day!) and go up in flames (naw, they barely nudged the tree... call it a parking accident) and now this... among the hundreds and thousands we don't hear about.
But when they are rich and/or famous... anybody else's lives don't count... they are just "other people" and the city mourns the "Angelito" who did it.

And here's the lesson:

Chicas, no se suban con Jevitos, aunque tengan cadena de oro, carrito chevere y hablen mas vaina con tigueraje que los otros! Porque NI te van a recordar!

Frankly, I am glad for trees, not because they kill speeding hell drivers, but because they seem to take the hits better than the people who could have been standing there instead.
And that's what's missing: the thought of "what if it had been SOMEONE instead?"
Yes, we see a lot of ineptitude on Dominican roads EVERY TIME we get on them. But what we also see every day, is someone in a flashy expensive car, sports car or luxury jeepeta, some with "green plates", hell driving like Trujillo on Extasis because he thinks he is sooooo important, nothing and nobody can stop him. Well, it so seems that that light posts and trees remain unimpressed.

And YES, it happens elsewhere too, but here, it's being treated, heck CELEBRATED like "Patrimonio Nacional".

I can't find it in myself to feel sorry in anyway for people like that... I reserve that for those they KILL.

... J-D.
 

the gorgon

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Who cares really?
He was at the wheel, he caused the accident and killed that 18 year old girl.
I didn't see Sosua go into mourning state because of her. Really, I don't even know what they did with her remains.

Ferrari split in two in Santo Domingo (oh no, he was not racing), Camaro hitting a palm tree on the Puerto Plata Malecon (another rainy day!) and go up in flames (naw, they barely nudged the tree... call it a parking accident) and now this... among the hundreds and thousands we don't hear about.
But when they are rich and/or famous... anybody else's lives don't count... they are just "other people" and the city mourns the "Angelito" who did it.

And here's the lesson:

Chicas, no se suban con Jevitos, aunque tengan cadena de oro, carrito chevere y hablen mas vaina con tigueraje que los otros! Porque NI te van a recordar!

Frankly, I am glad for trees, not because they kill speeding hell drivers, but because they seem to take the hits better than the people who could have been standing there instead.
And that's what's missing: the thought of "what if it had been SOMEONE instead?"
Yes, we see a lot of ineptitude on Dominican roads EVERY TIME we get on them. But what we also see every day, is someone in a flashy expensive car, sports car or luxury jeepeta, some with "green plates", hell driving like Trujillo on Extasis because he thinks he is sooooo important, nothing and nobody can stop him. Well, it so seems that that light posts and trees remain unimpressed.

And YES, it happens elsewhere too, but here, it's being treated, heck CELEBRATED like "Patrimonio Nacional".

I can't find it in myself to feel sorry in anyway for people like that... I reserve that for those they KILL.

... J-D.

JD, i have to agree with everything you say. it is sheer providence that this guy hit a tree, and not one of those 15 seater minubuses carrying 23 passengers. the carnage would have been mind numbing.
 

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In spite of those grumpy, old, constipated expats who take the time to pontificate on the bad decisions of a young man, others take the time to celebrate his life which is gone way too young. This is a very very big deal to Dominicans and Baseball fans alike. A World Series moment of silence and significant press tell you the import of this young man.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...ominican-flag-following-game-6-230503960.html

Makes you wonder if this would've been one of their sons, would they say the same thing or would
they like to hear someone say the things they're saying? So easy to condemn someone when it's
not their own.
 

the gorgon

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In spite of those grumpy, old, constipated expats who take the time to pontificate on the bad decisions of a young man, others take the time to celebrate his life which is gone way too young. This is a very very big deal to Dominicans and Baseball fans alike. A World Series moment of silence and significant press tell you the import of this young man.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...ominican-flag-following-game-6-230503960.html

well, RV, there are usually several facets to a story. you choose to celebrate the guy's life, others , namely the grumpy old expats, choose to see his imprudence as the issue.

by the way, was the girl of any import to you? he took her life, in the event you missed that aspect. had this happened in the USA, her family would have lawyered up and wiped out his estate with a wrongful death suit. she is just as important as he was. he just happened to have great skill in hitting a ball with a stick.
 

the gorgon

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Makes you wonder if this would've been one of their sons, would they say the same thing or would
they like to hear someone say the things they're saying? So easy to condemn someone when it's
not their own.

actually, bronzie, everyone seems to be fixated on this guy having died in the prime of his life, under tragic circumstances. nobody seems to remember that his indiscretion and bad judgement did not only cause him to lose his life; he caused the death of someone even younger than himself, whose life was just as precious to at least a segment of the population.
 

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He was at the wheel, he caused the accident and killed that 18 year old girl.
I didn't see Sosua go into mourning state because of her. Really, I don't even know what they did with her remains.

she was buried in moca,where she came from, last thursday.

Makes you wonder if this would've been one of their sons, would they say the same thing or would they like to hear someone say the things they're saying? So easy to condemn someone when it's not their own.

now imagine what would you do if you were a mother of that girl who was killed by him. what would you say?
 

bronzeallspice

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well, RV, there are usually several facets to a story. you choose to celebrate the guy's life, others , namely the grumpy old expats, choose to see his imprudence as the issue.

by the way, was the girl of any import to you? he took her life, in the event you missed that aspect. had this happened in the USA, her family would have lawyered up and wiped out his estate with a wrongful death suit. she is just as important as he was. he just happened to have great skill in hitting a ball with a stick.

Gorgon, stop putting the blame squarely on his shoulders. The girlfriend is just as much to
blame for being in the car. I'm quite sure this was not the first time she was riding with
him and she must have been aware of his speeding. She is very much responsible as he
was for what occurred. If she didn't like it she could've simply refused to continue to
ride with him unless he slowed down.
 

bronzeallspice

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she was buried in moca,where she came from, last thursday.



now imagine what would you do if you were a mother of that girl who was killed by him. what would you say?

I would first blame my daughter for being so careless and not having better judgment. Yes I
would be upset but not put the blame squarely on him.
 

the gorgon

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Gorgon, stop putting the blame squarely on his shoulders. The girlfriend is just as much to
blame for being in the car. I'm quite sure this was not the first time she was riding with
him and she must have been aware of his speeding. She is very much responsible as he
was for what occurred. If she didn't like it she could've simply refused to continue to
ride with him unless he slowed down.

i agree that she could have gotten out, but it is counterintuitive to believe that she would have asked him to pull over and let her out in a driving rainstorm. she has no responsibility in this. he was at the wheel, and he wrecked. had he survived, he could never have had the audacity to go before a court in a vehicular manslaughter trial and offer her presence in the car as a defense.
 

bronzeallspice

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i agree that she could have gotten out, but it is counterintuitive to believe that she would have asked him to pull over and let her out in a driving rainstorm. she has no responsibility in this. he was at the wheel, and he wrecked. had he survived, he could never have had the audacity to go before a court in a vehicular manslaughter trial and offer her presence in the car as a defense.

Gorgon, my point is that she didn't ask him to because she liked it. She was just as wreck less as he was.