Many Dominicans are very aware of their ancestry. They have more detailed ethnic classifications than other places.
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Many Dominicans are very aware of their ancestry. They have more detailed ethnic classifications than other places.
African, Spaniard, Taino, Who cares really. People can call themselves whatever they want as far as I am concerned. Dominicans are Dominicans. They come in different shades, shapes, sizes, and intelligence. They can call themselves whatever they want makes no difference to me. They live and die like everyone else on this planet. As for me, I am Orange!!
Can we say predominately African at 49, 39, 3 and 9% uncertain? Toss in a margin of error and the 9% uncertain it could very well be near equal between white/black. What I find interesting is the physical attractiveness of Dominicans in general. Other than the racial mix I cannot see another explanation. Only sometimes I really wish they would not talk so much, so loud and stop yelling into the cell phone. What part of the racial mix does that come from? Must be the missing 9%.
As far as I'm concerned, Dominicans are 100% human.
Well, there are a few I wonder about...
And I have no idea why people have an issue with their ancestry or that they simply refer to themselves as Dominican.. Especially when they themselves are not Dominican.
All I know is Christopher Columbus was quite a Captain....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_María_(ship)
The Santa Maria being 108 Tons and all ... pretty impressive .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_María_(ship)
The Santa Maria being 108 Tons and all ... pretty impressive .
Those were probably the saliva samples taken from area in and around Sosua :cheeky:
1. Does anybody here know any Dominican that was tested in this study?
2. Was any Dominican who posts on DR1 tested themselves in this study?
2. Was any Dominican who posts on DR1 tested themselves in this study?
Not in this study, but our Dominican niece just got her results from Ancestry.com. 71% European [Italy 32%, Iberian 23%, Western European 11%, Great Britain 3%, Ireland 1%, European Jewish 1%], 18% African, 8% Native American [has to be Taino].
So much for all there being no Taino DNA in DR anymore.
The Native American most likely is overwhelmingly or entirely Taino, but there could be traces of Mayans. While this has been lost in most discussions of the history of the island, Antonio Sánchez Valverde does says (he was alive in the mid to late 1700s) that some Native Americans from New Spain (Mexico) did migrate to the island. He mentions this once in his book about the Spanish part of the island, but I sure noticed it. For now, Native American genetic material from the Spanish Caribbean tends to be closer to the genetics of the Indians in the Orinoco River Delta in Venezuela than Mayans from the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico. The Tainos populated the Caribbean Islands from the Orinoco River Delta, so the closer genetic similarity with those Indians makes perfect sense for people that have Taino blood in them.
The other 'issue' is that it could be, though not likely for most Dominicans with Native American blood, Carib instead of Taino. There is simply no way of figuring this out because the while the Taino and the Carib were very different societies (the former was pacific while the later warriors, the latter ate people, etc), genetically it turns out they were the same people. Genetically differentiating a Taino from a Carib is as impossible as differentiating a Portuguese from a Spaniard, that difference doesn't exist at the genomic level (that's why they always combine those two populations under the 'Iberian' label.)
Another thing to keep in mind is that the North African component basically arrived to the island already mixed in the Spaniards (especially those from the Canaries) back in the 1600s and 1700s. I know Ancestry.com includes the North African as part of the African segment, which makes sense geographically but socially and in terms of how it got to the Western Hemisphere it simply doesn't makes much sense. The Canary Islanders had bits of Guanche ancestry (the indigenous people that were on those islands before the Spaniards arrived, the Guanches were in fact an offshoot of a North African population.)
Also, thousands of years ago parts of Spain was the destination for a Celtic migration that arrived from the British Isles, including Ireland. That 3% Great Britain and 1% Ireland may be due to that and not so much recent (as in the past 500 years) British or Irish ancestors. Again, similar to what happens with the North African, those inputs most likely are just part of the Spanish DNA 'package.'
Another irony is that even some of the Sub-Saharan African genes may be part of the 'Spanish package,' because some of the Spaniards that migrated from the Canary Islands were in fact mulattoes. They were described as such in the records that survives with the name and descriptions of the migrants in some of the boats, and also some descriptions once the Canary Islanders settled in various parts of what is now the DR do mention that some of the Canary Islanders arrived as free mulattoes themselves. Apparently, most of this minority within the Canary Islanders originated from the island of Tenerife.
i tested in both 23andme and ancestrydna and i came out 60% European (25% Iberian, 19% Italian/Greece, 12% UK), 27% West African (8% Benin/Togo, 7% Nigerian, 7% senegambian/mali), 9% native american (likely taino most def), the rest is north african and west asian
not really anything special there but still interesting, i already knew what i was gonna come out but i expected my native component to be a bit lower and not 9% but that makes me happy that i have a good amount though so i am 9% real Dominican
going back to the DNA studies i like the old 1950s studies a lot, i didnt know they had one as i said previously, i think its brilliant idk how close it is to reality but definitely a good find
Dominicans are basically a people of first tainos who then slowly started mixing and dying out and was deluted from the first settlers which were largely Andaluzians in the 1500s along with some portuguese in the later 1500s (especially in the cibao), then the African slaves were imported due to the need for "obra de mano" labor after the taino slaves were dying out due to the harsh conditions, maroonages, and diseases (also the mixing), later on the french as they occupied haiti (west side) they slowly started to populate the DR (east side) especially the cibao region and because of this fear was created of possible french invasian so the government of DR told that to spain and spain later sent ALOOT of Canarians over to the DR in the 1680s-1760s to delute and sieze control of the french population which they did successfully and they also founded many towns all around the the DR including some on the haitian side (which alot dont know bout) they came by way of "el tributo de sangre" tribute of blood whcih basically is that every package from spain sent to the new world had to include 5 canarians on that ship, because it wasnt just the DR who had these territorial problems, PR, cuba, Louisiana, Venezuela, and Uruguey had em too but the canarians basically went all over but they made the biggest contribution in the caribbean, spanish florida, louisiana, and the caribbean coasts of south america and some parts of central america such as veracruz etc... then the canarians basically became overseers sicne they were not a well off individual group of ppl economically speaking, many also worked along side the slaves and intermarried with slaves (mainly canarian man and black african woman) thats how it was then, after the 1750s the canarian migration dropped rapidly in the DR due to issues within the country, thats us guys, basically our population is formed in that era (mainly not entirely) 1492-1760
not really anything special there but still interesting, i already knew what i was gonna come out but i expected my native component to be a bit lower and not 9% but that makes me happy that i have a good amount though so i am 9% real Dominican
going back to the DNA studies i like the old 1950s studies a lot, i didnt know they had one as i said previously, i think its brilliant idk how close it is to reality but definitely a good find
Dominicans are basically a people of first tainos who then slowly started mixing and dying out and was deluted from the first settlers which were largely Andaluzians in the 1500s along with some portuguese in the later 1500s (especially in the cibao), then the African slaves were imported due to the need for "obra de mano" labor after the taino slaves were dying out due to the harsh conditions, maroonages, and diseases (also the mixing), later on the french as they occupied haiti (west side) they slowly started to populate the DR (east side) especially the cibao region and because of this fear was created of possible french invasian so the government of DR told that to spain and spain later sent ALOOT of Canarians over to the DR in the 1680s-1760s to delute and sieze control of the french population which they did successfully and they also founded many towns all around the the DR including some on the haitian side (which alot dont know bout) they came by way of "el tributo de sangre" tribute of blood whcih basically is that every package from spain sent to the new world had to include 5 canarians on that ship, because it wasnt just the DR who had these territorial problems, PR, cuba, Louisiana, Venezuela, and Uruguey had em too but the canarians basically went all over but they made the biggest contribution in the caribbean, spanish florida, louisiana, and the caribbean coasts of south america and some parts of central america such as veracruz etc... then the canarians basically became overseers sicne they were not a well off individual group of ppl economically speaking, many also worked along side the slaves and intermarried with slaves (mainly canarian man and black african woman) thats how it was then, after the 1750s the canarian migration dropped rapidly in the DR due to issues within the country, thats us guys, basically our population is formed in that era (mainly not entirely) 1492-1760
Are there benefits available if you are certain minimum percentage native in DR?
In the states, i think if you are at least 25% native, you get college scholarships and can enjoy reservation benefits. It was awhile ago, but my college buddy was 1/4 Native American and was on a full-ride pre-med and his med school was also free. This was North Dakota, so not sure if it was a State benefit as well as Fed.
In the states, i think if you are at least 25% native, you get college scholarships and can enjoy reservation benefits. It was awhile ago, but my college buddy was 1/4 Native American and was on a full-ride pre-med and his med school was also free. This was North Dakota, so not sure if it was a State benefit as well as Fed.
thats only the in the USA, where stuff like that occures
in the dominican republic we see ourselves all as one, no such thing as race we just see ourselves as dominicans
we'er too mixed to be either or, we have alot of extremes on both ends but most of us are in the middle or more afro leaning, and many euro leaning