Dominicanisation of Haiti/Haitians

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Greydead,

You, too, are incorrect. Regueton is from Puerto Rico rather reggae en espanol is the home of beautiful Panama. I was sadden to find it hard to find a good salsa night club in Puerto Rico where reguedumb venues were everywhere.

Haiti will never ever become dominicanized rather it's influence will play a role and vice versa this little taboo has been going on for a very long time. Neither Haitians nor Dominicans want to admit this. I am sadden with the big baseball caps and colourful
sneakers basically American subculture. The world is doomed with this globalization mess.

Salsa birthplace is NYC not Puerto Rico.

 

[Jeepito]

Actually, it's a fusion between dancehall reggae topped off with urban Latin lyrics. The forerunners were El General (Panamanian) and Noriega from Capone and Noriega here in the US. This, obviously, is before the likes of Daddy Yankee.

I remembered El General here in Brooklyn hanging out with Jamaicans and learning the patois and the music itself. He ran with it back to Panama and across Latin America. Even the genre "Dembow" is dancehall Jamaican reggae. The original, of course, being the great Shabba Ranks (Jamaican).

Those were the days "trailer loads"

 

[Quisqueya]

Salsa birthplace is NYC not Puerto Rico.

I prefer to say the birth place is Cuba which became popular in NYC. There's a lot of debate regarding the birthplace of these type of music but regueton is the worst genre of music in my opinion. Isn't Noruega the rapper that had a track "what what".. I have to say this the worst noise/junk ever to come out of the urban youth. Now get back to the topic s'il vous plait..merci

 

[delite]

Those were the days "trailer loads"

You're right, those were the good old days. I actually grew up and contributed greatly to this era of music by staging many parties in the halls and clubs in NYC.

The term, "Dembow", is actually a pejorative word in Jamaican patois. It signifies someone participating in illicit sexual acts.
I am not a fan of reggaeton or Dembow because the beats are monotonous : only the lyrics are different.

The youths of the world gravitate and add their flavor to music depending on their specific cultures. This is healthy because music paints a screen of the scene in any specific era of civilization.

 

[delite]

I prefer to say the birth place is Cuba which became popular in NYC. There's a lot of debate regarding the birthplace of these type of music but regueton is the worst genre of music in my opinion. Isn't Noruega the rapper that had a track "what what".. I have to say this the worst noise/junk ever to come out of the urban youth. Now get back to the topic s'il vous plait..merci

Yeah that's him, but that was a hip-hop track. Noriega's roots is Puerto Rican and he was the first here in New York that did a reggaeton track and introduced it to PR.

I am not a fan of it either but maybe I am showing my age.

 

[greydread]

Greydead,

You, too, are incorrect. Regueton is from Puerto Rico rather reggae en espanol is the home of beautiful Panama. I was sadden to find it hard to find a good salsa night club in Puerto Rico where reguedumb venues were everywhere.

Haiti will never ever become dominicanized rather it's influence will play a role and vice versa this little taboo has been going on for a very long time. Neither Haitians nor Dominicans want to admit this. I am sadden with the big baseball caps and colourful
sneakers basically American subculture. The world is doomed with this globalization mess.

Yes, I've heard the theory that reggaeton was born in Puerto Rico as well but as far as the indicators that I've seen go, they point straight to Panama. Just like Colombians try to claim Salsa.....no Sir, it came straight out of the Boogeydown (Bronx) and migrated throughout Latin America.

I agree that the Haitian influence will not be as interdependent with the rest of the Americas (including the D.R.) as it will be with the francophone World, most of which is in the other Hemisphere. Unfortunately they also seem to have succumbed to the American subculture. I was watching music videos on The Africa Channel earlier in the week until the rump shakers came on turned it into VH1 with an accent. Sheesh! All over the World it seems like to get away from the Air Jordan/ drawers hanging out of your pants sub-counter-culture you've got to go so far back up into the bush that you might never make it back out.

Food, schmood. Whoever corners the "hair weave" and athletic wear markets in Haiti is going to become a Gazillionaire!

 

[diable410]

I prefer to say the birth place is Cuba which became popular in NYC. There's a lot of debate regarding the birthplace of these type of music but regueton is the worst genre of music in my opinion. Isn't Noruega the rapper that had a track "what what".. I have to say this the worst noise/junk ever to come out of the urban youth. Now get back to the topic s'il vous plait..merci

Geez. Thanks for getting that song stuck in my head.

 

[H.concience]

Yes but most of the dominican new style reggeaton you people including me think of as a butload of crap is called dembow.

What you do is take the same old tune they allways use , pick a word or 2 repeat it on that beat and thats it bro you got yourself the new hit.

Reggeaton started it panama actualy

Dembow reggeaton sucks but reggeaton in general sometimes has some good tunes it depends. And yes people used to call the reggeaton beat dembow before but out here its the new dominican treasure they love so much . I do like 2 songs or so you got to speak spanish / dominican street spanish to understand the humor behind it.

 

[vacanodr]

We always hear in the Dominican media talk about the Haitianazacion de la Rep. Dom. Well, I would like to turn the table an discuss the Dominicanisation of Haiti and Haitians. One can not circulate through the main arteries of Port-au-Prince/Petionville without the resonate sound "bing bing bing bing" of bachata music shelling out haut-parleurs. Driving down the Avenues, Bourdon, it's hard to miss billboards of Bachata Artist playing at the many Latino venues around town. Driving from la ville to Petionville it is hard to miss El Presidente biere signs. Domincan flags are wrapped around the marchandes head to protect/ hold their rolos from moving as she sells pollo frito to the clients craving for poul panyol byen fet. The sounds of dominican vernacular Po' ta bien..'ta bien y tu? .. Dominican drivers attempting to speak kreyol/french but converts to Spanish as many of his passengers speak Spanish. The sound of relief "Ay gracia' tu habla' e'panol." The Dominican salons packed with las morenas chatting about their estad?a en Saint Domingue. Dominican Spanish, kreyol interchangeably used as mode of communication without a moment of lack of comprehension. Let's not mention the cafes which are dominated by fanm panyol who if lucky finds a pendej! who confesses her to retire from the oldest profession in the world because she's a muchacha buena. Dominican culture/language has dominicanized many Haitians.

I am very exposed to the Haitian culture. I had very close Haitian friends for many years and we would talk a lot and they would share their culture with me. They are not African Americans. They are not Dominicans. They are blacks who are very open to new cultures and ways of life. They are almost like sponged that absorb cultures and copy from people and master new ways of life. They are able to adapt quickly and easily to new ways. Haitians bump heads with African Americans and Dominicans on this one. They do not stay listening to music in ghettos and things like that and act lazy. They do not say Haitians do this and stick to some set way of life. They are super sophisticated blacks who pride education, maturity and copying from other cultures. You can find Haitians speaking any language, listening to any type of music and acting like any culture. That is their pride.

 

[delite]

Wow, Haitians are not African American or Dominican. I do hope Haitians are Haitians )

 

[GWOZOZO]

I have witnessed Cap-Haitien over the past 15 years slowly morphing into an "almost Dominican" town. Now girls are wearing tight jeans and doing their hairs, guys are driving motorbikes and "conchoing"... You can definitely get the feel. In every tap-tap I use, there's always a guy asking me something in Spanish. Me depi m'pale anpil Kreyol, it makes everybody laughs when I answer in Cr?ole ;-)

So now tight jeans, doing hairs, and motorbikes are a sign of dominicanisation....lol...lol I guess all of the third world from negro Africa to south asia is being dominicanised.

That makes no sense.

 

[Quisqueya]

Le p'tit zozo,

I know your stance regarding Dominicans but we can not ignore the influence of their culture upon our culture. How many times have you seen the dance floor crowded with Haitian people dancing when a Bachata song comes on. I assume Squat was demonstrating the simple things that have influenced Haitians in Haiti. It is quite normal as le va et vient of our compatriots is high frequency. Now will we become Dominicans?...jamais... and quite frankly, why would we want to..It's not like a Dominican passport can get our compatriots off the island. I will reiterate this is about culture influence not us wanting to be Dominicans or African Americans as someone one went left field with their post. I would like to also emphasize that African Americans are the reason why all of us including the European immigrants have it so easy in the USA. People that tend to stereotypes AA migrated to poor communities. I can assure there are many hardworking African Americans. Anyway that's for another thread. The influence is there also with the Dominicans that were born and raised in Haiti are Haitainized...

 

[GWOZOZO]

Le p'tit zozo,

I know your stance regarding Dominicans but we can not ignore the influence of their culture upon our culture. How many times have you seen the dance floor crowded with Haitian people dancing when a Bachata song comes on. I assume Squat was demonstrating the simple things that have influenced Haitians in Haiti. It is quite normal as le va et vient of our compatriots is high frequency. Now will we become Dominicans?...jamais... and quite frankly, why would we want to..It's not like a Dominican passport can get our compatriots off the island. I will reiterate this is about culture influence not us wanting to be Dominicans or African Americans as someone one went left field with their post. I would like to also emphasize that African Americans are the reason why all of us including the European immigrants have it so easy in the USA. People that tend to stereotypes AA migrated to poor communities. I can assure there are many hardworking African Americans. Anyway that's for another thread. The influence is there also with the Dominicans that were born and raised in Haiti are Haitainized...

Kiskeya, Haitians dance to all kind of music......soukous...techno...salsa.....pop....anything.

Squat did not make sense...because tight jeans....doing hair...are not only done in DR....it's done everywhere.

wrong...the European immigrants would have it easy AAs or no AAs.

I am in Haiti as we speak and what I see is Americanization.....third world style......the same thing you will see in Kingston...lagos...Abidjan...and other places.

I went to Barack and Jet set in petyon ville and did not hear any bachata.......I listened to the airwaves and I did not hear any bachata.

this dominicanisation is in your mind Kiskeya.

 

[Quisqueya]

Gwozozo,

Oh la la..mon cher let's drop this as you don't see it. Have fun in Haiti...Barak club is a place to go just to be seen been there done that to much ONG workers for my taste.. En tout k, enjoy your time home..head to Pizza Garden in Petionville..nice place to hang out. No matter what when I hear kompas it makes me want to grab a belle ti creole and dance all night..I will be there in December..An nou promouvwa pays nou na fe pi byen... And please do tell how the new direction changes on the road is making out..

[video=youtube;DQZ9eI0AdB4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQZ9eI0AdB4[/video]

 

[GWOZOZO]

lol....aight Kiskeya...let's agree to disagree on that one.

A lot of work is being done in petyonvil....especially the sidewalks.

The new directions are way overdue.......problem is they have not posted any temporary signs....one day it's a two way...next morning it's a one way street.

They are handing outs maps to drivers and have traffic police directing folks.

The redone Place Boyer is packed especially at night.

The jalouzi paint job looks much better than I expected.

All this work should give Haiti one "modern centre ville" worthy of that title.

BTW: the Best Western Premier is the best......Oasis has some catching up to do.

 

[GWOZOZO]

I could not bear to listen to that video of Klass.

Today's Konpa is incredibly terrible.....it is lazy....mediocre...and puts you to sleep not in a good way.....just simply annoying.

Twoubadou and Vaudou-Rock/Racine and old school konpa is where it's at. Even Raboday is better.

 

[Quisqueya]

Gwo,

I was there not too long ago and witness the progress. I confess, that I was weary of President Martelly but his administration is doing there best with what they have and also dealing with the opposition who prefer to send Haiti en arriere. The Oasis is over rated and the view of Jalousie is colourful but are those homes safe and meet building codes. Mwen pa panse sa. I have to pass place boyer to get home so I saw the young crowd hanging around there very late night..

I love troubadour and only listen to racine music during carnival time. I agree Kompas isn't what it use to be but mwen resigner mwen ak sa mwen jwenn...

but please tell me you like this..it's a hit in the francophone mizik tropikal..being Haitian is indeed a blessing.

[video=youtube;sZhVFf4Pkvc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZhVFf4Pkvc[/video]

 

[GWOZOZO]

Gwo,

I was there not too long ago and witness the progress. I confess, that I was weary of President Martelly but his administration is doing there best with what they have and also dealing with the opposition who prefer to send Haiti en arriere. The Oasis is over rated and the view of Jalousie is colourful but are those homes safe and meet building codes. Mwen pa panse sa. I have to pass place boyer to get home so I saw the young crowd hanging around there very late night..

I love troubadour and only listen to racine music during carnival time. I agree Kompas isn't what it use to be but mwen resigner mwen ak sa mwen jwenn...

but please tell me you like this..it's a hit in the francophone mizik tropikal..being Haitian is indeed a blessing.

Actually the opposition has some points and is doing its job keeping the administration in check.

Martelly is simply continuing the Preval/International plan for Haiti based on attracting foreign investments.

Most of the projects were initiated or started by Preval...but Martelly want to claim credit for everything.

He is an entertainer and was chosen by the international for his showmanship...and to allow the plan to continue.

The road works are good...but as a menber the elite told me...they are not really seeing the progress required/needed.

The good thing is that with the UN on the ground.... there will not be any coups and maybe the needed investment will come.


BTW: That R&B/Konpa by t-vice is nothing to write home about.

You want music...check this out.....post them for me...here are the links.


The Haitian original:

T-Vice feat Robert Martino - Espoir Live Zenith Paris 2006 - YouTube



The recent Dominican remake:

[nouveaut? clip kompa 2012] LAS CHICAS LATINAS - ESPOIR (Robert Martino) - YouTube