Coronavirus - In the DR

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An infant in Elias Pina died after a brujo told her family to drink turtle blood to cure covid
 

cavok

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Brujos, healthy hidroxiclorine consumers and exorcists.
well,
it show's there are things more dangerous than just a pandemic out there.
You do know that the Veterans Administration uses 42,000 doses of HCQ every day, right? It's a total joke calling this drug unsafe when it has been used for almost six decades by tens of millions of people.
 

lifeisgreat

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You do know that the Veterans Administration uses 42,000 doses of HCQ every day, right? It's a total joke calling this drug unsafe when it has been used for almost six decades by tens of millions of people.
Your forgetting the zinc must have zinc or totally useless.. or was it skittles hell I can’t remember pick one..
 
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cavok

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Medina's State of emergeny authorization expires June 1st I think. I've heard some rumors that he wants another 25 days, He'll have to make that request tomorrow if true. The Diputados have threatened not to give him anymore.
 

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Committee to Combat COVID-19 says it is necessary to extend a state of emergency

Amado Alejandro Báez, president of the Committee, stated that the strategies that have been effective must be continued

https://www.diariolibre.com/actualidad/ … OJ19102590

........"The general consensus of the Committee determined that, for the coming phases, we must continue working on strategies that have been proven effective: from physical distancing to public policies, which include curfews and extension of the state of emergencies," said Báez in an address that the Presidency released tonight......


Expect the President to seek an extension of emergency powers later today based upon medical advice. And then Senate and Congress debates.

It will then be interesting to see if any politicians decide to go against medical advice and risk an increase in cases and deaths before an election should curfew be lifted and social distancing be unenforceable.
 
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Cdn_Gringo

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7 days into phase 1 of the DR "de-escalation" of restrictions and the numbers of infected has risen to over 15,000 from 13,??? in the last three days. The level of testing in this country is woefully inadequate to get a real sense of how quickly the infection rate is rising and how far reaching geographically those increases are.

This is going to be a critical week. If we see the infection numbers continue to rise at this or at an expanding rate as we pass the 10 day mark, we'll just have to assume that we are well on our way to a major loss of control over the spread of CV19 in the DR. In such a scenario, we could yet see the all of the effects that the S.O.E. was meant to stave off.

Watch those daily numbers and double or triple them...
 

lifeisgreat

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7 days into phase 1 of the DR "de-escalation" of restrictions and the numbers of infected has risen to over 15,000 from 13,??? in the last three days. The level of testing in this country is woefully inadequate to get a real sense of how quickly the infection rate is rising and how far reaching geographically those increases are.

This is going to be a critical week. If we see the infection numbers continue to rise at this or at an expanding rate as we pass the 10 day mark, we'll just have to assume that we are well on our way to a major loss of control over the spread of CV19 in the DR. In such a scenario, we could yet see the all of the effects that the S.O.E. was meant to stave off.

Watch those daily numbers and double or triple them...
There lack of testing will hurt them in long run...you can open airports but if people don’t feel safe it won’t matter .. look at Mexico :(
 

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I am personally sure that he will request an other 25 days tomorrow
and of course the chambers will approve the request.
sure the 2nd chamber(opposition) will make it a political act to be against such barbaric action,
so they will cut the requested 25 days to approve 15 instead, but they will approve.
which opposition, one month before presi and congressional elections,
would want to be the ones to be blamed when numebrs rise in the 2 weeks after they denied the extention??
that would be their sudden death for the elections.
and we all know that the numbers will rise significantly, specially once all our new mingling will come into count.
I am sure he will request it for 25 days tomorrow afternoon and at the end of the line gets it approved for 2 weeks,
maybe til June 16th/17th, as June 17th the start for Phase 3 is sheduled.
 

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Mexico is not alone, look at Brazil. The leaders of both countries are basically disease deniers. I would hope that nonessential travelers will make the effort to research a trip before they book it, but without decent reporting, such travelers may not find the meaningful information that would be useful in making a prudent decision.

I'm more concerned right now with the people currently in the country. I'm not sure how much will there is within this lame-duck govt to make waves so close to the election. I'm also not convinced that the public (me included) has an accurate understanding of just how widespread the contagion is. Since the beginning of March the picture presented by the govt has been murky at best. I have to draw my conclusion based on the proclaimed ~2000 CV tests per day countrywide and that's not much to go on. I wish I knew more detail about the high level discussions underway regarding the beginning of phase 2 which is rapidly approaching.
 

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I am sure he will request it for 25 days tomorrow afternoon and at the end of the line gets it approved for 2 weeks,
maybe til June 16th/17th, as June 17th the start for Phase 3 is sheduled.

I would prefer a show of more leadership, predictability, stability and hopefully some resulting confidence and like to see the S.O.E. extended until the election rather than having to wonder about it every two weeks.
 

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Mexico is not alone, look at Brazil. The leaders of both countries are basically disease deniers. I would hope that nonessential travelers will make the effort to research a trip before they book it, but without decent reporting, such travelers may not find the meaningful information that would be useful in making a prudent decision.

I'm more concerned right now with the people currently in the country. I'm not sure how much will there is within this lame-duck govt to make waves so close to the election. I'm also not convinced that the public (me included) has an accurate understanding of just how widespread the contagion is. Since the beginning of March the picture presented by the govt has been murky at best. I have to draw my conclusion based on the proclaimed ~2000 CV tests per day countrywide and that's not much to go on. I wish I knew more detail about the high level discussions underway regarding the beginning of phase 2 which is rapidly approaching.
could you name a country where we have a exact picture about the spread of the virus due so many tests??
most people pass covid19 without signifcant symptoms, so in some araes of coutries very few tests may be done.
for example germany did at their peak times 350.000 tests per week, the maximum they could have done would have been 500.000 per week.
so totest the whole population would take what, 3 yers or so?
and thats a country well off with its health system, not leaking the money to pay for tests.
but the laboratories can onlybring up so many PCR Results at a time, thats where the whole testing thing gets limites.
to do a large nuber of quick tests does not bring much of such results, as many have to be done again and again.
doing more PCR is useless when you overload the laboratory testing capacities.
you would do tests and getthe rsults 10 days later, useless.
I am also calling for more tests here in DR, because we ony has some days with 2.000 tests, very most days been well belowthat, even below 1.000 per day.
but there is a limitas to how many PCR tests can be handled by the Laboratories per day, to bring resuts within a reasonable time frame.
the DR does what they can, but i guess thatthe 2.000-3.000 per day are somewhere near the limit of possibilities.
 

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I would prefer a show of more leadership, predictability, stability and hopefully some resulting confidence and like to see the S.O.E. extended until the election rather than having to wonder about it every two weeks.
a SOE is something serious and those extraordinary powers should not be given to any government for a too lengthy time at a time.
to do it in 15 days steps I see as a perefct suitable thing.
predicatbility and stability during a Unique Pandemic?
well, i don't answer that.
in case of Leadership, i don't see the DR on that point to be off worse than most other countries.
 

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There are no completely accurate numbers of infected being reported anywhere. That's the nature of after the fact testing of those with symptoms - with a representative sampling you are always a few weeks behind the virus . However, more testing can give a more accurate picture of what is happening in a population. A million tests per day would be more representative than 500,000 tests and a whole lot more reflective than just 2000. As the understanding of the spread of infection becomes more nebulous the more likely it is for a country to make policy mistakes that compound the problem needlessly.

If 2000 tests is the best the DR can do, that that's the best they can do. I don't personally believe that is the case but I also understand blissful ignorance when it comes to potentially deflecting accountability and the very real need to get to the place in time when this economy can begin to sponge up foreign currency again. I'm not sure if opening the tourist sector sooner and then having no one come is better than just waiting until the travel restrictions are lifted in the countries that provide the bulk of travelers for these businesses.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 

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I don't see any difference in a 30 stay extension of the S.O.E. than 2 fifteen day extensions or 3 ten day extensions.
 

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I agree that the headline case statistics are not useful for comparison. If you focus on severe/critical hospitalisation statistics you will have a better measure. And look at how many people on average died e.g last month vs. normal average from previous year.

DR should aim to maximise the amount of economic activity that doesn’t overwhelm their hospital system.

There are four main gaps between reported cases and actual cases:

  1. Insufficient testing: Countries that do not have the systems or capacity to test properly
  2. Yet to be reported cases: People who have the virus but are either: yet to show symptoms, yet to be tested, or had a test that showed a false negative
  3. Asymptomatic cases: Estimates are that around half of all people who get the virus will never show symptoms
  4. Deliberately under-reported: Some countries look to be deliberately under-reporting cases

The economic trade-off:
  1. Humanitarian. The bigger the shutdowns, the greater the preventative measures, the fewer people will die.
  2. Economic. The bigger the shutdowns, the greater the preventative measures, the more significant the economic impact will be.
So far I am happy with my decision to go against my home country advise, and turned down their offer to have a ferry flight out. I preferred to remain here, understanding that I have to face the consequences.

I agree with the decisions that the DR government has done so far, hospitals occupation and the number of deaths taken in consideration compared with many other countries.

But nobody knows how this will end. So far I am still enjoying my life in the DR, but hope the situation allows for more restrictions to be lifted soon.

I feel with those suffering, both financially and with illness/death.

Looking forward to enjoying everything DR has to offer again
 

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The reality is that here in RD nobody is aware if persons are dying because of the coronavirus, or if persons dying simply test positive for the corona virus.
Two separate and very different situations, which for whatever reason, most do not want to acknowledge.
They are not the same thing.
What is known after all this time, is that we are not seeing the same death tolls as elsewhere within the globe.
 
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