snake, i am 70 years old, and pay my own bills. that qualifies me to decide on the hierarchy of my discontents.
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Dominican Color/Racial Preference Findings
snake, i am 70 years old, and pay my own bills. that qualifies me to decide on the hierarchy of my discontents.
So two, one of which is no longer in existance. Yep sounds like a lot, not. Sounds like isolated incidents.
bob saunders, i do not have time to waste trying to remember all the instances i have read about, and all the clubs that have been cited, in press reports. if the list is not up to your liking, i could care less. this is nothing new, and, if i did not have more meaningful pursuits on my day's agenda, than trying to satisfy your inquest, i would certainly give a more exhaustive list. it is just not that important to me. besides, bob saunders, what if they were isolated incidents? did i assert that they were coordinated?
Actually you are just a grumpy old bstd always looking for something to complain about. My experiences and observations are the the USA is far more racist than the DR, as are Americans, but obviously not all, so I'll not tar all with the same brush.
I've discussed this issue many times from my perspective of a gringo living here and listening to conversations over many years etc and the fact that I grew up in a very racist state in the US. While there are certain similarities that might lead a Westerner one to think that what is seen in the DR with regard to the topic at hand is there are plenty of contrasts that don't fit. Here are some comparisons between the two:
1. White racists in the US will often talk about how blacks are ruining the country and even claim they are subhuman. Many Dominicans will say that the Haitian's are ruining the DR and that the Haitian culture is primitive, however they don't lament that very dark Dominicans are ruining the country or that they are subhuman. Still, even the latter criticism has waned imo given the outpouring of support after the earthquake.
2. White racists would never secretly talk about how they like black women and would never intermarry; Strom Thurmond is a perfect example. Most Dominican men of all colors can appreciate a "morena" with a "cuerpazo" as they say and Dominicans have been intermarrying for over 500 years.
3. White racists would never accept a family member that intermarried, while some white Dominicans may protest if their children marry a moreno I believe there are very few cases relatively speaking where they were rejected by the family.
4. Many AA in the States feel rightly slighted by slavery and prejudice and because of this have a tendency to believe any issues like in the case of the DR and Haiti is classic white man vs black man. There were very few Dominican blacks who were slaves and were outnumbered by free black men so there isn't a consensus in the DR among dark people that the whites are trying to dominate them. Furthermore, the largely pure Sub Saharan race Haitians occupied the DR and killed many of it's citizen, many whites and mulattoes, and tried to eliminate their culture forcibly. Therefore, there still is an underlying consensus that Dominicans cannot trust Haitians similar to the way many AA feel regarding their fellow white citizens.
Furthermore, since Dominicans are by far of mixed "race"(there is only one race of course) and have a Spanish heritage they will naturally lean toward giving favor to that part of their heritage if not completely ignoring the African component. The latter isn't difficult to see why from a Dominican point of view based on the following observations. One, Dominicans celebrate their independence from Haiti every year and are constantly reminded of how poor and disastrous is their neighbor country. Two, Haiti is considered a connection to Africa, which unfortunately has had very few positive reports over the decades about it's culture or advances or fine cities but mostly about war, famine, strife and very primitive living by European standards.
Finally, some have noted here in the past that Dominicans need to forget their troubled past with Haiti and the violent occupation while ironically maintaining that AA's in the States have every right to never forget slavery. I think anyone who holds to this point of view has little subjectivity regarding this matter.
1. White racists in the US will often talk about how blacks are ruining the country and even claim they are subhuman. Many Dominicans will say that the Haitian's are ruining the DR and that the Haitian culture is primitive, however they don't lament that very dark Dominicans are ruining the country or that they are subhuman. Still, even the latter criticism has waned imo given the outpouring of support after the earthquake.
2. White racists would never secretly talk about how they like black women and would never intermarry; Strom Thurmond is a perfect example. Most Dominican men of all colors can appreciate a "morena" with a "cuerpazo" as they say and Dominicans have been intermarrying for over 500 years.
3. White racists would never accept a family member that intermarried, while some white Dominicans may protest if their children marry a moreno I believe there are very few cases relatively speaking where they were rejected by the family.
4. Many AA in the States feel rightly slighted by slavery and prejudice and because of this have a tendency to believe any issues like in the case of the DR and Haiti is classic white man vs black man. There were very few Dominican blacks who were slaves and were outnumbered by free black men so there isn't a consensus in the DR among dark people that the whites are trying to dominate them. Furthermore, the largely pure Sub Saharan race Haitians occupied the DR and killed many of it's citizen, many whites and mulattoes, and tried to eliminate their culture forcibly. Therefore, there still is an underlying consensus that Dominicans cannot trust Haitians similar to the way many AA feel regarding their fellow white citizens.
Furthermore, since Dominicans are by far of mixed "race"(there is only one race of course) and have a Spanish heritage they will naturally lean toward giving favor to that part of their heritage if not completely ignoring the African component. The latter isn't difficult to see why from a Dominican point of view based on the following observations. One, Dominicans celebrate their independence from Haiti every year and are constantly reminded of how poor and disastrous is their neighbor country. Two, Haiti is considered a connection to Africa, which unfortunately has had very few positive reports over the decades about it's culture or advances or fine cities but mostly about war, famine, strife and very primitive living by European standards.
Finally, some have noted here in the past that Dominicans need to forget their troubled past with Haiti and the violent occupation while ironically maintaining that AA's in the States have every right to never forget slavery. I think anyone who holds to this point of view has little subjectivity regarding this matter.
I have a question for you. Why do you LOVE Dominicans so much? I would never call Dominicans racist because I do not think they are. What Dominicans are is CONFUSED, MIXED UP, and CLUELESS in regard to who they are. You can never compare a Dominican to an American under any circumstance.
Americans are taught at a young age to have a DREAM and GOALS. Dominicans are taught to try to get to the USA to have that same DREAM awarded to Americans.
Well, I'm 30, and this much I can tell you: The day this state denies me the right to choose the person whom I will be passing the rest of my life with, that will be the day in which this state will lose my allegiance, forever. I couldn't care less about what rich people here do or not on their private establishments, since there are better places where to spend my money on this city, anyway.
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first of all , i do not care about the racism in the USA, in this thread. you want to discuss that issue, open a separate thread. besides, why mention racism in the USA, as if that is the only other country in the world which experiences that malady? you think Canada is any better? the only difference is that in America it is in your face. in Canada, they spill beer on you, then offer you a box of Kleenex to dry off.
Well young man, I live in an area where there is so much multi-ethnic marriage that the children have at least two cultures if not more. In my experiences within the Dominican family I've married into there seems to be no bias towards colour/religion/race....etc. They don't hate Haitians and they are all colours of the rainbow within the family. They have no illusions of whom they are- they are Dominicans of mixed racial heritage. They don't carry the baggage that Americans seem to, and either do I.
Not in my family and not where I come from. Not to say there aren't a few racist people or rednecks.
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Maybe my eyes are playing tricks with me. Nothing else can explain why I see what others don’t.
I couldn't find any albums of the other "racist" club, Bella Blu, but it would had probably been of no use since I would had probably seen what others ignore in order to continue with their "DR is the most racist place" agenda.
Classist I understand since it is pervasive, but racist? Well, not quite.
As everybody else, I have my opinion: racism is a very complex issue, and an issue that hurts badly, not just an intellectual debate.
My personal experience -which is only mine- is that Dominican people don't speak and behave with foreigners as they do with locals. This is true even with foreigners speaking spanish. A Dominican speaking in a foreign language with a foreigner has a double bias. Not a problem on simple issue, but on racism, which is much about words..
Nobody says that a foreigner not speaking spanish is a piece of trash, or can't have an opinion. But Chip also has the right to think that's it's difficult to have a fair insight into a country mentality if you don't speak the language, and I see no need to use name calling for that, even if he -sort of- gets paid for some previous posts..
If you ask me about the best motorcycle for DR, I have my opinion, it's the Protozoar 750 double helicoidal turbine. If you don't trust me, ask Cobraboy.
Also, Chip, admittedly, speaking spanish doesn't necessarily give you a real understanding, and you have your own bias(es). If I'm a dumb ass, i'm a dumb ass, no matter if I speak french, english or spanish. Not saying that you're a dumb ass.
Again, just my 2 cents on a free board:smoke:
Barnab?
I don't know what you see, I just opened the two links above, and what stroke me on the Praia link is all these beautiful-young-WHITE people, which is not like the Cool bar pictures, which I saw after.
Maybe my PC screen is playing tricks with me.
Barnab?
@NALS I used to run in a group of people in the capi that was mostly white dominicans, one of the girls had a boyfriend who was a moreno, we ALWAYS had to change our plans when he was with us, because it was a given that he wouldnt be allowed at any of those higher end spots. He got rejected on the regular. I saw p diddy at praia once though, Ive seen a few darker skinned people but its the exception
Depends, for Jarabacoa yes, for PP, no. The two nigt clubs posted seem to have different clientile. Not a true blonde amougst them.
It depends on the province one is speaking about. They might be representative of the Central Cibao, but not of Saman? and the East.
P.S.: Yes, I know you meant it ironically, but the fact is that the DR is far from being an homogeneous country in looks.