Codetel throttling

ExtremeR

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Robert, thats amazing.

I was thinking about how this throttling works - I think they are likely throttling by format, eg flash video format, rather than by site - I've seen a lot of video sites are extremely slow.

Can you tell us more about how you managed to get this fixed within codetel?

With the equipment that I work and sell, NetEnforcers from Allot Communications, we can segment and throttle the traffic all the way to layer 7, that means we can even control the bandwidth each applicacion is using, for example if I send a large email (with an .mp3 attached) using Outlook and that email goes through the equipment, I can throttle or control the speed of the email that is being sent to not clog up other traffic as well.

You have the option to control it by IP, the protocol of the data (UDP, ICMP, FTP, Telnet and HTTP), Ports (port 25 is what an email server would use)

You mention that you find Flash sites quite slow, they just have to identify the protocol that Flash videos use for streaming which is RTSP, then segment the traffic in their backbones that uses such protocol and proceed to control it, or how we call it better: throttle it. That way every site that has a flash movie or video will be slowed down to their will.

I have the knowledge that Codetel has Allot NetEnforcer and Packeteer equipments, both do the same but Packeteer is way more complicated, so they are moving all their QoS equipment to Allot.

We sold Tricom Allot equipments and for all I know they only throttle P2P for home users in weekdays only in worktime (9-5) so business users have priority in their backbones.
 

ExtremeR

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Glad that you appreciated guys.

Take a look at this page: Allot Net Enforcer Enterprise network and application performance management

These equipments are quite useful for business that have several links to branches like banks, these links normally are really slow due to cost (Frame relay or Conectividad Virtual can be quite costly) and those business need to prioritize the traffic that belongs to the core application by reducing other traffic not so important at the time.
 

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Glad that you appreciated guys.

Take a look at this page: Allot Net Enforcer Enterprise network and application performance management

These equipments are quite useful for business that have several links to branches like banks, these links normally are really slow due to cost (Frame relay or Conectividad Virtual can be quite costly) and those business need to prioritize the traffic that belongs to the core application by reducing other traffic not so important at the time.

Can you provide a price range for a bandwidth shaper of 45Mbps, 154 Mbps or 300 Mbps or a 1.2 Gbps?
Just to have an idea!

It's funny, but I checked 5 Codetel Internet connection, plus the 3 provided from PlantaFull, Adrian and NotLurking. If you notice they are using different outgoing routers and then they join together in the same destination AT&T in Miami (12.89.57.14). For some reason or another some other trace point to NTT.
Global IP Network TOP | NTT Communications ntt.net
NTT is selling traffic analysis for carriers.
For all, Allot and Packetters are in layer 1 -7, they will not show in a trace router.

Now, again I must point out that Codetel could be doing it or have done it before. Reasons could be (obvious), bandwidth limitations. But today they have more than enough capacity ( Like Tricom has a new 300 Mbps ) that for them it should be enough but not for Codetel. Some other carrier have 45 Mbps and 150 Mbps. My understanding is Codetel now has 1.2 Gbps. Now another important factor is Worm or other that could affect the local sector connection like adrian area. In this case they must do something, or something is done automatically.
Maintaining bandwidth shapers is expensive.

FYI, it would cost nothing to re route packets to youtube.com and all their subnet into a very unstable or slow router.

But this is all a guess!
 

Ladybird

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Can anybody explain a bit about this throttle thing.
I have internet through Delancer cable in Sosua, and recently upgraded the speed to 1mb. The speedtest the want me to use
Comcast-SA Internet & VoIP over CATV - Home
shows me that I get that, but still have some problems watching television and videos without buffering. In fact I haven't noticed any improvement at all from when I paid for 512 KB.

Comcast SA here is nothing to do with Comcast US as many people think. They are just using the name. They still use codetel's line. Check your speed here. Check it periodically throughout the day, especially during the busy day periods and you will see they know all the tricks about throttling

Speedtest.net - The Global Broadband Speed Test
 

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Comcast SA here is nothing to do with Comcast US as many people think. They are just using the name. They still use codetel's line. Check your speed here. Check it periodically throughout the day, especially during the busy day periods and you will see they know all the tricks about throttling

Speedtest.net - The Global Broadband Speed Test

Ladybird, last I know you are in POP. Comcast S.A. is not listed in INDOTEL. Do they have another name?
Do they provide Cable and Internet service?

Check the invoice and see how they are billing you.
 

Adrian Bye

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Just a quick update in case this is useful for anyone else (not throttling related)-

I've been seeing my codetel flash internet disconnecting 5-10 times per day - or sometimes not at all. I've filed 5 support tickets over 2 months with no success, largely due to Codetel's incredibly poor support system.

I noticed just the other day that when the internet disconnects, that there was static on the line - and I even heard part of someone's phonecall. I had not noticed any static on the phone before.

It appears my primary codetel issue may have been caused by an intermittent crossed line - very hard to detect under normal circumstances, and basically impossible with the poor quality support codetel provides.

I called one of the techs I know at codetel and told him about it, and within a few hours, our line was changed (codetel responsive?? amazing!). It appears that it may have solved the problem, although I won't know for a week since the issue is intermittent.

Just as an FYI in case any of the rest of you have a similar problem with your internet.
 

Adrian Bye

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Just got tricom installed. Youtube is FAST now, I've never seen it buffer so quickly! Ping time seems similar to codetel:

4 200.42.213.161 (200.42.213.161) 102.618 ms 83.094 ms 64.250 ms
5 t3-13-11-nmi-edge03.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.20.157) 106.461 ms 50.147 ms 79.371 ms
6 ge-2-0-1-nmi-core02.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.5.16) 60.859 ms 109.535 ms 65.270 ms
7 s-1-0-0-nam-core02.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.5.68) 140.005 ms 56.104 ms 54.340 ms
8 ge-0-2-0-nam-core02-ce.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.47.50) 46.102 ms 48.546 ms 44.407 ms
9 ge-0-3-2-p198.pat2.sjc.yahoo.com (216.115.96.22) 88.904 ms 77.115 ms 82.486 ms
10 ae1-p140.msr1.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.17) 72.742 ms ae1-p150.msr2.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.21) 117.751 ms 66.589 ms
11 te-8-3.bas-a2.re4.yahoo.com (216.39.49.5) 72.193 ms te-9-3.bas-a1.re4.yahoo.com (216.39.49.3) 78.664 ms te-8-3.bas-a1.re4.yahoo.com (216.39.49.1) 72.475 ms

My disconnecting problems unfortunately remain unsolved with codetel, so I will run all this week on tricom and see how it performs.
 

CFA123

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Perhaps for comparison of diff't services & download times for youtube....

YouTube - The Bartender Says...

Cabarete 1.5mb Codetel DSL... video is about 39-40 seconds into playtime when download is completed. Download far outpaces play time, so no mid-video buffering. Speedtests consistently show 1500+ download & about 620 upload.
 

Adrian Bye

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Good test CFA123.

I just tested that video on my santo domingo codetel 5Mbs connection, and it reached the end of the video when the player got to 1:34 (its 1:37 long). Additionally, it had to buffer twice during the playback. What is interesting about this is that my connection is supposed to be 3X faster than yours and yours finished loading at 40 seconds. Overall my connection is nice and fast though.
 

Adrian Bye

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Santo Domingo Tricom 2Mbs connection: this reached the full load after 0:42.

Speed test: 1517 KPS down, 622 up
 

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Perhaps for comparison of diff't services & download times for youtube....

YouTube - The Bartender Says...

Cabarete 1.5mb Codetel DSL... video is about 39-40 seconds into playtime when download is completed. Download far outpaces play time, so no mid-video buffering. Speedtests consistently show 1500+ download & about 620 upload.

Video is about 49 second into playtime when D/L is completed.

VIPLUS Flash 1m/128k (Santo Domingo)

NotLurking
 

Adrian Bye

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(reposting; mods can you delete my first message above)

Good test CFA123.

Lets use this test for the bandwidth:

Speakeasy - Speed Test

Use the NYC test server

Santo Domingo Codetel 5Mbs connectioN

It reached the end of the video when the player got to 1:34 (its 1:37 long). Additionally, it had to buffer twice during the playback.

Interestingly, for the speed test I am seeing:
665kps down and 704 up. This is for a 5mbs connection! But I have previously tested it and it normally registers to 6000kps.. So there is definitely something weird here.
 

CFA123

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1.5mb Codetel DSL Cabarete

to NYC 1570/567
Youtube 'test video' 40 seconds to complete download
 

Adrian Bye

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Robert: this is such useful data, maybe this internet connection testing section should be cleaned up and put into its own separate thread so future people can also test their connection against benchmarks from around the country.
 

NotLurking

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Sto. Dgo 1mps/128kps

Speakeasy Test NYC
Last Result:
Download Speed: 1096 kbps (137 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 137 kbps (17.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

Youtube 'test video' 52 seconds to complete download (3 seconds worst than before now)

NotLurking
 

Hillbilly

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In Santiago, not sure what connection I have but it took 40 secs to load.

I'll check the speed...
Compared to you guys, I am at snail speed: 795 up and 537 down...
HB
 

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Just got tricom installed. Youtube is FAST now, I've never seen it buffer so quickly! Ping time seems similar to codetel:

4 200.42.213.161 (200.42.213.161) 102.618 ms 83.094 ms 64.250 ms
5 t3-13-11-nmi-edge03.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.20.157) 106.461 ms 50.147 ms 79.371 ms
6 ge-2-0-1-nmi-core02.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.5.16) 60.859 ms 109.535 ms 65.270 ms
7 s-1-0-0-nam-core02.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.5.68) 140.005 ms 56.104 ms 54.340 ms
8 ge-0-2-0-nam-core02-ce.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.47.50) 46.102 ms 48.546 ms 44.407 ms
9 ge-0-3-2-p198.pat2.sjc.yahoo.com (216.115.96.22) 88.904 ms 77.115 ms 82.486 ms
10 ae1-p140.msr1.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.17) 72.742 ms ae1-p150.msr2.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.108.21) 117.751 ms 66.589 ms
11 te-8-3.bas-a2.re4.yahoo.com (216.39.49.5) 72.193 ms te-9-3.bas-a1.re4.yahoo.com (216.39.49.3) 78.664 ms te-8-3.bas-a1.re4.yahoo.com (216.39.49.1) 72.475 ms

My disconnecting problems unfortunately remain unsolved with codetel, so I will run all this week on tricom and see how it performs.

Adrian,

Notice you are in the new 300Mbps link with Tricom, it takes the path of New World Network ( Arcos ) the same as MrMike, WinTelecom. ( 63.245.47.50 ), You are going out/in via Puerto Plata.

Tested a remote Codetel DSL Line to NYC using Speakeasy ( 3218Down, 1002Up ), on a 3Mbps DSL line.
The Bartender video took 29 sec. It started shy at about 700Kbps, then Hit 4.0 Mbps for about 1 sec, and back down to 1Mbps for about 26 sec, NO THROTTLING, or bandwidth control here!, just a very unstable of saturated video server.