Coronavirus - In the DR

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Lots of talk that the DR must take a step back and impose restrictions again by those on TV and social media.

This would mean another State of Emergency to have such curfews. A Minister of Health alone does not have such power.
I think that another State of Emergency is as unlikely as creating an effective vaccine will be given recent news.

The new normal will contain higher risks.
Yes I think the DR already chose a path of living with it. More restrictions is needed though. Maybe a curfew. Education on precautions like mask, washing hands and higiene and distancing. Also keep border open. Travel will be limited anyway. Maybe reward the legal residents and home owners. I am not a fan of the Jamaica and especially not the Cuba approach of keeping tourists isolated. I just don’t think that’s what the DR is about. Resources should be directed towards health care. Maybe tourism industry paying into that.
 

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With immunity from actually having CV19 lasting a few months at best, and the results from early vaccine study showing a vaccine lasting even less, there is virtually no chance an effective vaccine will ever exist. Are people going to get a vaccine injection every two or three months to keep up their immunity? Perhaps, but it seems unlikely. Maybe those at highest risk of death. Antivaxers will have a field day with that concept.

How is a vaccine ever going to be more effective in generating protective antibodies than actually having the disease itself where the protection only lasts a few months and then you can get the disease again?

Unfortunately this is all going exactly like I expected it might. And that is not good. People will have to think of different approaches. Those antibody tests to see if you had the disease already are likely to be pointless wastes of time and effort. With fading hopes for a vaccine and any type of long term immunity, what will be done next?
Obviously there is no point in people being vaccinated if it doesn't work. But there are a large number of groups around the world working on developing an effective vaccine. I don't think you or anybody should dismiss the vaccine or take a lap of honour for believing you are right in your early guesswork until all attempts at developing a vaccine have been exhausted.
 
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There is a clear connection between general level of education of the population and level of misinformation spread and number of cases.

the level of the health system has no influence in that.

less education is more cases and more rumors and false information spreading is more cases.

Anyone can make that correlation bases on case numbers per country and education level. ( dont be fooled by a small part of a population beeing world class educated if 95% of the population has no proper general education )

Look to Asia with its superior level of education for example.

On the other side bad news for DR as the population is feeding on chismes and the ranking last place in PISA school test is no good sign either.
Good observation: general education helps in this war. If educaton is missing rumors emerge. Especially here, where spreading rumors is not sanctioned by law. In Vietnam they would not be able to sit in comaldos talking and talking.
 

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Obviously there is no point in people being vaccinated if it doesn't work. But there are a large number of groups around the world working on developing an effective vaccine. I don't think you or anybody should dismiss the vaccine or take a lap of honour for believing you are right in your early guesswork until all attempts at developing a vaccine have been exhausted.
Well, and that is a deep subject. Let us look at it this way.

1) It is likely the most effective way to develop antibodies is to actually be infected by CV19.
2) Most of those who have actually been infected with CV19 have been found to have antibodies that disappear over 3 months.
3) Vaccines are extremely unlikely to provide more antibody protection over a longer time period than actually being infected by the disease.
4) All of the experts in the world cannot change 1, 2 and 3 as far as I know. ( I do hope they discover something that has never been done before.)

CV19 is looking like the coronavirus' that cause common colds with respect to immunity. People only have short term immunity after catching them. And there is no effective vaccine because of that.
 

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What about polio chicken pox measles shingles ...no herd immunity but vaccines...
Its not all over yet...but us pandemic specialists are ready! ;)
 

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For polio, was it not about 30 years to eradicate polio, from the mid 1950's until the 1980's?

By the end of the year, there should be some data on how long the antibodies last and if they work from the Pfizer vaccine.
 

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What about polio chicken pox measles shingles ...no herd immunity but vaccines...
Its not all over yet...but us pandemic specialists are ready! ;)
A vaccine is actually a way, a better way, to get to herd immunity.

In order to get to herd immunity, enough people need to be immune for long enough that the disease has no one left to infect.
Immunity can be from previously having the disease or a vaccine. We still have no idea if a vaccine will last long, but indications
are that it will not last long.
 
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Bulletin #117 Tuesday low testing normal

Confirmed total cases 46305 Increase 799
Total deaths 910 Increase 7
Total recovered 23134 Increase 693
Total active 22261 Increase 99
Total tests 194461 Increase 2101 Day positivity 38%

Spread of new cases

DN 196
Azua 8
Barahona 1
Dajabon 3
Duarte 5
El Seibo 33
La Altagracia 14
La Romana 14
La Vega 3
Maria TS 8
Monte Cristi 8
Peravia 1
Puerto Plata 3
Samana 80
San Cristobal 20
San Juan 16
SPM 4
Sanchez Ramirez 22
Santiago 64
Monsenor N 5
Monte Plata 11
Hato Mayor 1
San Jose 1
Santo Domingo 118
Not Specified 160

Samana 89 tests, 80 positive. Monte Plata 12 tests, 11 positive. Santiago 134 tests, 64 postive. Sanchez Ramirez 37 tests, 22 positive. El Seibo 42 tests, 33 positive.
 

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The advantage this country is it has a limited amount of international ports making screening of foreign arrivals easier. Fewer doors equals fewer screeners needed.

Lay people properly trained to spot arrivals suspected to having the illness can direct them to professionals for more scrutiny.

Let's hope this virus is not as harmful as represented and nobody gets really ill.



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PJT
More than half a million dead worldwide. I think that makes it quite harmful
 

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PCR has false negative tests, but no false positives.

the rapid tests have a lot of false positives

now really you don't know if you had it or not. As the positive rapid tests may be false or the negative PCR.

thats why they do in other countries with enough testing 3 pcr tests on different days in a case like yours. As there are no false positives doing more of that test helps eliminate the false negatives.
This is contrary to what the pneumologist(?) At Clínica Bournigal told me. almost no false positive on the Rapid test, he said. the Blood test and symptoms that developed showed that I did have the COVID-19 virus. When you cant breathe going from the bed to the kitchen...
 

lifeisgreat

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SDQ social distancing o_O
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