China Wants To Improve It's Vaccine Before Giving To Chinese

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This probably needs to be moved to Problems with Vaccines Past and Present.

That having been said, China that initially denied they were the location where the virus was first discovered in animals, then tried to downplay it and then told the WHO there was no evidence of animal to human transmission, and then when courageous whistle blowers sounded the alarm they silenced its internal critics, then in a worldwide public relations move suddenly developed multiple vaccines that they rolled out to the rest of the world.................yet are reluctant to give it to their own population first.

In a nutshell, that should be all one needs to know to make an informed decision about getting/taking the Chinese versions until they have been thoroughly vetted. Unfortunately for some, common sense tends to take a back seat to panic. or those who subscribe to.......................the best vaccine you can get...........is the one you can get lol.



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johne

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Whoops! Guess the Chinese don't follow the adage: "Put you money where your mouth is". More like "NIMBY".
 

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This probably needs to be moved to Problems with Vaccines Past and Present.

That having been said, China that initially denied they were the location where the virus was first discovered in animals, then tried to downplay it and then told the WHO there was no evidence of animal to human transmission, and then when courageous whistle blowers sounded the alarm they silenced its internal critics, then in a worldwide public relations move suddenly developed multiple vaccines that they rolled out to the rest of the world.................yet are reluctant to give it to their own population first.

In a nutshell, that should be all one needs to know to make an informed decision about getting/taking the Chinese versions until they have been thoroughly vetted. Unfortunately for some, common sense tends to take a back seat to panic. or those who subscribe to.......................the best vaccine you can get...........is the one you can get lol.



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The fact is none of them have been thoroughly vetted. All were rushed into emergency use.
 
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This probably needs to be moved to Problems with Vaccines Past and Present.

That having been said, China that initially denied they were the location where the virus was first discovered in animals, then tried to downplay it and then told the WHO there was no evidence of animal to human transmission, and then when courageous whistle blowers sounded the alarm they silenced its internal critics, then in a worldwide public relations move suddenly developed multiple vaccines that they rolled out to the rest of the world.................yet are reluctant to give it to their own population first.



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"As of April 2, some 34 million people in China have received both of the two doses required for Chinese vaccines and about 65 million received one, according to Gao."

 

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What is better than No protection or Sinovac? Even at the low end of 50%. And no mention of hospitalization or deaths.
 
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Im not for any of the vaccines. When the time comes and I need it for travel Im hoping for something other than these china choices. My choices in order are moderna, pyzir, johnson and johnson, astra zeneca and then these other ones unless something better comes up in the meantime.
 
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Lobo Tropical

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This probably needs to be moved to Problems with Vaccines Past and Present.

That having been said, China that initially denied they were the location where the virus was first discovered in animals, then tried to downplay it and then told the WHO there was no evidence of animal to human transmission, and then when courageous whistle blowers sounded the alarm they silenced its internal critics, then in a worldwide public relations move suddenly developed multiple vaccines that they rolled out to the rest of the world.................yet are reluctant to give it to their own population first.

In a nutshell, that should be all one needs to know to make an informed decision about getting/taking the Chinese versions until they have been thoroughly vetted. Unfortunately for some, common sense tends to take a back seat to panic. or those who subscribe to.......................the best vaccine you can get...........is the one you can get lol.



Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Here you can see how the DR fares with:
Duke Global Health Innovation Center - COPYRIGHT 2020 DUKE UNIVERSITY


See our COVID Vaccine Procurement research

See our COVID Vaccine Manufacturing research


Current models predict that there will not be enough vaccines to cover the world's population until 2023 or 2024. Manufacturing capacity can be expanded with targeted investment but only to an extent and it will remain a rate limiter. See our COVID manufacturing data here: https://launchandscalefaster.org/covid-19/vaccinemanufacturing.

15.4 BILLION DOSES RESERVED​

Despite this public commitment to equity, individual countries are incentivized to purchase as many vaccine doses (and from as wide a pool of candidates) as possible in order to increase their chances of covering their population. So far, confirmed purchases cover 8.8 billion doses, with another 6.6 billion doses currently under negotiation or reserved as optional expansions of existing deals.

HIGH-INCOME COUNTRIES ARE HEDGING THEIR BETS WHILE LOW-INCOME COUNTRIES ARE LEFT OUT​

These direct deals made by high-income (and some middle-income) countries result in a smaller piece of the pie available for equitable global allocation. This pattern results in a majority of vaccines going to high-income countries and fewer doses available for low- and middle-income countries and for equity-focused partnerships like COVAX.


While this makes sense from the perspective of an individual country, it leads to deep inequities in terms of global allocation. While some middle- and lower-middle income countries are represented here with direct deals, none of them have enough to vaccinate their entire populations. At the same time, Canada has purchased enough to vaccinate its population five times over. (Again, it is important to remember that not all of these vaccines will necessarily receive approval and move to market.)

CEPI, one of the COVAX founding partners, is negotiating with self-financing countries to ensure that, once a certain percentage of their population has been vaccinated, a percentage of the doses secured through bilateral deals would be shared through the COVAX Facility. These negotiations are ongoing; however, high-income countries have little incentive to share from their advance purchase stock.


The first purchases were made by the US and the UK, in May 2020, of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine. These were quickly followed by a slate of purchases by high-income and some middle-income countries and, by the end of summer 2020, the UK, EU countries, and Canada had purchased enough doses through advance market commitments to cover more than their entire populations. The first purchases for low-income countries came in January 2021, through the African Union’s pooled procurement approach. Many countries in Latin America, Africa, and Asia still have not yet been able to purchase enough vaccine.


VACCINE MAKERS PROJECT A GLOBAL TOTAL OF 12 BILLION DOSES OF COVID-19 VACCINE IN 2021​

Our analysis of 2021 projections from Covid-19 vaccine makers indicates that more than 12 billion doses could be produced this year. It is important to remember that this total is a sum of projections from vaccine developers and may include optimistic assumptions.

Assuming the market is primarily 2-dose vaccines (Janssen and CanSino are the only 1-dose vaccines currently on the market), about 11 billion doses are needed to vaccinate 70 percent of the world’s population. This is frequently seen as the threshold to approach herd immunity, the level of vaccination coverage that limits spread and protects those who are unable to be vaccinated from infection.



PRODUCTION CAPACITY FOR 2021 VARIES WIDELY AMONG VACCINES AND VACCINE PLATFORMS​

To meet the global total of more than 12 billion doses projected in 2021, production will need to increase on a scale we have not seen before. The capacity expansion is not evenly spread across vaccine makers, though. The 2021 supply will be dominated by Oxford-AstraZeneca, Pfizer-BioNTech, and Novavax (which is still awaiting regulatory review).




Brasil, México y Colombia, los países que recibirán más vacunas del programa Covax

«Hay más de 100 países que no han aplicado ni una sola vacuna», reclama México ante la ONU​

 

SKY

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Bottom line with the worst results of Sinovac you are twice likely to get Covid WITHOUT any vaccine. And the best result was said to be 4 times likely to get Covid WITHOUT. Don't need a calculus degree to figure that one out..............................................Not to mention hospitalization or death.
 

Lobo Tropical

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Bottom line with the worst results of Sinovac you are twice likely to get Covid WITHOUT any vaccine. And the best result was said to be 4 times likely to get Covid WITHOUT. Don't need a calculus degree to figure that one out..............................................Not to mention hospitalization or death.
As demonstrated:
US - 561,973 deaths

China - 4,843 deaths

If one is inclined to believe JHU

I also remember the quick response of China and building of hospitals.
Yes China is a dictatorship with controlled information, yet the numbers speak for themselves.
They are a competent rival on the world stage, obviously doing some thing right and capable.
In politics and economy there are no friends ,alliances always questionable and marginal- as self interest trumps all as seen in history.

China Population (LIVE)​

1,443,670,438 and just one more
 

Ken

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I think the government was wise to increase the time between doses from 2 weeks to one month.

I didn't get the vaccine because sinovac is the best. I knew from the start it wasn't. But it was my only choice and I am one those who think some protection is better than none, especially if it reduces my chances of dying or going on a breathing machine. When I visit the US this summer, I will get something else. But I might not go to the US if I hadn't gotten something.
 
Jan 9, 2004
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The fact is none of them have been thoroughly vetted. All were rushed into emergency use.

And that is exactly why so many people have so far declined the vaccine.....they were rushed into emergency use without being thoroughly vetted.

Of course, then the “you won’t be able to fly without a vaccine passport” crowd further added more disinformation to an already panic stricken population.....and so you have people who lined up to take whatever vaccine they could get.....totally convinced “the best vaccine you can get.....is the one you can get.”

As to the Chinese vaccines themselves, only fools and or people who are in panic and therefore easily convinced, would even consider/trust any of the Chinese vaccines and their claims without proper vetting.

And it seems we have a lot of panicked people.....and perhaps a few who are just plain foolish.

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