Dominican citizens now need to show IDs to leave the country

[NALs]

Your first statement doesn't make sense. You don't require an American passport to enter the USA. A Canadian one or one from numerous other countries works just fine.

A US citizen can only enter the US with a US passport and they have to go through the immigration line(s) for US citizens. A person has no choice on this matter.

With a dual national, they can leave the other country by showing the other passport only and when they arrive in the US they must use the US passport. It’s essentially impossible for someone with US/other countries nationality to enter the US without a US passport.

 

[NALs]

I am confused...my in-laws have left the US with their Dominican passports; my son who has dual citizenship has left the US numerous times with his Dominican passport. Also, the passport you present at check-in is the passport information that is put into the airlines system. You are a US citizen (born/naturalized) whatever soil you are on.

And I have left the US showing the US passport and entered the DR showing the DR passport with no issue. If anything I’m even given preferential treatment in the DR which implies jumping the immigration line and later the lone after baggage claim (it kind of makes using autogate a moot point.)

 

[NALs]

You are not confused, just correct. Nals is drinking too much Rum...............

I can’t drink alcohol since I had the stroke.

 

[NALs]

Absolutely false. I have traveled many times from Miami and FLL checking in with my DR Passport and was NEVER asked for my US one. And as you know there is no custom clearance in the US. As for arriving yes I always use my US Passport.

I have left the US with the US passport and after the same flight entered the DR with the Dominican passport with never an issue. Not once showing or giving indications of having the other passport.

There is no custom clearance, but they do ask for the US passport and to look into the camera and it isn’t long until you are free to go.

 

[SKY]

I have left the US with the US passport and after the same flight entered the DR with the Dominican passport with never an issue. Not once showing or giving indications of having the other passport.

There is no custom clearance, but they do ask for the US passport and to look into the camera and it isn’t long until you are free to go.

What does this have to do with "the price of tea in China"? I am telling you I leave all the time with only showing my Dominican one. Of course I could leave with either one..............To be perfectly clear, you CAN leave the US to the DR on a direct flight with EITHER Passport............

 

[playacaribe2]

I am confused...my in-laws have left the US with their Dominican passports; my son who has dual citizenship has left the US numerous times with his Dominican passport. Also, the passport you present at check-in is the passport information that is put into the airlines system. You are a US citizen (born/naturalized) whatever soil you are on.

...And it is easy to get confused as the rules vary greatly from country to country and whether you arrive by air, land or sea.

Suffice to say you need a US passport when entering the US from the DR, or a Dominican passport with a Visa stamp, or a Dominican Passport along with a US permanent resident green card or a special waiver. It matters not what your DR passport indicates as your place of birth...it is totally irrelevant for admissibility documentation purposes.

You are a US citizen if born in the US...unless you have renounced your US citizenship, in which case you will need a foreign passport with a visa......unless coming from Canada or Mexico or other countries not requiring a visa to enter the US. Speaking of which, if you are a US citizen you may enter/exit the US by land with a passport card.....no passport needed.

And then there are all the requirements/rules for cruises, closed/open loop.

And then you can leave the US without a passport from any country (Voluntary departure) with DHS permission. (this is for those who entered illegally do not have a passport and wish to return home.) Easy to leave.....harder to get in.

There are lots and lots of rule specific exceptions.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[NALs]

What does this have to do with "the price of tea in China"? I am telling you I leave all the time with only showing my Dominican one. Of course I could leave with either one..............To be perfectly clear, you CAN leave the US to the DR on a direct flight with EITHER Passport............

Yes, the information of who you are is the same in the system regardless which passport is used, as it happens in the DR when leaving when they scan your Dominican passport.

Maybe I missed somewhere in the DR named Perth Amboy. lol

 

[webmacon]

The last time I flew out of the DR, there was a guy in front of me with dual nationality using his Dominican passport to leave and not the US one. The woman asked him if he has a visa to enter the USA. As if they have a hard time understanding the place of birth section which will always be the same regardless of the passport. Maybe there is a Dominican town somewhere named Perth Amboy, NJ, USA. He had to open his bag and get the American passport too.

I think they are robotic and simply ask/do the same given a certain situation, never think for a moment.

In this case I would need to defend the officer as I know of some people who became Dominican and lost their original citizenship in example german, even do they are still born there. Also know of two gringos who revoked their US citizenship, which then would require them to get a visa as I understand.

I always leave with my DR passport as I was told I have to do that and they always ask if I have my other one or a visa, seems logic to me.

 

[NALs]

In this case I would need to defend the officer as I know of some people who became Dominican and lost their original citizenship in example german, even do they are still born there.

That’s the case with countries that don’t recognize dual nationality with the US. The DR was like that for a long time and then it was changed. It doesn’t apply to the DR.

Also know of two gringos who revoked their US citizenship, which then would require them to get a visa as I understand.

Those are the people that aren’t required to enter the US with a US passport for obvious reason.

I always leave with my DR passport as I was told I have to do that and they always ask if I have my other one or a visa, seems logic to me.

Apparently, the info in the system isn’t the same, but it’s when traveling from the US to the DR, hence doesn’t matter which passport is used.

 

[Notengo]

And another DR thread turned into a US thread.

 

[SKY]

Bottom line here for Dual US and DR citizens:

Going from the DR to the US you use your US Passport.
Going from the US to the DR you can use either one..........Rest of info here is a waste of band width....

 

[bob saunders]

...And it is easy to get confused as the rules vary greatly from country to country and whether you arrive by air, land or sea.

Suffice to say you need a US passport when entering the US from the DR, or a Dominican passport with a Visa stamp, or a Dominican Passport along with a US permanent resident green card or a special waiver. It matters not what your DR passport indicates as your place of birth...it is totally irrelevant for admissibility documentation purposes.

You are a US citizen if born in the US...unless you have renounced your US citizenship, in which case you will need a foreign passport with a visa......unless coming from Canada or Mexico or other countries not requiring a visa to enter the US. Speaking of which, if you are a US citizen you may enter/exit the US by land with a passport card.....no passport needed.

And then there are all the requirements/rules for cruises, closed/open loop.

And then you can leave the US without a passport from any country (Voluntary departure) with DHS permission. (this is for those who entered illegally do not have a passport and wish to return home.) Easy to leave.....harder to get in.

There are lots and lots of rule specific exceptions.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

unless of course you are not an American citizen and carry the passport of another country.

 

[La Profe_1]

Let's get back to the thread topic, please.

 

[josh2203]

And another DR thread turned into a US thread.

Exactly what I was thinking... Thanks for pointing this out...

To be honest, I really don't mind this, as a fact, most expats in the DR, I think, are Americans, and I have no problem following this thread either, it's interesting. I was just surprised in the other thread how quickly I was talking too much of the EU...

 

[playacaribe2]

Let's get back to the thread topic, please.

I am attempting to get an answer from the head of migration as to why/what, but at this point it is speculation (national security?)

Is this emanating from potential new changes coming from the post US election...we just do not know at this point.

But the larger question is, does trying to stifle discussions on why/how a matter may clearly impact the majority of travel by DR citizens, which is primarily to the US, disingenuous.

A lot of great information has been posted here over the years not even directly related to the topic(s) at hand, but so many of those posters with their collective wisdom have left because of over moderation on issues and under moderation on personal attacks, and instead of moderators deleting the rogue post(s), good threads are closed entirely.

Your board your rules, but it is time someone said the obvious out loud.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[bob saunders]

I am attempting to get an answer from the head of migration as to why/what, but at this point it is speculation (national security?)

Is this emanating from potential new changes coming from the post US election...we just do not know at this point.

But the larger question is, does trying to stifle discussions on why/how a matter may clearly impact the majority of travel by DR citizens, which is primarily to the US, disingenuous.

A lot of great information has been posted here over the years not even directly related to the topic(s) at hand, but so many of those posters with their collective wisdom have left because of over moderation on issues and under moderation on personal attacks, and instead of moderators deleting the rogue post(s), good threads are closed entirely.

Your board your rules, but it is time someone said the obvious out loud.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

What possible impact on Dominican citizens that can afford to travel? All have cedulas. Occasionally while in the bank there will be a customer at the bank doing a transaction that requires a cedula. No cedula, no transaction.

 

[playacaribe2]

What possible impact on Dominican citizens that can afford to travel? All have cedulas.

Yes, they likely do have cedulas.

But you have been around long enough to know that a great many of those cedulas were gotten by means outside the legal system, perhaps with help inside the system.

There is obviously a reason as to why they now may need to show them, it is just that the reason is, at this point, speculative.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[SKY]

Yes, they likely do have cedulas.

But you have been around long enough to know that a great many of those cedulas were gotten by means outside the legal system, perhaps with help inside the system.

There is obviously a reason as to why they now may need to show them, it is just that the reason is, at this point, speculative.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

So what reason then to accept a copy and not the "real" one if this is for security. Not to mention photos on your phone and anything else that can easily be forged............

 

[playacaribe2]

So what reason then to accept a copy and not the "real" one if this is for security. Not to mention photos on your phone and anything else that can easily be forged............

Perhaps to make sure the information in the cedula is the same as the passport or that the cedula is actually in the system. In which case a copy might suffice for that determination.

I have seen so many forged documents in the DR over the years from cedulas to passports to drivers licenses to land titles to matriculas to birth certificates.

Right now and until further clarification they are putting the requirement forth as national security.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[AlterEgo]

Perhaps to make sure the information in the cedula is the same as the passport or that the cedula is actually in the system. In which case a copy might suffice for that determination.

I have seen so many forged documents in the DR over the years from cedulas to passports to drivers licenses to land titles to matriculas to birth certificates.

Right now and until further clarification they are putting the requirement forth as national security.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

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