Coronavirus - In the DR

Cdn_Gringo

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I think 'most of us" actually think the masks are useless and are ready to fully open everything including air travel without restrictions

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion even if that opinion is wrong. I think a vocal few think that preventative measures are useless but I do not think "most" people do. Masks are not perfect and come with no guarantee but are clearly better than nothing if your goal is to keep other people's saliva droplets away from your nose and mouth and to keep yours away from others. As for the curfew, not the most effective approach but if for some period of time each day, a curfew can keep some people at home so they are not mingling with others, that too has some limited benefit in making it impossible for those home bound people to spread the virus outside their own walls. The single most effective preventive measure is to stay far enough away from other people, preferably up wind of them as well. That's not always easy to do or practical when lining up at a bank or a check out in a store as some people have no concept of the principle of adequate separation distance. The futility of limiting the spread of CV19 is not the lack of safety protocols, the futility comes from the people who choose to ignore the protocols and do not follow them consistently or at all. One is supposed to comply with the mandated measures as much for themselves as for the benefit of others who for whatever reason are trying their best not to catch this disease. These people are appreciative of the efforts others take and shake their heads when they encounter the rest of the people who appear not to care about anyone other than themselves and their own erroneous beliefs. Masks become more important not when driving in your car or walking down a deserted street but when indoors where other people cannot maintain a safe separation distance. The curfew helps when it causes people to stay home and watch TV instead of drinking with friends on the street corners or in small bars/colmados. The new normal is supposed to be distance between people and vigorous and frequent hand washing. The extra precautions like masks, curfews and no social gatherings are supposed to augment the primary protection from this virus which remains distance from others. People have to choose to part of the effort to limit virus spread. Clearly some cannot or will not make that their modus operandi for reasons that are very much their own and have nothing to with helping to maintain the health and safety of others. If I was sick and through deliberate choices passed the disease to someone else, I wouldn't feel to good about having done that.
 
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Cdn_Gringo

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The parents here are praying the schools open.

The kids are in the starting blocks and ready to go back

How's that free internet and free laptop program working.

How many public schools actually have anything working in that regard ?

Distance learning is proving to be hard to pull off in other countries. I think it is going to a ineffective disaster in this country for all the reason already discussed. Some Parents want their kids out of the house and back into school provided daycare with meals provided. The kids are looking for a much needed change of pace to deal with the boredom of being away from class.

None of these things has anything to do with keeping people healthy so it is inevitable that when the schools reopen people in those schools will begin to get sick and will become potential spreaders to people outside the schools. Distance and masks and hand washing is important for students and the general population. There is just no getting away from the basic preventative measures except by disregarding them.
 
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bob saunders

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Bob, school is opening soon. Is your wife's school opening up with no restrictions?
We have no choice in the matter. There is a difference between restrictions based on the evidence and using common sense than draconian restrictions based on fear or for overcontrol purposes. Clearly different people have different opinions on this, some ill formed or uninformed. Children have a approximately 45% less chance of getting the virus, and children are easily trained to wash their hands, and wear their little masks. In June the government allowed us to bring children in for assessment for grade advancement. We brought children in small groups, temperature check, hands washed, masks, social distancing and neither parents or children had difficulty following protocol. We have good cleaners, and enough space to social distance, …etc. , however the government says virtual classrooms or online teaching only, and teachers must be be at the schools, not teaching from their homes. We have Wi-Fi throughout the school already. The biggest issue is with the children 4-6 years old. Virtual learning will be very difficult to do with this age group, almost impossible to do it effectively. Hopefully the positive rate comes down to under ten percent and the ministry will allow limited in class teaching. Many, many parents are waiting for this.
 

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Some parents that I have spoken to about their kids retuning to school are still on the fence taking a wait and see attitude. As we have seen in other countries, the schools open up, kids pack in and then the schools have to close due to the spread of the infection. I expect most parents are expecting a similar scenario to play out here in the DR. You just can't put that many bodies into a confined indoor space and not expect transmission. Especially with kids who will not always not fiddle with their masks or wash their hands after touching some else's pencil. Schools just do not have the space to separate kids adequately in the classroom. If the parents do not want the virus coming home, most likely they will not send their kid(s) to class. At least until the schools demonstrate that they can control the spread of the virus between students and teachers, which I think will be unlikely.
We have the space, and have already determined the number of children per class and in the school at one time, different recess times, different, entry and exit times, use of two exits, outdoor teaching, teaching in our larger rooms, open windows...etc. There are solutions to every problem. We also have a disinfectant atomizer sprayer....etc. no touch digital thermometers. However we have no idea or control of what children do off school grounds. I went for a walk yesterday at 4 pm and saw several groups of children, some whom I knew, in groups as large as 15 , without masks.
 

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Ignoring the curfew even at 9 PM. It was just a matter of time before the curfew fell apart:

 
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JDJones

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Ignoring the curfew even at 9 PM. It was just a matter of time before the curfew fell apart:


No surprise there.
 

chico bill

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Everyone is entitled to have an opinion even if that opinion is wrong.

And this is the problem with group think. You think you can pick a stance and try to shame others into thinking it is right ?
That is what is wrong
I think more people think it is time to reopen and eliminate curfews than don't.
Should we take a poll ?
Majority rules
 
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Cdn_Gringo

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You could ask NALs to run a poll here on DR1. Should at night curfews to control the spread of CV19 be completely eliminated In the DR?
 
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Encouraging news from today's report
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The Ministry of Public Health’s Epidemiology Department Coronavirus Bulletin #195 reports 309 cases of persons testing positive to PCR tests over the past 24 hours. The 24-hour positivity rate is 9.15%, and the 4-week positivity rate is 12.82% and declining. This compares to 31% at the change of government on 16 August 2020.
 
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Encouraging news from today's report
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The Ministry of Public Health’s Epidemiology Department Coronavirus Bulletin #195 reports 309 cases of persons testing positive to PCR tests over the past 24 hours. The 24-hour positivity rate is 9.15%, and the 4-week positivity rate is 12.82% and declining. This compares to 31% at the change of government on 16 August 2020.
This is not about masks and curfews working, because they were much more strict before, but the disease becoming less contagious, less lethal and the most compromised having been those in the high early numbers.

And a higher number of healthy people now being tested. Maybe only sick people were tested in the early days. Anyway PCR testing has nothing to do with contagious people but those who developed anti-bodies.

The main thing (and best news) is hospitalized Covid patients are down to 15 % of hospital capacity.
Now hospitals can get back to treating bigger killers - heart disease, diabetes and cancer.
 
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Today's report shows an increase in confirmed cases, including 90 in Espaillat (Moca).

This could reflect that there were days when relatively less tests were carried out, but it could also reflect the effects of the added mobility of people.
Deputy Minister Ivelisse Acosta has said the government is keeping close tabs on the situation and could reverse the curfew and enforce more stringent restrictions if they perceive the disease could pick up pace of spreading again.

Will have to see the effects of Mercedes Day long weekend in the next week or so.

 

william webster

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As I understand it, the current testing is to determine where in the country the cases are.

As they move from district to district, the case loads might change...up or down
 

johne

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We have no choice in the matter. There is a difference between restrictions based on the evidence and using common sense than draconian restrictions based on fear or for overcontrol purposes. Clearly different people have different opinions on this, some ill formed or uninformed. Children have a approximately 45% less chance of getting the virus, and children are easily trained to wash their hands, and wear their little masks. In June the government allowed us to bring children in for assessment for grade advancement. We brought children in small groups, temperature check, hands washed, masks, social distancing and neither parents or children had difficulty following protocol. We have good cleaners, and enough space to social distance, …etc. , however the government says virtual classrooms or online teaching only, and teachers must be be at the schools, not teaching from their homes. We have Wi-Fi throughout the school already. The biggest issue is with the children 4-6 years old. Virtual learning will be very difficult to do with this age group, almost impossible to do it effectively. Hopefully the positive rate comes down to under ten percent and the ministry will allow limited in class teaching. Many, many parents are waiting for this.
Do the regulations cover the pre-school kids age 3-6? Classes that are limited to 10 kids in an outdoor setting under a roof.