Denying your Dominican Heritage

NALs

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daddy1 said:
And to address the mexican issue.. the majority and not all Mexicans come here with language problems, they come here with no education, they have limited skills and only do hard labor work that no one else will do...they cannot take advantage of what the U.S. have to offer, so they must stay within there cultural community in order to survive...
That is not true.

Look at all the data of migration from Mexico to the United States. Most Mexicans migrating to the United States are better educated, overall wealthier, and not the poorest of the poor.

A similar pattern occurs between DR-US migration as well.

-NAL
 

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No way Nals!

Most of these mexican's are crossing the border "illegally" leaving California speechless on the issue of immigration reform...if you speak to a border patrol officer in Arizona, California, Texas etc...they will give you a fond description of the type of Mexican's in general that are trying to get in the country per day...they are cominig here for maid jobs, and construction work...now these people are skilled, no doubt about that, but Americans are not complaining about Mexican's because they are stealing high paid executive jobs...alot of these people because of the language barriers, are limited...
 

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Most of these mexican's are crossing the border "illegally" leaving California speechless on the issue of immigration reform...if you speak to a border patrol officer in Arizona, California, Texas etc...they will give you a fond description of the type of Mexican's in general that are trying to get in the country per day...they are cominig here for maid jobs, and construction work...now these people are skilled, no doubt about that, but Americans are not complaining about Mexican's because they are stealing high paid executive jobs...alot of these people because of the language barriers, are limited...
You said it, the language barriers causes them to limit their options, but most of the Mexicans crossing into the United States are better educated and overall better off than the poorest of the poorest Mexican.

You will be surprised how relatively few Mexicans from the southern states (ie. Chiapas and others along southern Mexico) are actually crossing the border into the US vs. the number of Mexicans from Northern Mexico such as Sonora, Chihuahua, and other north Mexico states, in addition to Mexicans from central Mexico. It just so happens that Mexico's poorest states are overwhelmingly the southern states, with its central and northern states being among the most progressives, not only economically but also in direct government investment in education, health, and the sort.

The average northern and central Mexican is overall better educated, better off than the average southern Mexican, and from those northern and central Mexicans, the one's who are prone to migrate to the United States are those who have, on average, a higher education and economic well being than most within that particular Mexican population.

In addition, there are many non-Mexicans from Central America and other Latin and non-Latin American countries using Mexico as a gateway into the United States as well. In fact, there are complaints from the Mexican authorities of the number of non-Mexicans who use Mexico to enter into the United States, but they are being deported into Mexico even though they are not Mexican and/or lack Mexican citizenship.

Check the data and you will see what I have been stating here. In fact, the magration patterns on a global scale shows that most of the people migrating from the developing world into the developed world are not the poorest of the poor, but those who are in their economically productive years, better educated and better off economically than most.

Much of the data on international migration is readily available, please look into them.

-NAL
 

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You said it, the language barriers causes them to limit their options, but most of the Mexicans crossing into the United States are better educated and overall better off than the poorest of the poorest Mexican.

You will be surprised how relatively few Mexicans from the southern states (ie. Chiapas and others along southern Mexico) are actually crossing the border into the US vs. the number of Mexicans from Northern Mexico such as Sonora, Chihuahua, and other north Mexico states, in addition to Mexicans from central Mexico. It just so happens that Mexico's poorest states are overwhelmingly the southern states, with its central and northern states being among the most progressives, not only economically but also in direct government investment in education, health, and the sort.

The average northern and central Mexican is overall better educated, better off than the average southern Mexican, and from those northern and central Mexicans, the one's who are prone to migrate to the United States are those who have, on average, a higher education and economic well being than most within that particular Mexican population.

In addition, there are many non-Mexicans from Central America and other Latin and non-Latin American countries using Mexico as a gateway into the United States as well. In fact, there are complaints from the Mexican authorities of the number of non-Mexicans who use Mexico to enter into the United States, but they are being deported into Mexico even though they are not Mexican and/or lack Mexican citizenship.

Check the data and you will see what I have been stating here. In fact, the magration patterns on a global scale shows that most of the people migrating from the developing world into the developed world are not the poorest of the poor, but those who are in their economically productive years, better educated and better off economically than most.

Much of the data on international migration is readily available, please look into them.

-NAL
I agree about the other ethnics groups as well, it is causing some security concerns here.... in observance of what you have said about many intellectual Mexican's making names for themselves I'd have to agree as well
I guess, either way it seems as a community they are contributing and very skilled at what they do...whether labor or otherwise!
 

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In response to your post all I can say is I like your spirit and I think your heart is definitely in the right place. You will achieve your goal.

En cuanto al espa?ol no te des por vencida y no dejes de estudiar. Buena suerte.

LDG.

Thanks LDG! It's a struggle sometimes but i'm trying. I have read many of your posts and you are extremely knowlegable and thorough with teaching the language, can i ask your background with the spanish language? Are you a teacher? What is your first language? Just curious...
 

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Syrita said:
Thanks LDG! It's a struggle sometimes but i'm trying. I have read many of your posts and you are extremely knowlegable and thorough with teaching the language, can i ask your background with the spanish language? Are you a teacher? What is your first language? Just curious...
 

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another sad but true.............being dominican can also be a safe guard in this business world.. when you first walk in for an interview, they see a black face, but then they look at the resume (fluency in spanish) and another glance at your last name and think "well at least she's not black.. lets bring her aboard.. yippeeeeeeeeee"


This is true, but the next thought of the employer is yippeeeeeeeeee, now we only have to pay 5 dollars an hour since it's just a dumb Mexican ( in the business world all hispanics are considered Mexican or Puerto Rican. not my rule, just how it is
 

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Growing up in Connecticut, there were not many Cubans, especially darker Cubans. It was always difficult to explain to my friends, where my mother was from. My family and I lived in the North end of Hartford, where mostly African-Americans, and West Indians live. I guess one would say that my brothers and I chose not to acknowledge our Cuban ancestry. When I go to spanish restaurants, when I order a meal. The waitress will speak to me in English, assuming that I am not Spanish and that I don't know the language. Its awkard, while I embrace my heritage, my own people have never accepted me. On the other hand, a friend will be with me in the restaurant, who happens to be of lighter skin, and the waitress will speak to her in Spanish, assuming she is latina. Sometimes, I speak up and will say, Latinos come in all different shades... She is not a Latina but I am...
In other words, its not about denying heritage, its about your heritage embracing the person.
 

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Hi Deelt,

. I know were talking about his father but if father is "Dominican" therefore his son would at least know Spanish, etc.

Hasta Luego,
Capo
That is not always true.
 

Ricardo900

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When I go to spanish restaurants, when I order a meal. The waitress will speak to me in English, assuming that I am not Spanish and that I don't know the language. Its awkard, while I embrace my heritage, my own people have never accepted me
You should look at that situation the other way around, when I see a person from latin decent I will speak to them in spanish because I do not think they will understand english, am I bad for doing this?
Now, when the waitress knows that you speak spanish and she continues to speak english to you, than that's another story. But I can personally say that when I speak spanish to them the majority will continue the conversation in spanish. You have to understand that the majority of latin-americans are of indian and european decent, so don't take it personal.
 

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When I go to spanish restaurants, when I order a meal. The waitress will speak to me in English, assuming that I am not Spanish and that I don't know the language. Its awkard, while I embrace my heritage, my own people have never accepted me. On the other hand, a friend will be with me in the restaurant, who happens to be of lighter skin, and the waitress will speak to her in Spanish, assuming she is latina. Sometimes, I speak up and will say, Latinos come in all different shades... She is not a Latina but I am...
In other words, its not about denying heritage, its about your heritage embracing the person.
I know exactly how you feel, but try not to let it bother you. I think more than anything it depends on WHERE you are. For example, here in Maryland the same thing happens to me. When I am in a Latin restaurant, especially Mexican and Cuban, they speak to me in English. When I answer in Spanish they seem shocked, but always continue in Spanish AFTER they ask where I am from. However, when in Miami I am spoken to in Spanish first (again depending on where I am) not English. Ironically, it's when I am in Cuban neighborhoods visiting family that I am looked at strange which is funny to me since their are a LARGE number of "BROWN" Cubans both on the island and here in the states. We tend to live north of Florida and and many mix with american Blacks because of how we are sometimes treated in the south. Don't get me wrong, their are a lot of American Blacks who will give you the same treatment as lighter Latinos, whites, etc in the south. Forgive them and shake it off.

Personally, I just laugh at it and move on or it will make me crazy. After all..here I'm a foreigner but in Cuba and in Santo Domingo I am "la prima americana". Can't win:classic:! So, as a child of "African-American and Afro-Cuban parents (with hundreds of Cuban and Dominicubano family living in Santo Domingo), I choose to just be confident (not saying that you are not) with who I am and educate those around me (if asked) about the rainbow of colors in el caribe.

I don't think that "most" people are intentionally trying to offend you. They, even our own, just don't know any better, but mean well. Now, as for those who just say plain ignorant and racist things....again just ignore them and don't waste energy responding :lick:....they'll still feel the same no matter what you post or how loud you scream at them. Sorry this was sooooo long winded, but I hope it helped! Take care.
 

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wether you like it or not you're always going to be what you are wether you're dominican , asian, black, or white your going to be that basicly until you die
 

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Ricardo900 said:
You should look at that situation the other way around, when I see a person from latin decent I will speak to them in spanish because I do not think they will understand english, am I bad for doing this?

my best friend is mexican-american and speaks english fluently--so do his parents. the biggest insult to him is when non-latinos and even latinos speak to him in spanish first--the irony is he doesn't know spanish--he's american after all.
 

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Does any of you Afro-Latinos have the problem.... like where when you are around African Americans sometimes they view u as a outsider and when you are around other latinos and talk spanish they veiw you a sell out?
 

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Dominicans are unknown in many areas..

My Dominican husband is often thought of as black until he opens his mouth then they then say "Where are you from" He says Republica Dominicana and they have no idea where that is..Ignorance is the problem with most people when it comes to race problems etc...He is proud of the DR and he has been in the USA for about 20 years now...You can not deny your nationality if you are honest...but I have asked MANY people "Where are you from" MANY a time to get an answer you know is just told me because they are afraid of prejudices against them....if they say "Iran"..they think I will hold that against them when in actuality I wanted to say something in Farci to them!
OH in reference to the AFRO Latino My husband looks light skinned black when I first saw him I thought he was that..until he said his name then I said "Que Paso Amigo" and we have been to gether ever since! He gets mad when he sees a Mexican/South American and he says something to them in Spanish and they just speak English back to him..He thinks they are trying to NOT appear Spanish or that they think they are too good for Spanish now theyare in the USA..But actually some may be like an earlier poster said..they may not speak spanish! My son looks Domoinican and he is 1/2 but he can not speak spanish really....we are working on that now..LOL :) PAM
 

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Its all complex inferiorty people trust me.I am so convinced now that all these problems that us people have is complex inferiorty.They associate lightskin and spanish with success and beauty only and only because they believe it brings them that much closer to the white people. In other words whites are superior to them.
 

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Snuffy said:
Afro-Latino : Can you tell me if many Dominicans consider themselves Afro-Latinos?

I'm Dominican I said Afro-Latinos Because one those people commenting was part Cuban.
 
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Kidd Creole said:
Does any of you Afro-Latinos have the problem.... like where when you are around African Americans sometimes they view u as a outsider and when you are around other latinos and talk spanish they veiw you a sell out?


Often. It doesn't bother me anymore. When I was in high school it was pretty intense, but in my old age I could care less. :classic: