Coronavirus - In the DR

carlos

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Enough already.

infractions handed out and stop the inappropriate behavior.

get back on topic now....
 

windeguy

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Hola,

Does anyone know when they will actually announce when borders will be open and flights will commence?
Those are two VERY different things. The current schedule has airports allowed to open July 1.

The spokesperson for Aerodom airports has said there will be a phased reopening of their airports starting with those not based on tourism primarily, like Santo Domingo. Other touristic airports like Puerto Plata and Samana might not reopen for passenger flights until the end of 2020 or early next year. There have to be enough flights to make it financially worthwhile. Punta Cana as a different owner and will decide based upon their own criteria if they open the day the government allows it.

So as you can see, the government sets a date when flights are allowed and the businesses decide when to reopen airports.
 
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windeguy

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Very unlikely Danilo will be granted more State of Emergency powers. We will know today:

Google Translation:
The Chamber of Deputies is meeting today, with a front task that has generated many expectations: trying to approve, for the fourth time, the state of emergency, as requested by the Executive Power. Although it was approved yesterday by the Senate, without major obstacles, the plurality and the correlation of forces in the lower house make it very difficult for the piece to be approved or, at least, as it is presented. It is that all the parties that make up the opposition bloc announced that they will not vote for the extension of the exception period. The Chamber of Deputies is made up of 190 legislators, of whom 97 are represented in the opposition bloc, and 93 in the ruling party. Among these, 80 belong to the Dominican Liberation Party (PLD), and its allies; the Dominican Revolutionary Party (PRD) has 11, and two from the bloc (BIS-PPC), that is, from the Institutional Social Democratic Bloc and the Popular Christian Party. The opponents have 57 of the Modern Revolutionary Party; seven from the Christian Social Reformer, 27 from the People's Force; one from the Broad Front; one from Alianza País, and the same number from the Quisqueyano Democrat, and three from the newly allied Liberal Reformist Party, led by Senator Amable Aristy Castro. To approve the piece, a simple majority is required, that is, half plus one. Yesterday there was a rumor that the pro-government officers were conquering at least three opposition deputies, who belong to a small party, with which they would add 96, and those who oppose would remain with 94. Senate Despite the opposition of the Opposition legislators, who were absent from the session yesterday, the Senate, in a single reading, approved a resolution authorizing the Executive Power the fourth extension to the state of emergency for an additional 25 days. The new extension will take effect on June 2. José Ignacio Paliza and Santiago Zorrilla, senators of the Modern Revolutionary Party who had already advanced would not vote for the piece, were absent from the session. The same is true for Manuel Guichardo, from La Fuerza del Pueblo. Only Senator Prims Pujals, who follows the guidelines of the party led by Leonel Fernández, participated in the session, but voted against the proposal. Approved by 21 senators Explaining the reason for a new extension, President Medina maintained that an abrupt uprising would cause further outbreaks, while he considered that the curfew is a crucial measure "with the sole purpose of protecting the health of the Dominican people " The PRM The block of deputies of the Modern Revolutionary Party (PRM), led by Alfredo Pacheco, announced its opposition to an extension of the State of Emergency, ensuring that the exceptional powers conferred on the Government "were not taken advantage of." Pacheco affirmed that through "inefficient and malicious measures" against COVID-19, the State has been unable to prevent the spread of the virus in a timely manner. According to the legislator, the lack of direct purchases of rapid tests to detect the coronavirus is proof that the State of Emergency does not need to be extended, and affirming that the Ministry of Public Health works with donations. Similarly, he expressed that through Public Health Law 42-01, the government can take the necessary sanitary control measures to prevent a flare-up, and that through Law 340-06 they can declare the purchase of medical supplies as an “emergency process. ”, Without the need for a State of Exception to do so. Regarding purchases, Pacheco asserted that the institutions have not been held accountable with the necessary rigor in this area before Congress during the period of national emergency, pointing out the case of the National Institute for Comprehensive Care for Early Childhood (Inaipi) in which they were Several people were fired for irregularities in the purchasing process. Pacheco denounced that the Government continues to use the social plans intended as aid during the COVID-19 pandemic for political purposes, and that these are not distributed equally. It also blames the State for those infected and deceased by the coronavirus, indicating that the government has not acted "according to the suggestions of international organizations and have rejected the collaboration of the opposition and sectors of civil society." FINAL DESTINATION What would happen? If the request is not approved today, President Danilo Medina would be obliged to lift the state of emergency, as soon as the current one ends, as explained by the FP spokesman, Henry Merán. If the president does not do it, then Congress would call a session to do it, and if neither of them does, even so, the emergency situation would end on the date that was approved the last time, in this case the first of June.
 

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Masks:

Surgical type masks (loose fitting around the ear type) are designed to stop exhalent by the wearer from reaching others. They are too loose fitting so they leak when the wearer inhales and thus can lead to a false sense of effectiveness against contamination by uninformed users.

N95 and above masks, are effective in both directions provided they fit properly and are changed often.

I'm still convinced that all this advice against the wearing of masks is purely for practical and economic reasons. There are not enough N95 masks for everyone to use so they are being reserved and purchased as fast as they can be made by countries for health workers. These would be effective for the civilian population if they were available for use.

The advice by the WHO in the article doesn't seem to make sense for surgical masks as they have their reasoning backwards. These surgical masks should be used by caregivers who are dealing with people who are not yet infected to prevent the patients from being exposed by an infected caregiver. As above, this type of mask is of limited effectiveness in protecting the caregiver from an infected patient.

Me, I've got my own supply of N95 masks that I acquired long before CV19. I will continue to wear them and protect myself (primarily) from others until either the rate of infection around me falls sufficiently or a vaccine becomes available. I'm at a higher risk for complications than the average person, I have the supplies, it only makes sense to use them. If others choose to view me as foolish for doing so, they obviously can't appreciate that there might be a legitimate reason for wearing a N95 mask and that's fine - I'm wearing it for my benefit not theirs.
 
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Masks:

Surgical type masks (loose fitting around the ear type) are designed to stop exhalent by the wearer from reaching others. They are too loose fitting so they leak when the wearer inhales and thus can lead to a false sense of effectiveness against contamination by uninformed users.

N95 and above masks, are effective in both directions provided they fit properly and are changed often.

I'm still convinced that all this advice against the wearing of masks is purely for practical and economic reasons. There are not enough N95 masks for everyone to use so they are being reserved and purchased as fast as they can be made by countries for health workers. These would be effective for the civilian population if they were available for use.

The advice by the WHO in the article doesn't seem to make sense for surgical masks as they have their reasoning backwards. These surgical masks should be used by caregivers who are dealing with people who are not yet infected to prevent the patients from being exposed by an infected caregiver. As above, this type of mask is of limited effectiveness in protecting the caregiver from an infected patient.

Me, I've got my own supply of N95 masks that I acquired long before CV19. I will continue to wear them and protect myself (primarily) from others until either the rate of infection around me falls sufficiently or a vaccine becomes available. I'm at a higher risk for complications than the average person, I have the supplies, it only makes sense to use them. If others choose to view me as foolish for doing so, they obviously can't appreciate that there might be a legitimate reason for wearing a N95 mask and that's fine - I'm wearing it for my benefit not theirs.
WoW, Are you Asian or Canadian ? The only people I know who had masks before this whole pandemic are Asian, lol.
 

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Can you get the virus from a surface?
As lockdowns lift, many more Americans are going to come in contact with surfaces that other people have touched: doorknobs, tabletops, shopping bags and more. And I know that many people find these situations confusing.​
The early scientific advice seemed to encourage people to treat surface contact with utmost seriousness. More recently, research has suggested that few people get the virus this way. The main transmission mechanism instead appears to be close contact with someone who has the virus, like talking face-to-face or sitting nearby in an indoor setting. Those situations expose people to enough of a “viral load” to become infected.​
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently tried to clarify its guidance on the subject: “It may be possible that a person can get Covid-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this isn’t thought to be the main way the virus spreads.”​
Im not comfortable touching surfaces, this virus is transmitted the same way other respiratory viruses are through droplet infection, thus the CDC recommendation for frequent hand washing and disinfection of surfaces.
 

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I'm not expecting the end of the world or a zombie apocalypse but I have followed some of the tenets that have been adopted by the Prepper community for many years. I have several ways of purifying water for consumption, cooking food, a dental kit, an expansive first aid kit, my own AED and yes N95 masks among other supplies.

If I lose a filling and can't get to a dentist I can temporarily fix that. While my house may be in shambles after a hurricane, I can go to the nearest puddle of water and get something to drink. I'm not a big fan of being completely dependent on the swift arrival of govt or other organizations in times of difficulty so I do what I can to secure comfort, security and to have the essentials available for me and my family if times get tough or even if they don't.

Because of this approach, I have my own (not unlimited) stash of N95 masks to use. Since I have them, it doesn't make sense not to make use of them. Even supplies such as masks need to be rotated every so often.
 
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I'm not expecting the end of the world or a zombie apocalypse but I have followed some of the tenets that have been adopted by the Prepper community for many years. I have several ways of purifying water for consumption, cooking food, a dental kit, an expansive first aid kit, my own AED and yes N95 masks among other supplies.

If I lose a filling and can't get to a dentist I can temporarily fix that. While my house may be in shambles after a hurricane, I can go to the nearest puddle of water and get something to drink. I'm not a big fan of being completely dependent on the swift arrival of govt or other organizations in times of difficulty so I do what I can to secure comfort, security and to have the essentials available for me and my family if times get tough or even if they don't.

Because of this approach, I have my own (not unlimited) stash of N95 masks to use. Since I have them, it doesn't make sense not to make use of them. Even supplies such as masks need to be rotated every so often.
Wow - do you keep all your supplies in an underground bunker?
 
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WoW, Are you Asian or Canadian ? The only people I know who had masks before this whole pandemic are Asian, lol.
I have a friend of mine that is a "prepper". He and many others like him started buying the N95 masks in large quantities in January and early February, just like all those people that bought up huge quantities of toilet paper. That's one of the reasons they're in short supply.
 

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Politicians the world over at some point in time decided that they would rather spend the money on something else rather than restocking national inventories or provisioning hospitals for a healthcare emergency. That's why there is a shortage of PPE. That and the fact that a lot of it comes from China.

Just think back to SARS. I believe it was France that was first country to announce they were suspending all exports of PPE. The shortage of critical items was entirely foreseeable for years. It's just that everyone in a position to do something about it chose to believe that there would be no significant pandemic during their tenure in the job so they did little to nothing about what they felt was an inconsequential shortcoming.

Maybe the lesson has been learned this time around.
 
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Garyexpat

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Masks:

Surgical type masks (loose fitting around the ear type) are designed to stop exhalent by the wearer from reaching others. They are too loose fitting so they leak when the wearer inhales and thus can lead to a false sense of effectiveness against contamination by uninformed users.

N95 and above masks, are effective in both directions provided they fit properly and are changed often.

I'm still convinced that all this advice against the wearing of masks is purely for practical and economic reasons. There are not enough N95 masks for everyone to use so they are being reserved and purchased as fast as they can be made by countries for health workers. These would be effective for the civilian population if they were available for use.

The advice by the WHO in the article doesn't seem to make sense for surgical masks as they have their reasoning backwards. These surgical masks should be used by caregivers who are dealing with people who are not yet infected to prevent the patients from being exposed by an infected caregiver. As above, this type of mask is of limited effectiveness in protecting the caregiver from an infected patient.

Me, I've got my own supply of N95 masks that I acquired long before CV19. I will continue to wear them and protect myself (primarily) from others until either the rate of infection around me falls sufficiently or a vaccine becomes available. I'm at a higher risk for complications than the average person, I have the supplies, it only makes sense to use them. If others choose to view me as foolish for doing so, they obviously can't appreciate that there might be a legitimate reason for wearing a N95 mask and that's fine - I'm wearing it for my benefit not theirs.
So do you trust the W.H.O or not ( I don't). They say a healthy person shouldn't wear them unless helping an infected person?
 

Cdn_Gringo

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So do you trust the W.H.O or not ( I don't). They say a healthy person shouldn't wear them unless helping an infected person?
The reasoning and instructions attributed to the WHO in the article don't make sense to me. As I stated above, I think the logic is backwards. I am a firm believer in the basic principle that some degree of protection is always better than no protection at all.

Covering their nose and mouth with a surgical type mask should reduce the risk an infected person poses to casual passersby by some measurable degree when moving about in society either on foot or on public transit. How much protection the same mask would offer the wearer from someone else who is infected is unclear, but has to be at least a skosh better than no mask at all.

The WHO suffers from the human condition - They get some things right and others things wrong. Being a political entity it is unrealistic to expect that any UN agency doesn't come under some degree of interference and pressure much of the time. I get concerned when I hear governments parroting the advice of these large agencies, WHO, CDC, Health Canada etc when that advice is easily recognized as being illogical.

Don't wear a mask. Ok wear a mask, alright now don't wear a mask again. People might not wear one properly. Duh you think. I see lots everyday not wearing them correctly. People might get a false sense of invincibility. Huh? Of course a N95 mask, and a face shield and gowns and hair caps don't offer a 100% infection free guarantee. Anyone who watches the news and hears about doctors and nurses getting sick should be able to infer that wearing just a mask isn't going to allow one to wade through leper colony with complete impunity. You can't fix stupid so at least try not to dissuade everybody just so the less intelligent don't feel singled out.
 

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My homeland Norway follows the advice from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and their own experts, masks are not considered important and do not recommend those for the general public, but they are open to consider further research that can lead to another decision. So far they are doing quite well without masks.

Based on the lack of evidence, it has so far not been recommended that people who are not ill or who are not providing care to a patient should wear a mask to reduce influenza or COVID-19 transmission.


But nothing wrong with wearing a mask, it will give you protection as stated in this thread IF weared correctly and IF it is a proper medical mask and IF it is maintained/changed as required.

That is my understanding, I have followed the DR rules here and wear panties/fabric/mask when I am outside. In Norway I would not.

I have not a medical mask and is not interested in one before some agency/research shows me that I really should.

No problem understanding that someone else prefer to wear one. This is a new situation, nobody knows all the answers
 

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The reasoning and instructions attributed to the WHO in the article don't make sense to me. As I stated above, I think the logic is backwards. I am a firm believer in the basic principle that some degree of protection is always better than no protection at all.

Covering their nose and mouth with a surgical type mask should reduce the risk an infected person poses to casual passersby by some measurable degree when moving about in society either on foot or on public transit. How much protection the same mask would offer the wearer from someone else who is infected is unclear, but has to be at least a skosh better than no mask at all.

The WHO suffers from the human condition - They get some things right and others things wrong. Being a political entity it is unrealistic to expect that any UN agency doesn't come under some degree of interference and pressure much of the time. I get concerned when I hear governments parroting the advice of these large agencies, WHO, CDC, Health Canada etc when that advice is easily recognized as being illogical.

Don't wear a mask. Ok wear a mask, alright now don't wear a mask again. People might not wear one properly. Duh you think. I see lots everyday not wearing them correctly. People might get a false sense of invincibility. Huh? Of course a N95 mask, and a face shield and gowns and hair caps don't offer a 100% infection free guarantee. Anyone who watches the news and hears about doctors and nurses getting sick should be able to infer that wearing just a mask isn't going to allow one to wade through leper colony with complete impunity. You can't fix stupid so at least try not to dissuade everybody just so the less intelligent don't feel singled out.
Enjoy your mask, as for me I will not wear one except for the trips to supermarket and other mandatory locations. In addition to the untrustworthy W.H.O statements I believe as some Medical Doctors say that using the mask and isolating reduces your immune system and hence makes one more susceptible to illnesses.
 

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If complications from the disease may kill you, considerations about your immune system become secondary. I'm not suggesting people wear masks whenever they leave their homes forever. It just makes sense that those who are vulnerable should do what they can to look after themselves. Before others pass judgement on these people when they are seen in public months from now, I would hope that the first thought would be that there might be a reason for the mask rather than mockery from the outset.

In the short term while this disease continues to spread unchecked, anyone who is wearing a mask is doing their part to be considerate of others and are giving themselves some measure of protection against infection that they could otherwise take home to grandma.

I don't particularly enjoy wearing one, but I consider it necessary if I wish to be here this time next year.
 

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Enjoy your mask, as for me I will not wear one except for the trips to supermarket and other mandatory locations. In addition to the untrustworthy W.H.O statements I believe as some Medical Doctors say that using the mask and isolating reduces your immune system and hence makes one more susceptible to illnesses.
The hotter it gets the less mask people
will be wearing. I'm looking forward to it.
Half the people in my neighborhood have
not worn a mask outside since day one and i'm expecting
to see even less people wearing them by the time i return in late august.
 
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