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Hi everyone,
My name is Cody Sandzimier and I have a question I'm hoping some of you might be able to help me with. I am just about to finish my second year in obtaining my Doctorate in Chiropractic care. This upcoming January I will be going on a Chiropractic Mission trip to the DR and Haiti with a large group of students. There will be about 15 students attending from my school (Los Angeles College of Chiropractic) and about 60 Students in total. We will be in Haiti from Dec 30-Jan 2, and then DR from Jan 2-Jan 6th. What we do is we all head down there as a group with our protable tables in hand and just start treating. We see about 150 patients, per student, per day. So doing the math you can see that we see literally thousands of people over the course of our trip. We are going with a 501(c)3 non-profit organization

My question is, what do you think is the best way to approach Dominicans or Haitians as far as raising funds/donating? We aren't trying to make money off of this or anything, just trying to cover our costs because we are finiancially strapped students because of our crazy inflated tuition, as well as raise money for the people down there to donate. We created a website (posted below) for people to go donate too but it has gotten like zero traffic. Any thoughts or suggestions?
 
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Hi everyone,
My name is Cody Sandzimier and I have a question I'm hoping some of you might be able to help me with. I am just about to finish my second year in obtaining my Doctorate in Chiropractic care. This upcoming January I will be going on a Chiropractic Mission trip to the DR and Haiti with a large group of students. There will be about 15 students attending from my school (Los Angeles College of Chiropractic) and about 60 Students in total. We will be in Haiti from Dec 30-Jan 2, and then DR from Jan 2-Jan 6th. What we do is we all head down there as a group with our protable tables in hand and just start treating. We see about 150 patients, per student, per day. So doing the math you can see that we see literally thousands of people over the course of our trip. We are going with a 501(c)3 non-profit organization

My question is, what do you think is the best way to approach Dominicans or Haitians as far as raising funds/donating? We aren't trying to make money off of this or anything, just trying to cover our costs because we are finiancially strapped students because of our crazy inflated tuition, as well as raise money for the people down there to donate. We created a website (posted below) for people to go donate too but it has gotten like zero traffic. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Contact AZB, he's on this forum and is also a chiropractor

http://www.dr1.com/forums/members/azb.html

Click link above and send him a pm
 
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Seriously ???

You are coming down here on a missions trip. with a 501c3. NON PROFIT.
Why are you coming ? Experience, adventure or to help someone ?
The people you are coming to adjust - need their necks and backs adjusted, not their wallets ! They barely have enough money to eat everyday -- as you can tell, I'm alittle shocked by your post.
You are saying you are financially strapped as a student - that is most likely true from a North American standpoint -- but my friend, you don't know what financially strapped is until you see and understand how many of your upcoming patients live daily.
Please --- share your talent with people here, free. Don't try to "manipulate" anything but their backs.
 
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My advise to you would be to approach the alumni association at your school and try to get them to put the word out among the members. They would be in a lot better position to help you fund your mission. Good luck!
 

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Non-profit is non-profit. Those people are poor as church mice. You're supposed to raise money at home for this trip, not abroad.
 

zoomzx11

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The DR is where you go to spend money, not make it. You will have a time getting the Doms to even lie on the table. Poor un-educated Dominicans will not have a clue about chiropractic treatments. If they have pains they smell Vicks Vaparoo and rub camphor on themselves. Just come on down and enjoy the country, you will love it here.
 

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Do I have this right?

You want to solicit money to help cover your expenses....from the patients you will be treating in third world countries, one of which is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere?

What specifically would you like the money for? Extra snacks at the airport? Your lab coat or shoes?

Most of the people you treat live off of less than $2 per day. Right now, starting TODAY, I want you to...for a week, live off of $2 per day. The come back here and ask that question again.

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Free is free. Voluntary is voluntary. I paid my way(full price) and my rooming(discounted for the large number of rooms the volunteers reserved- also shared rooms) for every disaster relief project I've ever worked on abroad. The food was free as it was donated in the US and prepared by other volunteers and willing locals.
 

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Hi everyone,
My name is Cody Sandzimier and I have a question I'm hoping some of you might be able to help me with. I am just about to finish my second year in obtaining my Doctorate in Chiropractic care. This upcoming January I will be going on a Chiropractic Mission trip to the DR and Haiti with a large group of students. There will be about 15 students attending from my school (Los Angeles College of Chiropractic) and about 60 Students in total. We will be in Haiti from Dec 30-Jan 2, and then DR from Jan 2-Jan 6th. What we do is we all head down there as a group with our protable tables in hand and just start treating. We see about 150 patients, per student, per day. So doing the math you can see that we see literally thousands of people over the course of our trip. We are going with a 501(c)3 non-profit organization

My question is, what do you think is the best way to approach Dominicans or Haitians as far as raising funds/donating? We aren't trying to make money off of this or anything, just trying to cover our costs because we are finiancially strapped students because of our crazy inflated tuition, as well as raise money for the people down there to donate. We created a website (posted below) for people to go donate too but it has gotten like zero traffic. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Forget about raising money in either country. When you do a trip with a non-profit it is out of the goodness of your heart, if you can't afford to go, don't go. 150 patients a day is way too many.
 

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Actually the last thing people in Haiti need is a Chiropractor. Their needs are much more along the lines of a "Physician". One that is trained and skilled in diagnosing and treating a wide spectrum of disease's and conditions. They already have voo-doo doctors. A chiropractor is a luxury along the lines and similar to a massage.
Go over the boarder and you will understand.
 

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Actually the last thing people in Haiti need is a Chiropractor. Their needs are much more along the lines of a "Physician". One that is trained and skilled in diagnosing and treating a wide spectrum of disease's and conditions. They already have voo-doo doctors. A chiropractor is a luxury along the lines and similar to a massage.
Go over the boarder and you will understand.
you're wrong with that. first of all, yea... physicians would be great, but you take what you can get. given the choice of some help or no help... I guess some help is better. secondly, chiro care is VERY effective for SOME musculoskeletal problems, along with spinal nerve problems resulting from that. I don't buy into some of the claims by some of the old-school chiropractors that they can cure everything from a hangnail to the common cold... but it does fix a number of other VERY REAL problems.
 

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you're wrong with that. first of all, yea... physicians would be great, but you take what you can get. given the choice of some help or no help... I guess some help is better. secondly, chiro care is VERY effective for SOME musculoskeletal problems, along with spinal nerve problems resulting from that. I don't buy into some of the claims by some of the old-school chiropractors that they can cure everything from a hangnail to the common cold... but it does fix a number of other VERY REAL problems.
Scam !!! Lets be clear. Sick people need medical care. Not bogus "muscle skeletal manipulation". To advocate anything other than bona fide medical care from a trained "Physician" is a disservice to anyone anywhere. A Chiropractor is in no way equipped with the knowledge to treat or diagnose complex medical problems. To encourage their ideology on sick and under privileged people amounts to taking advantage of them so they can further their resume.
They are better off throwing down some bones and tea leaves and dancing ,than to put their health and trust in someone who cant treat a sore throat.
 

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Scam !!! Lets be clear. Sick people need medical care. Not bogus "muscle skeletal manipulation". To advocate anything other than bona fide medical care from a trained "Physician" is a disservice to anyone anywhere. A Chiropractor is in no way equipped with the knowledge to treat or diagnose complex medical problems. To encourage their ideology on sick and under privileged people amounts to taking advantage of them so they can further their resume.
They are better off throwing down some bones and tea leaves and dancing ,than to put their health and trust in someone who cant treat a sore throat.
And what are your qualifications to make this judgemental call against Chiropractosr?. I have used a number of Chiropractors over the past 30 years, with very good sucess at relieving my neck/shoulder issues. Many more know more about diseases and medical practises that many MDs. MDs can prescride medicines but are very poor at diagnosing muscle and joint issues. Of course there are quacks in every field.
 

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Scam !!! Lets be clear. Sick people need medical care. Not bogus "muscle skeletal manipulation". To advocate anything other than bona fide medical care from a trained "Physician" is a disservice to anyone anywhere. A Chiropractor is in no way equipped with the knowledge to treat or diagnose complex medical problems. To encourage their ideology on sick and under privileged people amounts to taking advantage of them so they can further their resume.
They are better off throwing down some bones and tea leaves and dancing ,than to put their health and trust in someone who cant treat a sore throat.

I don't remember seeing any claims by the O.P. that he or any of the Chiros could cure ANYTHING. They just want to help to the extent that they can. IF they offer their services FREE OF CHARGE, (a whole different topic), I don't see the down side. Even if they only help one person... or even if they can't help anyone, (HIGHLY unlikely), what's the harm of them trying??? BUT, I'm certain there must be some people suffering with unnecessary pain which can be alleviated.

OK.. so you say they need physicians. I'm certain that they do. Do you know any M.D.'s that you can get to go volunteer in place of the O.P. and his crew???? OR... in lieu of that... how about YOU pay for their services, travel, and lodging. OH .... you don't want to do that... (not surprising)... BUT YET, you want to deprive them of what is offered???? Interesting logic.
 

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Scam !!! Lets be clear. Sick people need medical care. Not bogus "muscle skeletal manipulation". To advocate anything other than bona fide medical care from a trained "Physician" is a disservice to anyone anywhere. A Chiropractor is in no way equipped with the knowledge to treat or diagnose complex medical problems. To encourage their ideology on sick and under privileged people amounts to taking advantage of them so they can further their resume.
They are better off throwing down some bones and tea leaves and dancing ,than to put their health and trust in someone who cant treat a sore throat.
I 100% disagree.

A nasty neck injury ended my football career ('76). I had serious neck pain, couldn't hold my head up and both my arms were weakened, left much worse than right. I had to hold my left arm up to prevent more pain...with my head crooked over to the left.

The team MD's wanted to do a neck fusion and whack two discs. My uncle was an Orthopod and told me what my physical future might be if I took that route, and it wasn't pretty. I opted not to have the surgery and the team opted not to have me because of that.

It took two months for the inflammation to go down to where I could hold myself semi-normal and be able to semi-exist with pain management. I got referred to an "old school" chiropractor/kinesiologist in Tampa by my old college team trainer and started therapy and PT. Lots of it.

It took a year but I became 100% normal again. For the next 6-8 years I'd have an "episode" and have to have a couple of treatments and some PT and BAM, problem gone. It took 12 full years before I could lift heavy weights in the gym (I also learned how NOT to put pressure on my head/neck on bench presses.)

It's been years since I've had a neck problem, almost like it never happened. If I had gone the surgery route no doubt I'd be having significant residual problems today.

Chiropractic definitely has it's niche. I'm not sure it's for major medical problems (my old guy would refer bad cases to an MD for surgery when necessary) but is effective for many issues. Pinched nerves can cause organic problems downstream and chiropractic can help with the pinched nerves.

That said, WTF does the OP expect to accomplish in Haiti, and exactly WHO does she expect to pay her?
 

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FWIW, an osteopathic physician D.O.) has the same training as an MD and also learns many chiropractic theories and techniques.

My old healthcare company worked with numerous D.O.'s who were just as well read and trained as any MD. AND they tend to be a tad more holistic* in the process.

Now THAT makes sense.







*I hate using that word. In context I mean "whole body" but out of context many think I mean crystals, homeopathic stuff and weird chants...;)
 

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I reiterate. The people of Haiti are entitled to and deserve the same level of health care that anyone is. Health care provided by a "real" Physician that attended a "real" medical school. Not a chiropractor an acupuncturist or an astrology expert. What next, you want to advocate an "aroma therapist" or exorcist practitioner. Medical care especially for the folks of Haiti begins with a Physician. If later they want to seek the luxury of a chiropractor o.k. But to masquerade there as providing a Medical service as a chiropractor to undereducated people is to take advantage.
Oh ,and Bob S. a rub down in Sosua for 30 years hardly equates to Medical treatment.
 

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I reiterate. The people of Haiti are entitled to and deserve the same level of health care that anyone is. Health care provided by a "real" Physician that attended a "real" medical school. Not a chiropractor an acupuncturist or an astrology expert. What next, you want to advocate an "aroma therapist" or exorcist practitioner. Medical care especially for the folks of Haiti begins with a Physician. If later they want to seek the luxury of a chiropractor o.k. But to masquerade there as providing a Medical service as a chiropractor to undereducated people is to take advantage.
Oh ,and Bob S. a rub down in Sosua for 30 years hardly equates to Medical treatment.
F--k you and the horse you rode in to town on. I have had four shoulder operations and have arthritis in my neck, and have seen orothopedic surgeons, physiotherapists, massage therapists, chiroprators and numerous other specialists for treatment. Chiro works best for me. They are coming to provide Chiropratic services , not cure AIDS. Not that I have anything against it, but you must have me confused with someone else as I am far removed from Sosua, and if you've ever had a full body massage like I had in China you wouls say it was medical treatment.
 

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Why do I get the feeling the "OP" will never be heard from again???
He didn't pass the "DR1 Sniff Test" that's why!
If a post stinks as bad as his, we ain't havin' None of it!
I however will be traveling to Santo Domingo on Nov. 30th.
I am acepting "Donations" to the Cris Colon home for "Unwed Mamis".
And/or, "Soon" to be unwed "Mamis".
if you wold like to make a "Donation" please contact me at "Casa Teresa", or "Manolo's", or "Casa Modelo".
You can usually find me at one, or more, of those "Homes" most nights after 1 am.
I,m the one with the huge grin on my face!
"God Bless You All"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"RS", I have had some Extaordinary Full Body Massages while living in Thailand!
The sure do beat the hell out of ANY traditional medical treatments I have ever had!
They always leave me "Completely Drained"!