Dominican friends planning retirement

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bienamor

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If they are over 65 except for Universal they can forget Health Ins. here! Even a short flight to Miami or San Juan is too far in an emergency. Ask me I know. Medicare will not cover them outside the USA, except if they have an emergency an the Mexican or Canadian hospital is closer than the nearest US hospital, that does not mean they can live outside the US, and use Mexican or Canadian hospitals in lieu of US hospitals. I am assuming that they are 65 or over if they are questioning Medicare.


Basic Medicare Facts for Americans Abroad :: American Citizens Abroad (ACA)
Basic Medicare Facts for Americans Abroad

NOTE: Information below only touches on a few points of this very complex subject. The Medicare website (Medicare.gov: the official U.S. government site for Medicare) is a rich source of information and personalized advice.

If you already live abroad, you should consult with the Federal Benefits Unit of the American embassy in the country where you reside for personalized advice. They have direct access to the Social Security files, and have experience with problems specific to people residing outside the US. Website links to American embassies worldwide can be found at Home | USEmbassy.gov.

The single most basic fact is that you are not covered by Medicare while living abroad (with very rare exceptions). That said, you may still need to consider enrolling in one or more parts of Medicare.

Basic rules on qualifying for coverage

Workers (and spouses of workers) who have contributed at least 40 quarters (10 years) to Social Security are eligible for Medicare coverage at age 65 even if Social Security "full retirement age" is more than 65 years.

Individuals who are eligible for railroad retirement benefits, or who have worked long enough in a federal, state, or local government jobs can also qualify for coverage.

Certain other categories of individuals (such as those on Social Security disability) may qualify for one or more parts of Medicare earlier than 65 or under certain conditions.

For greater detail on qualifying for Medicare, see: http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/400/~/how-to-qualify-for-medicare


Basic rules on non-coverage abroad

In most cases, Medicare won't pay for health care or supplies you get outside the US.

There are a few narrow exceptions to this rule:
? When a foreign hospital is nearer than the nearest US hospital to:

o The place in the US where you have a medical emergency, or
o Your home, for treatment of your medical condition (regardless of whether it is an emergency)

? You are traveling through Canada between Alaska and another state when a medical emergency occurs, and a Canadian hospital is closer than the nearest US hospital that can treat your illness/injury.

? Medically-necessary health care services on a cruise ship which is no more than 6 hours away from a US port.


For greater detail on these exceptions, see: http://www.medicare.gov/Publications/pubs/pdf/11037.pdf
 

windeguy

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I was recently told that no insurance company will take you after 65. Are you saying Universal is the one exception?
 

JohnnyBoy

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So the rub in this situation is that your friends cannot afford medical insurance if they leave the USA. And if they stay in the USA they cannot afford to retire. It would seem that if they could get monthly rent of 175 US. they shouldnt have a problem squirreling away a few grand for emergency flights.

Chip I would be careful about renting to two people without funds. They may be your friends but this seems to me to be the beginning to a typical DR story.
 

DRob

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Drob don't you think that 2xmedian is doable? It is thin but the housing is less than 20% and Dominican food is a lot less than gringo food. Seriously.

It is unclear to me how an annuity boosts income.

Tom,

An annuity is sort of like "reverse life insurance," in which you pay a lump sum of money to an insurance company, in exchange for which you are paid a set monthly amount for either a set term or life.

Think of it as a sort of pension program in which you make one large payment into, instead of a portion of your paycheck over a period of decades. In certain cases, it can be an excellent tool for retirement planning, so long as you understand the management fees can be significant (between 2.5 and 4% per year).
 

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i think the question of the OP was sufficiently addressed. i will only add that MA mentioned that only universal will insure over 65 year olds, i believe she researched it well. a basic insurance plan will be enough to cover emergencies. 1k budget is enough for simple life but leaves no room for error such as flying to the states in case of more serious health issues (providing the flight is permitted).

good luck to the couple.
 

windeguy

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I just asked our Universal agent and she said they only take clients over 65 if they have bought the insurance before they are 64.5, so after 65 nope they don't do it.

In other words, nobody takes people into insurance after the age of 65. That is what I was also told when a tenant of ours was getting his insurance at the age of 64+ and he had to hurry to finish up and get it quickly.

I then was asked by a friend recently and called our agent and she confirmed that since he was over 65 he could not get insurance.
 

bob saunders

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Chip, you have posted your character reference on DR1. You are condescending and arrogant. Your religious agenda and political agenda do not belong here.

You have confirmed it is a fake story so like I said: get lost!

MODERATORS!!! :.....

How about you get lost. Chip asked a question and you have nothing on value to add. Have you been drinking?
 

Chip

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So the rub in this situation is that your friends cannot afford medical insurance if they leave the USA. And if they stay in the USA they cannot afford to retire. It would seem that if they could get monthly rent of 175 US. they shouldnt have a problem squirreling away a few grand for emergency flights.

Chip I would be careful about renting to two people without funds. They may be your friends but this seems to me to be the beginning to a typical DR story.

Fortunately they are in relatively good health so even if they don't have health insurance they could probably handle the medical expenses.

As far as renting to them, I appreciate the advice but honestly if one can't depend on friends and family life loses a lot of meaning so I'm willing to risk it.
 

windeguy

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Some people would be absolutely paranoid without medical insurance. So make sure they are not among that group.
 

windeguy

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Tom,

An annuity is sort of like "reverse life insurance," in which you pay a lump sum of money to an insurance company, in exchange for which you are paid a set monthly amount for either a set term or life.

Think of it as a sort of pension program in which you make one large payment into, instead of a portion of your paycheck over a period of decades. In certain cases, it can be an excellent tool for retirement planning, so long as you understand the management fees can be significant (between 2.5 and 4% per year).

An annuity can be set up to invest in a wide selection of funds, so the principal can appreciate and you can get step ups in the amount you withdraw should the investments appreciate. As long as you don't withdraw more than the percentage normally provided by the annuity, you won't decrease your principal because of the withdrawals if they are started at the proper age (except for those potentially high fees which you are hoping are offset by your wise choice of underlying investments). Good luck to them. It is hard to be "on the edge".
 

Africaida

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BTW, they have a house with possibly 40-50k in equity in Orlando but will have a hard time paying the mortgage after the husband would go on SS.

Excuse my ignorance....

Before health insurance and annuity...isn't it the first thing that should be addressed ?
Can they relocate/move if they have a mortgage to pay ?
 

bob saunders

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Excuse my ignorance....

Before health insurance and annuity...isn't it the first thing that should be addressed ?
Can they relocate/move if they have a mortgage to pay ?

As long as you're making the payments you can move out of your house. I assume that they would still be paying for it until sold. Not sure of the location in Orlando but if they rented it out, hopefully the rental income would cover the mortgage and property taxes.
As far as health Insurance , if they are under 65 they should apply for Health Insurance in the DR prior to actually moving here. Then if they decide the USA is too expensive they will already have their coverage here. The cost should not be prohibitive, and if they decide to stay stateside they can always cancel it. Worth thinking about.
 

Chip

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Excuse my ignorance....

Before health insurance and annuity...isn't it the first thing that should be addressed ?
Can they relocate/move if they have a mortgage to pay ?

They have to sell the house because their income won't be sufficient to pay the mortgage and their expenses. They have the option of buying a small house or apartment with maybe 40k or coming to the DR.

BTW, you think the $175 I am asking for rent, etc is too much? From what I've seen in my area for a house with 110M2 is around US270 a month.
 

Chip

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Some people would be absolutely paranoid without medical insurance. So make sure they are not among that group.

You are right but since they grew up in the DR and moved to the US in their 20's they weren't indoctrinated with that concept. :) In fact they don't even speak English.
 

Africaida

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They have to sell the house because their income won't be sufficient to pay the mortgage and their expenses. They have the option of buying a small house or apartment with maybe 40k or coming to the DR.

BTW, you think the $175 I am asking for rent, etc is too much? From what I've seen in my area for a house with 110M2 is around US270 a month.

Thanks for the clarification.

No, not at all, not knowing Santiago, it appears so little (I just spend $100 in quick trip at the supermarket yesterday, lol)
 

bob saunders

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Annuities are GREAT, but for the agents that sell them, who get lots of commissions. I have read many articles about annuities and as a rule they say that they are poor investments, because the return on capital tends to be pitifully small, and then they deduct commissions. They tend to pay around 3% after all the commissions.

If I did want an annuity, I would seek out TIAA-CREF before messing with any commission salespersons. TIAA-CREF is essentially nonprofit and their agents are salaried.

Whenever buying anything, always avoid commissions whenever possible. A commission adds nothing to any investment.

A $100,000 annuity (RIFF) will normally only give you a return of 5-600 dollars per month so you need to have quit a bit invested to get enough to live off.
 
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Banks here in Miami take out full-page ads to tell us of the splendidly generous 1% to 1.5% they will pay in interest, yet there are dozens of bond funds that pay several times as much, and you can buy and sell them with no commission any time to get the urge.
 
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