Come to the DR and get away From Covid19 and Protesters burning the cities down

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Oh I see.....then maybe that’s what you should have quoted instead of Bob’s post. 😂😂😂
Ok I see. Point won. However, Bob can fix his issue by.... Putting on his mask. All of the Freedom fighters can as well. I put mine on and my kids every single time before leaving the house.
 

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Maybe it would help if the expats would put on a mask. I assume John's freedom fighters allude to the very deserving, utra gringo rights community here in DR who feel they should be treated differently and laws here don't apply to them. John do I have that correct?
It is really a culture clash. I don't imagine someone saying "I am gringo, I have more rights".
They rather act and talk as if they were smarter then President Medina.
The regulation in force says "wear the mask". This should be enough. But apparently not for them. They say: mask yes, but only if... under the circumstances..., except then..., providing that....

They are coming from a toxic (and failed) culture of individualism and individual liberty, where the press even discusses the prostitutes of the president. They have no idea of collectivism, or of common responsibility. You can spot them by their language of abundant "Me, I, my, mine".

These are not the soldiers to win the war against COVID
 
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It is really a culture clash. I don't imagine someone saying "I am gringo, I have more rights".
They rather act and talk as if they were smarter then President Medina.
The regulation in force says "wear the mask". This should be enough. But apparently not for them. They say: mask yes, but only if... under the circumstances..., except then..., providing that....

They are coming from a toxic (and failed) culture of individualism and individual liberty, where the press even discusses the prostitutes of the president. They have no idea of collectivism, or of common responsibility. You can spot them by their language of abundant "Me, I, my, mine".

These are not the soldiers to win the war against COVID
OK Gulagmiester.
 

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It is really a culture clash. I don't imagine someone saying "I am gringo, I have more rights".
They rather act and talk as if they were smarter then President Medina.
The regulation in force says "wear the mask". This should be enough. But apparently not for them. They say: mask yes, but only if... under the circumstances..., except then..., providing that....

They are coming from a toxic (and failed) culture of individualism and individual liberty, where the press even discusses the prostitutes of the president. They have no idea of collectivism, or of common responsibility. You can spot them by their language of abundant "Me, I, my, mine".

These are not the soldiers to win the war against COVID
Yea, because the soldiers of socialism are doing so well. LOL. Me, I , mine were all favorite words of the Hope and Change guy. Collectivism has failed everywhere it has been tried. The collective farms in Israel worked for a time but they also became more successful when they changed to a more capitalist model. Common responsibility is not part of Collectivism, more a part of a good moral background or religious belief. I took civics in school ( no longer taught) and it certainly wasn't based on collectivism.
 
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It is really a culture clash. I don't imagine someone saying "I am gringo, I have more rights".
They rather act and talk as if they were smarter then President Medina.
The regulation in force says "wear the mask". This should be enough. But apparently not for them. They say: mask yes, but only if... under the circumstances..., except then..., providing that....

They are coming from a toxic (and failed) culture of individualism and individual liberty, where the press even discusses the prostitutes of the president. They have no idea of collectivism, or of common responsibility. You can spot them by their language of abundant "Me, I, my, mine".

These are not the soldiers to win the war against COVID
Well said. The human ego's compulsive use of me, my, mine, I. Its prime modality to survive, as well as an obsessive need to be right, which is the ultimate cause of physical violence, like wars.
 

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WARNING

One has to take a huge risk with their life to travel to DR at this time. And the same goes for expats who are living in DR. Even if the chances of getting Covid-19 is smaller in DR than United States, but there is always a chance to get it. If you get it then here is no hope of getting any competent treatment at DR hospitals, regardless of how rich you are. The reality is some expats who encourage others to travel to DR, they themselves are stuck in DR and have no means of going back and living in their countries of origin.
DR has some very respectable private hospitals. I'd be careful with the broad brush.
 

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CDC, WHO , Dr Fauci and all the other "experts" at least that's whats on the news
Your eyes also have mucus membranes. It won't hurt, but skeptical this would be effective in limiting transmission for the average person. Maybe if you're coming in contact with a large number of people like cashier. For medical staff, they should be using positive pressure PPE if covid is suspected.
 

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DR1 is a MAGICAL site. Think about this: One can make the simplest statement such as "I always forget my mask". Magic !! Here we can turn that into a couple of hundred posts by the time we use our magical cuisenart machine of slice, cut and dice on it. I love the magic, really. We are highly creative people with lots of time on our hands. Carryn on. :love:
 
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Yea, because the soldiers of socialism are doing so well. LOL. Me, I , mine were all favorite words of the Hope and Change guy. Collectivism has failed everywhere it has been tried. The collective farms in Israel worked for a time but they also became more successful when they changed to a more capitalist model. Common responsibility is not part of Collectivism, more a part of a good moral background or religious belief. I took civics in school ( no longer taught) and it certainly wasn't based on collectivism.
Bob, here you reminded me of the words from one of my favorite authors of all time. Let me know without Google if you can spot it. After I will qualify the quote with a citation.

"There are monstrous changes taking place in the world, forces shaping a future whose face we do not know. Some of these forces seem evil to us, perhaps not in themselves but because their tendency is to eliminate other things we hold good. It is true that two men can lift a bigger stone than one man. A group can build automobiles quicker and better than one man, and bread from a huge factory is cheaper and more uniform. When our food and clothing and housing all are born in the complication of mass production, mass method is bound to get into our thinking and to eliminate all other thinking. In our time mass or collective production has entered our economics, our politics, and even our religion, so that some nations have substituted the idea collective for the idea God. This in my time is the danger. There is great tension in the world, tension toward a breaking point, and men are unhappy and confused....

At such a time it seems natural and good to me to ask myself these questions. What do I believe in? What must I fight for and what must I fight against?

Our species is the only creative species, and it has only one creative instrument, the individual mind and spirit of a man. Nothing was ever created by two men. There are no good collaborations, whether in music, in art, in poetry, in mathematics, in philosophy. Once the miracle of creation has taken place, the group can build and extend it, but the group never invents anything. The preciousness lies in the lonely mind of a man.

And now the forces marshaled around the concept of the group have declared a war of extermination on the preciousness, the mind of man. By disparagement, by starvation, by repressions, forced direction, and the stunning hammerblows of conditioning, the free, roving mind is being pursued, roped, blunted, drugged. It is a sad suicidal course our species seems to have taken. And this I believe: that the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: the freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual. This is what I am and what I am about. I can understand why a system built on a pattern must try to destroy the free mind, for this is one thing which can by inspection destroy such a system. Surely I can understand this, and I hate it and I will fight against it to preserve the one thing that separates us from the uncreative beasts. If the glory can be killed, we are lost."
 

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Our species is the only creative species, and it has only one creative instrument, the individual mind and spirit of a man. Nothing was ever created by two men. There are no good collaborations, whether in music, in art, in poetry, in mathematics, in philosophy. Once the miracle of creation has taken place, the group can build and extend it, but the group never invents anything. The preciousness lies in the lonely mind of a man.
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Isn't it a bit radical to say "Nothing was ever created by two men"?
In the past many masterpieces of art and some inventions were a creation of a single man, tru. Bach was a genial musician working alone and so was Fleming, who invented penicillin.
Single man discoveries may happen too, even today, but each day less and less. This is because the world and the tasks became more complex.
Take corona vaccine: it will unlikly be an invention of one man. Only government sponsored teams have a chance here.
This not the world of Leonardo da Vinci any more. Once a programmer got an idea of how Windows operating system could look like, but to bring it to your desk a team of banks, investors and many other programmers was necessary.
Space flights? I'll spare the agrument here.

Bottom line: an idea is only a part of the final product, can also be copied or stolen, but if you think big think team.
 
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That's funny. Walking out the door she says (in Spanish)" keys honey, where is you mask?'". Ah! for the good old days when it was just "Keys"? Remember that? It was only 5 months ago.
After I just made that post I did't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
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Bob, here you reminded me of the words from one of my favorite authors of all time. Let me know without Google if you can spot it. After I will qualify the quote with a citation.

"There are monstrous changes taking place in the world, forces shaping a future whose face we do not know. Some of these forces seem evil to us, perhaps not in themselves but because their tendency is to eliminate other things we hold good. It is true that two men can lift a bigger stone than one man. A group can build automobiles quicker and better than one man, and bread from a huge factory is cheaper and more uniform. When our food and clothing and housing all are born in the complication of mass production, mass method is bound to get into our thinking and to eliminate all other thinking. In our time mass or collective production has entered our economics, our politics, and even our religion, so that some nations have substituted the idea collective for the idea God. This in my time is the danger. There is great tension in the world, tension toward a breaking point, and men are unhappy and confused....

At such a time it seems natural and good to me to ask myself these questions. What do I believe in? What must I fight for and what must I fight against?

Our species is the only creative species, and it has only one creative instrument, the individual mind and spirit of a man. Nothing was ever created by two men. There are no good collaborations, whether in music, in art, in poetry, in mathematics, in philosophy. Once the miracle of creation has taken place, the group can build and extend it, but the group never invents anything. The preciousness lies in the lonely mind of a man.

And now the forces marshaled around the concept of the group have declared a war of extermination on the preciousness, the mind of man. By disparagement, by starvation, by repressions, forced direction, and the stunning hammerblows of conditioning, the free, roving mind is being pursued, roped, blunted, drugged. It is a sad suicidal course our species seems to have taken. And this I believe: that the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: the freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual. This is what I am and what I am about. I can understand why a system built on a pattern must try to destroy the free mind, for this is one thing which can by inspection destroy such a system. Surely I can understand this, and I hate it and I will fight against it to preserve the one thing that separates us from the uncreative beasts. If the glory can be killed, we are lost."
Sorry I don't recognize the author, but I have heard the tenor of these words a number of times. My father was a strong proponent of individualism.