CEPM & Solar Panels: Abuse?

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CEPM is doing a pilot program of charging customers for using solar energy. Now people in the Bávaro/Punta Cana area that have solar panels are getting electricity bills of upwards RD$10,000 in the worse case scenario. Using solar panels in addition to being green technology was meant to lower electricity bills, not increase them.

A Swiss woman that lives in Bávaro (she lived in Cabarete for a few years before the company she works for transfer her to Bávaro against her wishes) and uses solar panels is interviewed (in Spanish) about this abuse from CEPM. Since this is a pilot program, expect the EDE's to begin to apply it too, if they haven't already. They are billing people for using energy from their solar panels by "potencia" rather than kwh.


Anyone has personal experience of using solar panels and received an increase in their electric bills from CEPM?
 

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CEPM is doing a pilot program of charging customers for using solar energy. Now people in the Bávaro/Punta Cana area that have solar panels are getting electricity bills of upwards RD$10,000 in the worse case scenario. Using solar panels in addition to being green technology was meant to lower electricity bills, not increase them.

A Swiss woman that lives in Bávaro (she lived in Cabarete for a few years before the company she works for transfer her to Bávaro against her wishes) and uses solar panels is interviewed (in Spanish) about this abuse from CEPM. Since this is a pilot program, expect the EDE's to begin to apply it too, if they haven't already. They are billing people for using energy from their solar panels by "potencia" rather than kwh.


Anyone has personal experience of using solar panels and received an increase in their electric bills from CEPM?
Logic escapes me, you pay for the solar panels and installation, and they charge you for the electricity generated.
 

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Logic escapes me, you pay for the solar panels and installation, and they charge you for the electricity generated.

Hard to wrap your head around this. Mr AE was talking to himself last night after reading this thread and watching the whole video. It’s absurd.
 

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Not sure she has it right - she might not always tell the whole truth because she said she likes the music here in DR....I'm not buying that.

But consider if you are on a well and still the water company still wants to charge you a minimum for water, because they say they own all the water rights.
So it's not a stretch to think an electric company, which also has solar panels would claim they own the energy sent by the sun.

I say we revive my campaign "Free the Sun, Stop Solar Energy Now".
With tongue in cheek - I actually had t-shirts made an image of the sun being strangled by an electrical cord and with the above slogan underneath about 40 years ago when solar panels first appeared. We had some fun trying to be serious
 
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My only guess is that they are charging you a transmission and distribution fee, if you have a bidirectional meter. You are feeding electricity back into the grid, and using a grid that you did not pay for. Therefore they charge a transmission fee. My Spanish is bad so maybe I am misunderstanding.
The only solution is to get more panels and batteries, and tell them to come get their meter and disconnect you from the grid.
 

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Wasn't the whole idea supposed to be that if you generate excess energy they would pay for it? Maybe this is a move to not pay for electricity provided by end consumers?
 

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Wasn't the whole idea supposed to be that if you generate excess energy they would pay for it? Maybe this is a move to not pay for electricity provided by end consumers?
Yes, that is why I tell people to just install what you need or what you can store. Many countries, companies and states are backing away from paying you for your excess or they will pay you at a lower rate, plus you have to pay the transmission fees. There will be a lot of fees in the future for solar users and electric car owners as governments struggle to pay for infrastructure without gasoline taxes and other fees.
 
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Wasn't the whole idea supposed to be that if you generate excess energy they would pay for it? Maybe this is a move to not pay for electricity provided by end consumers?
Yes, and that's what they do.
The fraudulent tricky part:
The pay for your solar panel collected energy, injected into their CEPM system a super low price per KW,
While You have to pay Them for Your own used powers a ridiculous 18 pesos per KW.
I don't know that actual exact price they pay in Bavaro per KW injected to their system, but "heard" it is just a 1/3 of what you pay for the energy you use/pay to them per KW.
If thats the case, well, then you need fotovoltaik cells producing 3 times the energy amount of what you can use in your house, to not get a bill to pay to CEP at the end of the day.
But investing in a fotovoltaik system 3 times bigger than what you really need/consume at your place, is a way too high investment to make it worth to even think about solar power at such place then.
Reilleyp,
yes, that's what i so far do, no connection to the CEP power grid, what i produce is a good chunk more than what i consume, i have always 21.6KW stored in my batteries for cloudy times/night time etc, what my solar panels would produce on top of that goes unused puff in the air, but nobody can charge me for that, YET.
When i started to build the lil Ranch here, it was meant to be our weekend hangout place with some animals around and by that time (still the case, but changing as we speak) anyways CEPM had no power lines up here at our campo, so solar power was the only way to get electricity, hence you find solar panels all around the area.
NOW, since earlier this year 2023, CEPM is coming around and questions neighbours if they would be willing to connect to their power grid, if they would bring up a power line out here.
Due that sh.it show going on in Bavaro(same CEPM Company as the power provider),I will so far completely refuse to get not even a basic power connection with them on my property, nor will i allow them to cross my property with their future/planned power lines.
But who knows what new regulations will come out in the future for that thing, we shall see.
As my girls decided they want to def move on the Finca and give up the Condo in Bavaro, electricity here is more important to me, as we live full time here.
Hence I just recently did some upgrades, including more batteries for elec storage and just in case it would be needed, a new bigger power generator that allows me to recharge my batteries and run the pump of the well by generator, too.
So far it was not necessary to use the generator, but you never know what could happen in the future, no system is bullet prooved to failures/damages, so i try to prepare as good as possible.
But to do a contract with the soon (CEPM words, could mean in 3 months or in 20 years, lol)to come power grid to our valley, is for me at this point completely out of question, and they need to use the other side of the road for their electricity poles, as i will not allow them along my long street front. (it is stretchy, they can not put them on the public ground of the street without making the tiny dirt road a super tiny one lane track then).
Time will show what will come up there.
If this country/government wants people to go to "green" energies, to assist the country wide overrun power grids, then they need to make such assistance lucrative.
Btw, the lady on the video/interview, Suzanne, I know here in person since somewhere 15 or even more years, maybe 20 already.
I did never speak to her about this theme, as we did not meet since before the pandemic, so when i opened the video i was surprised to see a familiar face.
 

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Due that sh.it show going on in Bavaro(same CEPM Company as the power provider),I will so far completely refuse to get not even a basic power connection with them on my property, nor will i allow them to cross my property with their future/planned power lines.
But who knows what new regulations will come out in the future for that thing, we shall see.
As my girls decided they want to def move on the Finca and give up the Condo in Bavaro, electricity here is more important to me, as we live full time here.
Hence I just recently did some upgrades, including more batteries for elec storage and just in case it would be needed, a new bigger power generator that allows me to recharge my batteries and run the pump of the well by generator, too.
So far it was not necessary to use the generator, but you never know what could happen in the future, no system is bullet prooved to failures/damages, so i try to prepare as good as possible.
But to do a contract with the soon (CEPM words, could mean in 3 months or in 20 years, lol)to come power grid to our valley, is for me at this point completely out of question, and they need to use the other side of the road for their electricity poles, as i will not allow them along my long street front. (it is stretchy, they can not put them on the public ground of the street without making the tiny dirt road a super tiny one lane track then).
Mike, can you go into some detail as to how you got the pump to run from the generator? We have underground pump only connected to EDE Este here and a generator, solar or diesel, would not help with water. Thanks.
 

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Mike, can you go into some detail as to how you got the pump to run from the generator? We have underground pump only connected to EDE Este here and a generator, solar or diesel, would not help with water. Thanks.
I purchased the package first with solar panels and the waterpump, including my well digged 400ft down.
It is a 3HP pump and I run it with 8 solar panels(each 144 Fotovoltaik cells/450Watts.
For when i need water quick for the animals or plantations when it is clouded, i let the guy do me a connection to switch from solar power to my generator, just by moving one quick breaker from up to down position, so it disconnects the solar panels and connects the Generator outlet to the pump.
as the pump is a 3HP running on 220V, I have a generator(mine is gasoline, but its used fuel doesn't matter, you can also use a Diesel powered generator etc, important is that your generator has a Outlet strong enough for the power needed by your water pump) with a outlet of 220V/25Amp, thats 5,5KW power, enough to run a 3H Pump on its full powers.
Give me a minute, I will take a photo of the breaker he installed me for that.
As I see it it simply interrupts one phase from my Pumps solar regulator to the pump. On one breaker position the phase runs uninterrupted, full solar powered, on the other breaker position the power from the generator goes directly to the pump with the solar regulator beeing disconnected on that position.
 
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This is the 250V/60A Breaker I use, you get that at every Ferreteria/electician place.
The small breaker with the red knob is my on/off switch for the water pump, no matter it runs on solar or generator power.
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I have a 2nd such equal breaker mounted, so i can connect my generator's 110V outlet to recharge my solar battery storage, if there would ever be need to do so.
It disconnects the solar panels from the Inverter and feeds it with generator electricity instead.
 
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Yes, and that's what they do.
The fraudulent tricky part:
The pay for your solar panel collected energy, injected into their CEPM system a super low price per KW,
While You have to pay Them for Your own used powers a ridiculous 18 pesos per KW.
I don't know that actual exact price they pay in Bavaro per KW injected to their system, but "heard" it is just a 1/3 of what you pay for the energy you use/pay to them per KW.
If thats the case, well, then you need fotovoltaik cells producing 3 times the energy amount of what you can use in your house, to not get a bill to pay to CEP at the end of the day.
But investing in a fotovoltaik system 3 times bigger than what you really need/consume at your place, is a way too high investment to make it worth to even think about solar power at such place then.
Reilleyp,
yes, that's what i so far do, no connection to the CEP power grid, what i produce is a good chunk more than what i consume, i have always 21.6KW stored in my batteries for cloudy times/night time etc, what my solar panels would produce on top of that goes unused puff in the air, but nobody can charge me for that, YET.
When i started to build the lil Ranch here, it was meant to be our weekend hangout place with some animals around and by that time (still the case, but changing as we speak) anyways CEPM had no power lines up here at our campo, so solar power was the only way to get electricity, hence you find solar panels all around the area.
NOW, since earlier this year 2023, CEPM is coming around and questions neighbours if they would be willing to connect to their power grid, if they would bring up a power line out here.
Due that sh.it show going on in Bavaro(same CEPM Company as the power provider),I will so far completely refuse to get not even a basic power connection with them on my property, nor will i allow them to cross my property with their future/planned power lines.
But who knows what new regulations will come out in the future for that thing, we shall see.
As my girls decided they want to def move on the Finca and give up the Condo in Bavaro, electricity here is more important to me, as we live full time here.
Hence I just recently did some upgrades, including more batteries for elec storage and just in case it would be needed, a new bigger power generator that allows me to recharge my batteries and run the pump of the well by generator, too.
So far it was not necessary to use the generator, but you never know what could happen in the future, no system is bullet prooved to failures/damages, so i try to prepare as good as possible.
But to do a contract with the soon (CEPM words, could mean in 3 months or in 20 years, lol)to come power grid to our valley, is for me at this point completely out of question, and they need to use the other side of the road for their electricity poles, as i will not allow them along my long street front. (it is stretchy, they can not put them on the public ground of the street without making the tiny dirt road a super tiny one lane track then).
Time will show what will come up there.
If this country/government wants people to go to "green" energies, to assist the country wide overrun power grids, then they need to make such assistance lucrative.
Btw, the lady on the video/interview, Suzanne, I know here in person since somewhere 15 or even more years, maybe 20 already.
I did never speak to her about this theme, as we did not meet since before the pandemic, so when i opened the video i was surprised to see a familiar face.
Mike,
Thank you for your informative and intelligent post #11-13-14

These posts illustrate the difficulty living in the DR.
A lot of money and innovation is needed to have a close to normal life here.

What makes life hard is the absence of most basic infrastructure, electricity and water.
Many of us have pumps to supply water, the pumps need electricity.
Mike had to dig a 400 ft well for water independency.

In advanced countries governments encourage carbon neutrality and renewable energy sources.
Rebates are given for installation of such systems including solar panels.
Solar panels are a good solution in the DR, and should be encouraged by government.
To allow CEPM to putatively charge solar panel use should be outlawed.

Government incompetence and the lack of basic infrastructure has tempered my love for the DR.
We have one life and I do not foresee meaningful change for my life in the DR.
The DR needs to move foreward in a meaningful way to make life livable for its citizens and to attract foreign investment.
Foreigners who moved to the DR to live and start businesses moved significant money into the DR tax revenues and economy.

I fear that the generation of foreign investors is aging and I do not see much new blood coming in.
With maybe the exception of foreign AI hotel development in PUJ.
Private investors and cooperations want to see hope for growth and improvement.
 

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So there is a power distribution company in the DR even worse than the EDE's and they are called CEPM.

Good to know.
 
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So there is a power distribution company in the DR even worse than the EDE's and they are called CEPM.

Good to know.
Hi Windy,
I know you are invested in the DR and love it.
Yet I have noticed frequent sarcasm in your posts, possibly indicating that you have given up hope seeing the realities.
Yet your love may still be intact, good on you.