Dominican Arrested Twice for Deportation

[drstock]

My friend is Dominican born with a legal Dominican cedula. She is of Haitian descent and "looks" as if she could be Haitian. Twice in the last two weeks she has been arrested and jailed until the Chief came in to check her documents. The first time she was just passing the police station in Sabaneta and the second time she was getting off the guagua in Puerto Plata with her son whom she was taking for a medical analysis. This second time the son had to return home by himself in a guagua (without the analysis). On both occasions she was released after several hours of captivity crammed in with many Haitians in a disgusting cell.

I understand why the government wants the police to round up illegal immigrants for deportation, but surely the police shouldn't be allowed to arrest just anybody who has done nothing wrong has Spanish as a first language and has legal documents because of their looks.

 

[bachata]

Oh well, there we go again!!!

JJ

 

[bob saunders]

What is the problem, both times she was released and not deported. You do realize many Haitians speak Spanish and many have fake cedulas.

 

[malko]

What is the problem, both times she was released and not deported. You do realize many Haitians speak Spanish and many have fake cedulas.

lol.... what's the problem ?
Get back to us on that after you have been throwing in a stinky sell just because they dont like your looks and maybe--- just maybe-- your documents are false.


Anyhow if the police cant tell if a cedula is real or false than its a they problem not a me problem. Perhaps design cedulas that are harder to copy ? And/or give law enforcement the tools to check if a cedula is real ?

 

[bob saunders]

Like I said they catch Haitians with fake ID quite often. She is unfortunate to be of Haitian descent and when you upwards of a million plus illegal Haitians in the country she is going to get profiled. Question is how did she get a regular Dominican cedula. Is she a resident or citizen. If she is a citizen her cedula will say so. The DR isnt so advanced that the police all have instant access to the JCE database, or just maybe she has a smart mouth.

 

[SKY]

Like I said they catch Haitians with fake ID quite often. She is unfortunate to be of Haitian descent and when you upwards of a million plus illegal Haitians in the country she is going to get profiled. Question is how did she get a regular Dominican cedula. Is she a resident or citizen. If she is a citizen her cedula will say so. The DR isnt so advanced that the police all have instant access to the JCE database, or just maybe she has a smart mouth.

All she has to do if she is a citizen with a Cedula is turn it to the back where it says where you vote. That is PROOF of citizenship................

 

[bachata]

Something is not accurate 😃 she is descendants of Haitian parents but is Dominican.
I really don't get it, Haitians doesn't have Dominican sons.
DR and Haiti constitutions are clear, to be Dominican at least one of the parents must be Dominican.

JJ

 

[bob saunders]

All she has to do if she is a citizen with a Cedula is turn it to the back where it says where you vote. That is PROOF of citizenship................

Exactly, unless it is fake.

Something is not accurate 😃 she is descendants of Haitian parents but is Dominican.
I really don't get it, Haitians doesn't have Dominican sons.
DR and Haiti constitutions are clear, to be Dominican at least one of the parents must be Dominican.

JJ

If her parents were legal residents, then she would be Dominican if born in the DR. This girl is 100 Haitian descent, but she is legally Dominican. Adopted into a Dominican family. 

 

[NALs]

Something is not accurate 😃 she is descendants of Haitian parents but is Dominican.
I really don't get it, Haitians doesn't have Dominican sons.
DR and Haiti constitutions are clear, to be Dominican at least one of the parents must be Dominican.

JJ

Sorry Bachata, Haitians can have Dominican sons (or daughters.) What defines that is their migration status. Both parents have to be illegal to not be able to produce a Dominican offspring, but if both parents are Haitians and one is legal (say the father), the child is Dominican from birth if born in the DR and despite the mother is illegal and the kid is of 100% Haitian descent. This actually applies to everyone not just Haitians, thus the notion "Haitians don't have Dominican sons" is incorrect.

 

[NALs]

Exactly, unless it is fake.

If her parents were legal residents, then she would be Dominican if born in the DR. This girl is 100 Haitian descent, but she is legally Dominican. Adopted into a Dominican family. 

Be careful posting photos of people on the internet without their consent, especially if they are under the age of 18. This can become a legal issue in Dominican courts.

 

[Tom0910]

My ex girlfriend is a legal Dominican citizen with a Dominican cedula that states she is a Dominican citizen. Born in the DR with a Haitian father,she looks 100% Haitian. She has been picked up and held overnight many times,it is wrong,period.

 

[drstock]

Like I said they catch Haitians with fake ID quite often. She is unfortunate to be of Haitian descent and when you upwards of a million plus illegal Haitians in the country she is going to get profiled. Question is how did she get a regular Dominican cedula. Is she a resident or citizen. If she is a citizen her cedula will say so. The DR isnt so advanced that the police all have instant access to the JCE database, or just maybe she has a smart mouth.

Thank you for your sympathy to this poor girl and her son's plight. For your information she is a citizen and has a real Domincan cedula and a Dominican passport. Her son also has a Dominican passport, which she was carrying in case her first wrongful arrest was repeated. And do you really think she would have a "smart mouth" with the police after her first arrest? She's not that stupid. The first time she was arrested I saw the conditions she and the Haitians with here were held in and I would not wish it on you or anyone else. But maybe you should try getting yourself arrested and see for yourself.

 

[JD Jones]

Exactly, unless it is fake.

If her parents were legal residents, then she would be Dominican if born in the DR. This girl is 100 Haitian descent, but she is legally Dominican. Adopted into a Dominican family. 

A very uncommon exception.

 

[johne]

Two weeks ago I inadvertently stepped into one of these "round-ups" right in front of my building where two young men were running from the police. Police in a small pick-up truck and one or two motors right behind them. The police got out of cab, collarded
the two guys and put them in that back of the truck with about 4 or 5 others. All happened in a minute. There was/is NO asking for ID or checking civil rights issues . We live in the DR. We live with their rules. That's just the way it is.
Then, the strangest thing...police comes up to me and says something like- good morning, sorry about that and have a good day.

 

[bob saunders]

A very uncommon exception.

more common than you think. Back in the 1960-70s there were quite a number of Haitian children both officially and unofficially adopted by Dominicans.

 

[bob saunders]

Thank you for your sympathy to this poor girl and her son's plight. For your information she is a citizen and has a real Domincan cedula and a Dominican passport. Her son also has a Dominican passport, which she was carrying in case her first wrongful arrest was repeated. And do you really think she would have a "smart mouth" with the police after her first arrest? She's not that stupid. The first time she was arrested I saw the conditions she and the Haitians with here were held in and I would not wish it on you or anyone else. But maybe you should try getting yourself arrested and see for yourself.

I am not for or against. Immigration has a tough job. The foot soldiers do the arresting and let the higher ups sort it out. The girl whose picture I posted has never been arrested or even asked for ID. I have observed many Haitians being asked for ID and let go immediately upon showing legal status. She must have bad luck to run into asshole immigration agents.

 

[drstock]

I am not for or against. Immigration has a tough job. The foot soldiers do the arresting and let the higher ups sort it out. The girl whose picture I posted has never been arrested or even asked for ID. I have observed many Haitians being asked for ID and let go immediately upon showing legal status. She must have bad luck to run into asshole immigration agents.

Things have got much "hotter" in the last few weeks here on the north coast. I can't speak about other parts of the country, although I have heard there are similar mass round-ups in the San Pedro de Macoris area. In the past, Haitians with the correct ID were indeed let go. But my friend tells me she was locked up with Haitians who had current visas in their passports. These people were not released with her, but deported to Haiti, visa or no. The people doing the arresting are local police, not immigration agents. The Haitians are then held, sometimes for several days, until the next deportation bus comes.

 

[Astucia]

Things have got much "hotter" in the last few weeks here on the north coast. I can't speak about other parts of the country, although I have heard there are similar mass round-ups in the San Pedro de Macoris area. In the past, Haitians with the correct ID were indeed let go. But my friend tells me she was locked up with Haitians who had current visas in their passports. These people were not released with her, but deported to Haiti, visa or no. The people doing the arresting are local police, not immigration agents. The Haitians are then held, sometimes for several days, until the next deportation bus comes.

I have heard that the "deportation bus" scam on the North Coast is apparently well known and has been noted here in the past. The bus stops in a remote area (generally past Maimon) and those fortunate enough to have money pay up and are left stranded there.

 

[RDKNIGHT]

Thank you for your sympathy to this poor girl and her son's plight. For your information she is a citizen and has a real Domincan cedula and a Dominican passport. Her son also has a Dominican passport, which she was carrying in case her first wrongful arrest was repeated. And do you really think she would have a "smart mouth" with the police after her first arrest? She's not that stupid. The first time she was arrested I saw the conditions she and the Haitians with here were held in and I would not wish it on you or anyone else. But maybe you should try getting yourself arrested and see for yourself.

Yes ... you never understand how bad it is until you are put in the cell.... and not the gringo cell

 

[CristoRey]

Yes ... you never understand how bad it is until you are put in the cell.... and not the gringo cell

100% agreed.
Truat me.
It aint for the faint of heart.