Casino Scams in the DR

Uzin

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Well, apparently if you follow the basic strategy in Black Jack the house should have less than 1% against you (with descend rules that they have in Vegas and in DR - not all places), so that is $1 in $100 total betting. But then the statisticians don't tell you about one other important thing, how many hands you need to play to approach these odds... !? On the face of it, whenever I play BJ I never get odds anywhere like that, but to achieve this, that is only to loose 1% of your playing money, you need to play way over 300,000 hands (I have done my own simulation program to come up with this !). Now you can figure out how much time you need to spend on BJ table to loose 1%....!

(This is all assuming they don't cheat with the deck and dealing etc.... not sure how much you can trust them in DR though.)
 

SKY

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If you are playing BJ with a 1% disadvantage and bet $100 per hand you should lose about 65$ per hour. That is arrived at 65 hands per hour. The figure could vary slightly based on how fast the dealer is.

Also to obtain this 1% you would have to play perfect basic strategy.

If you want to win at BJ you need to learn to count cards. The best count to beat the game is the plus-minus count. 2 through 6 cards are plus one, and 10, face cards, and aces are minus one. 7-8-9 are neutral cards and do not count.

I did well in Vegas with this system until being Blacklisted from every casino in Nevada.
 

Uzin

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That's correct about $65 but notice what I said about number of hands, to get the exact 1% statistics you need to play about 4000 hours like that... ! If you play just 1 hour and bet $100 a hand you very rarely loose just $65, you either loose a lot more or could win some too.

As for card counting the casinos are now either use auto-shuffle or cut the deck in half, I have done a lot of simulations with various card-counting techniques and you get very little or nothing at all if the deck is cut in half.

To get any reasonable result from card-counting the deck should be cut at least to 70-75% and you need to play a lot of hands (well, remember my 300k hands, perhaps many times that to make some real money). Very hard these days and as you say you simply get blacklisted if necessary....

I never play BJ or other games to win, I just go to casino to loose as little as possible and for (not free but very expensive considering your loss) A/C, drinks, the sandwich and occasional eye-candy (if lucky !)..... lol
 

POH

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There are in fact suckers all over the island, but I have not seen any big biker types intimidating the clientele. Actually quite the contrary, I enjoy having a cocktail in the casinos watching the crowd meeting up with friends. The casino business always has people that feel they are scammed when they lose money. Play the game, have a chuckle over a few bucks and move on. If one thinks he's going to win thousands at that game and continues to go to the ATM chasing his losses, he's the problem not the casino. I have played the game for amusement while having a drink and no dirty biker or man in a suit threatened me to put up more cash.

I am in the casino about once a month before I walk down to Pedro C. I have in fact played the game. Like all casino games the odds are against you. Craps, roulette, slots and the money wheel. It's a form of entertainment.But for some reason when people come to the D.R it's sleazy and under handed antics.Go to a pit boss in Atlantic City N.J and tell him you were scammed out of 5 large he would probably say " want to open a line of credit".

southern.....I'm legitimately curious if you either run a "progressive roulette" game (or one of another name like it) or just work for a casino in the DR? You seem to like to defend this game by implying that those "suckers" who've lost at it are just complaining that they lost and they should expect that in any casino? I completely understand the idea that all games odds are against you. I also fully admit I got suckered into playing this game. Unlike others, I'm not complaining about it overly, as it wasn't a ton of money I lost, and in fact, I'm fascinated by the way it works after having researched it upon my return many years ago. It's one of the reasons I found this forum many years later as I was curious to see if this game still existed.

Here's the thing. You claim you've actually played it? If so, lemme ask you this. Are you convinced it's not a scam? That they don't intentionally mislead you by miscounting in your favour early in the game? Do you actually believe it's legit? I mean, I don't think it's impossible, like many do, but it's so improbable that's it's darn close!! I fully accept the fact that I was dumb (and drunk) enough to be fooled by the guy running it and at the same time, I fully credit the dude for being an absolute pro at what he was doing, even if I'd love to take a baseball bat to his knees. Lol. Seriously though, are you so naïve that you just think it's a game with poor odds and those who've lost at it are just sore losers? Or do you understand what's been explained both by "victims" and video evidence that it's been supported by?

I find it hard to believe that some get taken for "thousands" but if they have that kind of money, so be it I guess? Even in a drunken state, we were able to figure out the scam while still playing, but regardless, would never have gone any further than we did, had we actually continued to believe it was legit. Unlike many, I do feel bad for these people, but I also agree they need to own it as well. Even if it was legit, you shouldn't gamble money you can't afford to lose. I get it. But I really am curious is you're just a pot stirrer who gets it, or if you truly believe this game is not an actual scam?
 

southern

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There are people who make a living gambling. It is at the sports book, poker and black jack. There are very few that succeed as it requires one to be patient and well funded. All the other games are entertainment or if you prefer " suckers" bets. Go to the casinos, enjoy, take in the sights, throw a hundred or two around and have a few drinks. Losing a few thousand ( U.S) indicates deeper issues. If someone is holding a gun on you while you are playing, I will then sympathize.
 

southern

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Further; lottery, keno and roulette take millions more than any razzle dazzle game. People have lost their families, businesses and taken their own lives. Never once heard that they got ripped off. OK, here is a sure bet buy MGM resorts international ticker symbol MGM and Caesar's Entertainment ticker CZR......they are sure bets.They trade on the stock exchange every day,$$$$$
 

POH

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southern....still didn't answer my question really did ya? I know a lot about gambling. I play lotteries. I go to Vegas multiple times per year. I also gamble online as well. I know my odds, I know the entertainment vs reality of winning bit. BUT, even when I play roulette, keno or lotteries, it's fair. I know the rules, I know the odds, etc. I don't expect to win the lottery, but I still choose to play, just to have that little chance and the best part is, even if I win the big one one day, guess what? The lottery corp wins as well seeing as they take their share! Same goes for Vegas. Roulette's odds are not very good at all. In any given night, a few people will get lucky and win a bunch of money. But for every one of these winners, there are hundreds of losers! Same goes for slot machines. I believe the payout ratio for slots in Vegas is just north of 90%? This means that 90% of the money a machine take in is eventually given back to the players. People find this hard to understand as they seem to lose a lot more than 10% of the time, but eventually a big winner on said machine pulls that machine back to the 90/10 ratio. The casino's are making more than enough at 7-10% to the point they're happy giving that 90+ back! Sorry, i'm getting off track here. Back to the "progressive roulette / Super Keno" or whatever you prefer to call it. It is so crooked in the way they miscount to deceive you that it would be illegal in any casino in a regulated world. There's a reason a game this crooked isn't played in Vegas!

It still amazes me that people, not just you, have this "oh, you're just bitter you lost to the casino" or "you're a moron for gambling and you prob don't complain when you win" sort of attitude. I encourage any of those people, yourself included, to read more, research more, etc on this game. That video of "Razzle Dazzle" that someone (Frank12 I believe?) posted is spot on. There's countless other videos and written explanations on how it works, or how it works for the "house" anyway. Don't be so stubborn and write people off as sore losers if you don't understand the crooked way this game works.

Again, i'm far from a sore loser and i'm not bitter whatsoever. In fact, if I were to run into this game i'd actually give it a go and the minute I saw them miscount in my favour, i'd make a point to point it out or i'd insist on counting my own rolls myself. I'm pretty certain anyone who does this would set off alarm bells and they'd likely somehow end the game pretty quick or allow you to continue without the "miscounted rolls", knowing that you'd bail pretty quickly without the quick start they give to you through deceit. On that note, if anyone has any stories of doing just that, as in, calling them on their BS, i'd love to hear it. I promise you, i'll do it if I ever find myself back in a position to do so!
 

RDKNIGHT

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Blackjack you have a shot at winning a shot if you play by the book but if you are trying to make living and feed your family there is too much pressure on you . the dealers have no pressure its just a job they could give a rats butt if you win or lose .

my strategy is i watch the cards when i see a lot of low cards come out
Consecutively i incease my bet its works for me 70% of the time . but point is you have to leave when you are winning and also plan on only losing a
certain amount remember tomorrow is a new day. chasing your money is suicide.


check this link out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QflVqavHHM0
 

southern

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southern....still didn't answer my question really did ya? . I know the rules, I know the odds, etc. I don't expect to win the lottery, but I still choose to play,

sounds like you answered it yourself. You and I are why casinos are in business. Just leave your mortgage payment and food money for the kids at home.
 

POH

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sounds like you answered it yourself. You and I are why casinos are in business. Just leave your mortgage payment and food money for the kids at home.

Uh, no. You obviously just wanna beat around the bush here. The question was "Do you believe this game is actually legit or is it an actual scam?". By legit, I mean, run properly with rules, odds, etc and no carni-style slight of hand/mind intended to mislead the player. Straight up gambling like what roulette, BJ, craps, etc is?

If you don't wanna answer the questions, so be it. :ermm: