Dominicans and their ancestry

[atienoor]

Controversy

I guess for me what adds a spark to this debate is not tell Dominicans that they are black, but why most Dominicans will go out of their way to treat black people as doormats.

And I have been round the block but i must say that racism in the DR is very very very overt.

When I came here a year or so ago, I posted this same question and I was called names, told I had a hidden agenda yet all I wanted to understand was why people felt it was their prerogative to insult my skin color. I would walk down the street and I would be called "perra" just because I dared to walk or breath. I was thrown out of shops, bumped out of queues, refused service in restaurants, why because, I happened to be there and my color offended them or as one person said back then, I did not dress right, or carry myself with confidence or that all black people lived in the barrios so it was ok for me to be treated the way I was! It hurt so bad that I was in a daze for 6 months. One technician came to my house to repair the plumbing and after I explained the problem, settled to work only to yell I minute later "muchacha venga aca," and ordered me to make him coffee! I told him that if he wanted his pay, he had better do his job and get out of my house before I snuffed life out of him! Many apologies later, he told me that he "asumed" I was the muchacha since all the black people do odd jobs.Muchachas, obviously are not people!

Then I realized that it was not my problem, that if people hate my color, or attached a stereotype to it, it was their problem not mine.So even though I encounter racism everyday, I ignore it or insolently tell them to kiss my black A! The shock...........

This is the only thread that is yet to degenerate to name calling so I may be able to get great insights

By the way, fact, racism is all over the world, does that make it right, I do not think so.I do not care what the history is, there is no justification.

Fact, racism is not just light towards dark, it can also be the ther way round though some of my countrymen believe that only white people are racist!

Fact, those who blame AMericans for being white supremacists obviously have not been paying attention to the racially charged debates on immigration in the EU!

That said, not all Dominicans are racist.

 

[Pib]

atienoor

I gave up on this thread long ago, but I wanted to take a moment to say I am sorry to hear that you have been treated like that. I firmly believe that your "kiss my a**" attitude is the correct one. In fact, that is my life motto and it has worked so far.

Anyways, we never got back together. We ought to fix that soon.

 

[Matos]

For everyone to read

RACIAL AND ETHNIC GROUPS

Ethnic Heritage

The island's indigenous inhabitants were mainly Taino Indians, an Arawak-speaking group, and a small settlement of carib Indians around the Bahia de Samana. These indians, estimated to number perhaps 1 million at the time of their initial contact with Europeans, all of whom had been killed or died by the 1550's as a result of harsh spanish treatment. The Tainos were especially ill-treated.
The importation of African slaves began in 1503. By the nineteenth century, the population was roughly 150,000: 40,000 were spanish descent,40,000 were black slaves, and the remainder were either freed blacks or mulattoes. In the mid-1990's, approximately 10% of the population was white and 15 percent black; the remainder were mulattoes-- 75 percent(the percentages of dominico haitian or haitions are not included). Since then the percentage of whites has been slowly decreasing and that of mulattoes increasing; the black percentage has remained almost about the same. The figures about ethnic ration and its changing composition are a SENSITIVE Dominican issue because many elite and upper-class whites are anti-african(blacks and mulattoes) and seek to claim a higher, constant "white" figure. Many mulattoes, however, claim a larger percentage for themselves at the same time that many others have difficulty acknowledging their African roots.
Contemporary Dominican society and culture are primarily spanish in origin. At the same time, much of popular culture reflects many African influences. Taino influence is limited to cultigens, such as Maize or Corn, and a few vocabulary words, such as huracan(hurricane) and hamaca(hammock). The African influence in society was officially suppressed and ignored by the Trujillo regime(1930_1961) and then by Balaguer until the 1980s. However, certain religious brotherhoods with significant black membership have incorporated some afro-american elements. Observers also have noted the presence of African influence in popular dance and music(see Culture, this ch.)
There has long been a preference in Dominican society for light skin, straight hair, and "white" racial features. Blackness in itself, however, does not necessarily restrict a person to a lower status position. Upward mobility is possible for the dark-skinned person who manages to acquire educatiohn or wealth. During the era of Trujillo, joining the military became a major means of upward mobility, especially for dark and light skinned Dominicans-the white elite would not permit its sons to join). Social characteristics focusing on family background, education, and economic standing are, in fact, more prominent means of identifying and classifying individuals. Darker-skinned persons are concentrated in the east, the south, and the far west near the Haitian border. The population of the Cibao, especially in the countryside, consists mainly of whites or mulattoes.
Dominicans traditionally prefer to think of themselves as descendants of the island's indians and the spanish, ignoring their African heritage. Thus, phenotypical African characteristics, such as dark skin pigmentation, are disparaged. Trujillo, a light-skinned mulatto who claimed that he was "white" (French and Spanish), instituted as official policy that dominicans were racially white, culturally spanish, and religiouly Roman Catholic. Balaguer continued this policy until the 1980s when he openly recognized African cultural and social influences. He made the change because, first he followed two opposition party governments, those of presidents Guzman(1978-82) and Jorge Blanco (1982-86), who had officially recognized the country's African roots. Second, he was appealing for votes as he prepared for his reelection campaign in 1986. Because of Trujillo's and then Balaguers racial conditioning, emigrants and visitors to the United States are often shocked to discover that they are viewed as "black". However, they and many back home welcomed the civil rights and black pride movements in NOrth America in the 1960s and 1970s. Those returning brought a new level of racila consciousness to the republic because they had experienced both racial and prejudice and the black pride movement. The returning emigrants who broughtt back Afrom hairstyles and a variety of other Afro-Nort Americanisms received mixed reatios from their fellow dominican, however.

 

[Matos]

Nalowhs here are a few books for you to read..there goes your proof i hope you learn

see i'm not making this up.......and i am not gonna send you any internet information because most are wrong anyway.....Here are some text books writting by scientist and FEDERAL RESEARCH DIVISION LIBRARY OF CONGRESS and other groups of people(oh and i'm not screaming so calm down)

Robert L. Worden
chief
Federal Research Division
Library of Congress

Econmist Intelligence unit. Country Report, 3rd Quarter 1997: cuba dominican rep. haiti puerto rico ect....

Crassweller, Robert. Trujillo: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF A CARIBBEAN DICTATOR
GUERRERO, MIGUEL. El golpe de estado. Historia dl derrocamiento de Juan Bosch..Santo Domingo

HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH.(you guys really need to read this)Human Rights watch report from New york: in 1998 whoa

uups i gotta go but if anybody is interested to learn(who is not racist of course) about there culture ask me some question maybe we could all learn from each other.....

 

[DRNow]

I'm new here.

Not all Dominicans are black. Here is a picture of my mother and baby brother to prove it.

My father is a dark mulato because my grandmother from his side was white (she was the daughter of Canary Island immigrants who moved to Nagua) and my grandfather from his side was black.

From my motherside, everybody is either white or mestizo (they look Mexican for example, but they are Dominicans).

 

[NALs]

The following info I had already posted about a year ago on another thread. I just copy and pasted here since its obvious people did not searched for this when I suggested it earlier in this thread. Now I'm done.

The following link is very interesting. It's about Haiti's current situation:

http://www.ciir.org/shared_asp_files/uploadedfiles/{DD250AC0-B332-4D21-A2DC-390E943B93EE}_Haiti_2004_report.pdf

Also, here are MY SOURCES for anything Dominican. Here are only a sampling of the sources where I get my data from. Some data I get are purely confidential, so of course, you will not receive the source of that, but everything else is up for grab.

Also, notice that many of the sources I point here are actual books, not something you can just search up on the net.

Italize means title, non italize is the author's name

The Unfinished Experiment: Democracy in the Dominican Republic Juan Bosch

The Devastation of the Indies Bartolome de Las Casas

Rag-Tags, Scum, Riff-Raff and Commies Eric Thomas Chester

Trujillo:The Death of the Goat Barbara Diederich

Santo Domingo Past & Present with a Glance at Hayti Samuel Hazard

The Tainos: The People Who Welcomed Columbus Francine Jacobs

Pillaging the Empire Kris E. Lane

The Dominican Intervention Abraham F. Lowenthal

Almost a Territory W.J. Nelson

The Dominican Republic: A National History Frank Moya Pons

Dictator Next Door: The Good Neighbor Policy and the Trujillo Regime, 1930-1945 Eric Paul Roorda

The Conquest of Paradise Kirkpatrick Sale

The Slave Trade Hugh Thomas

The Dominican Republic: A Caribbean Crucible Howard Wiarda & M.J. Kryzanek

Over Ramon Aristy

Antologia Personal Juan Bosch

Don Quixote in Exile Peter Furst

The Cross and the Sword Manuel Jesus de Galvan & Robert Garves

La Isla al Reves: Haiti y el Destino Dominicano Joaquin Balaguer

Peasants and Tobacco in the Dominican Republic, 1870-1930 Michiel Baud

Beyond the Lighthouse James Ferguson

The Making of a Transnational Community: Migration, Development and Cultural Change in the Dominican Republic Eugenia Georges

Developing Poverty Jose Itzigsohn

Peripheral Migrants: Haitians and Dominican Republic Sugar Plantations Samuel Martinez

Merengue: Dominicana Music and Dominican Identity Paul Austerliz

Tainos: Pre-Columbian Art and Culture from the Caribbean Fatima Bercht & Estrellita Brodsky

Bachata: A Social History of Dominican Popular Music Deborah Pacini Hernandez

500 A?os de Historia Monumental Marcio Veloz Maggiolo & Adriano Tejada

Colonial Houses of Santo Domingo Eugenio Parez Montas

Caribbean Art Veerle Poupeye

Modern and Contemporary Art of the Dominican Republic Suzanne Stratton

Flowering Trees of teh Dominican Republic; National Parks of the Dominican Republic Jurgen Hoppe

Hacia el Techo del Caribe: Caminatas al Pico Duarte Renato Perez & Andreas Schubert

The Dominican People 1850-1900: Notes for a Historical Sociology H. Hoetink

Overtaken by Events: The Dominican Crisis from the Fall of Trujillo to the Civil War John B. Martin

Politics, Foreign Trade, and Economic Development: A study of the Dominican Republic Caludio Vedovato

The Caribbean as Columbus Saw It Samuel E. Morrison

Aves de la Republica Dominicana Annabelle Stockton de Dod

Last Resorts, The Cost of Tourism in the Caribbean Polly Pattullo

 

[NALs]

see i'm not making this up.......and i am not gonna send you any internet information because most are wrong anyway.....Here are some text books writting by scientist and FEDERAL RESEARCH DIVISION LIBRARY OF CONGRESS and other groups of people(oh and i'm not screaming so calm down)

Robert L. Worden
chief
Federal Research Division
Library of Congress

Econmist Intelligence unit. Country Report, 3rd Quarter 1997: cuba dominican rep. haiti puerto rico ect....

Crassweller, Robert. Trujillo: THE LIFE AND TIMES OF A CARIBBEAN DICTATOR
GUERRERO, MIGUEL. El golpe de estado. Historia dl derrocamiento de Juan Bosch..Santo Domingo

HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH.(you guys really need to read this)Human Rights watch report from New york: in 1998 whoa

uups i gotta go but if anybody is interested to learn(who is not racist of course) about there culture ask me some question maybe we could all learn from each other.....

A few years ago I read over the material you suggest here and I constantly re-read material to keep these ideas fresh, that way when a debate comes in I can present the ideas.

What else is new?

 

[atienoor]

Point Fives

Pib,

I hope you are doing well. I am as free as a bird starting late next week so PM me and we will catch up.

I have alot of background reading from night Night owl's list.......hopefully I can find time to dig into these.

Matos, great food for thought..............

Kudos to everyone for keeping this thread sane.There is hope for mankind after all.

NB: Mzungu is Swahili word for white folk and in the campo of eastern africa, campesinos will call mixed folk mzungus! In the cities, mixed people will be referred to as half caste (old school) or point five. Last time I checked, point five had evolved into "zebra!"

 

[Stodgord]

I guess for me what adds a spark to this debate is not tell Dominicans that they are black, but why most Dominicans will go out of their way to treat black people as doormats.

And I have been round the block but i must say that racism in the DR is very very very overt.

When I came here a year or so ago, I posted this same question and I was called names, told I had a hidden agenda yet all I wanted to understand was why people felt it was their prerogative to insult my skin color. I would walk down the street and I would be called "perra" just because I dared to walk or breath. I was thrown out of shops, bumped out of queues, refused service in restaurants, why because, I happened to be there and my color offended them or as one person said back then, I did not dress right, or carry myself with confidence or that all black people lived in the barrios so it was ok for me to be treated the way I was! It hurt so bad that I was in a daze for 6 months. One technician came to my house to repair the plumbing and after I explained the problem, settled to work only to yell I minute later "muchacha venga aca," and ordered me to make him coffee! I told him that if he wanted his pay, he had better do his job and get out of my house before I snuffed life out of him! Many apologies later, he told me that he "asumed" I was the muchacha since all the black people do odd jobs.Muchachas, obviously are not people!

Then I realized that it was not my problem, that if people hate my color, or attached a stereotype to it, it was their problem not mine.So even though I encounter racism everyday, I ignore it or insolently tell them to kiss my black A! The shock...........

This is the only thread that is yet to degenerate to name calling so I may be able to get great insights

By the way, fact, racism is all over the world, does that make it right, I do not think so.I do not care what the history is, there is no justification.

Fact, racism is not just light towards dark, it can also be the ther way round though some of my countrymen believe that only white people are racist!

Fact, those who blame AMericans for being white supremacists obviously have not been paying attention to the racially charged debates on immigration in the EU!

That said, not all Dominicans are racist.

Atenioor,

I am sorry to hear that this has happened to you in my country, but before I can categorize it as a racial matter rather than a cultural clash matter, I would like to ask you the following question. Please don't be offended, I am just trying to eliminate the possibilities.

1-When you went to the restaurant and was refused service were you accompanied by someone or where you alone. In DR, you rarely see a female go to an entertainment or dining establishment by themself for the fear of being categorized as a working girl.

2-Are you aware that in DR, most men complement a female by insulting them. For instance, "Diablo mami, Maldita degraciada no me martirize asi, mata hombre, or debarata wachiman...etc."

3-At your home, where the plumber confused you for the housekeeper, where you presentable. I mean, were you wearing makeups, suitpants or skirt with a nice blouse and your hair presentable. Housekeepers in Dr, wear a daisy duke, or spandex with a raggery blouse, flip-flop or better known as "pisa mierda" and a rag in their head, or Mo~nitos, or rollers.

Perhaps other Dominican can collaborate what I have mentioned above, and again I am just trying to eliminate the possibibilities on the reasons why you were rejected or confused by.

Regards,

Stodgord

 

[Stodgord]

It's called classism what people do less of in DR, I Kill for time. Racism is so obvious down there, it's ridiculous. I never had to deal with racist people until I moved to the DR for high school. There were many times when I couldn't get into clubs because the bouncers wouldn't let me in until I just started showing up with the owners of the place or someone who knew them. When I was born I was pale and white, until I was 13 and after that, everything changed.....cogi un poco de color, like they say. Best thing that could've happened to me. There aren't any descendants of Tainos in DR, the only thing that DR has from Tainos is the cultural influence which is all over the place, but no genetics were inherited from them. I'll go with CC on this one.........Nalo is not making any sense right now.

Jon S.

Perhaps, you were not let in the club because you were or looked too young and by yourself, or what ever you were wearing did not go with the establishment. Or perhaps, your hair cut was "caliente" such like a skinned fade. In DR, anyone with a skinned fade or close to it is considered a drug dealer. I know is stupid but that is the culture their. I have been victim of special attention at the Airport because of my hair cut.

Again, you have a much better chance getting in a prestigious club if you are presentable, know someone or you go in a group and especially if someone in your group is mature.

 

[Jon S.]

Jon S.

Perhaps, you were not let in the club because you were or looked too young and by yourself, or what ever you were wearing did not go with the establishment. Or perhaps, your hair cut was "caliente" such like a skinned fade. In DR, anyone with a skinned fade or close to it is considered a drug dealer. I know is stupid but that is the culture their. I have been victim of special attention at the Airport because of my hair cut.

Again, you have a much better chance getting in a prestigious club if you are presentable, know someone or you go in a group and especially if someone in your group is mature.

It might have been the age thing but that wouldn't explain why a 15-year old kid was allowed in before me. I do wear baggy jeans when I feel lazy but never to go out to a club like that. I'll give you another example: I live in York County, VA. About 15 minutes from my house, there's a new bar in Hampton, McFaddens. Real nice inside. So I go there because my friends called me to meet up with them. I was in school before that so I drove straight there and I was wearing some regular jeans, a slong-sleeved shirt and Diesel sneakers, I looked decent. When I go in and bring my ID out, the (big and black) bouncer tells me in a low voice "Look, man. Not to say you're dressed inappropiately or anything, but next time you come here, they want people ('they' is management) to come in a more upscale kind of dress."

I almost lost it right then and there. The kicker was that there was a guy in there in a sweatsuit and dirty sneakers and he was white. Not that I was angry the whole night, I had a good time, but it's alright to discriminate in Virginia, where they used to hang people like me regularly until about 50 years ago.

It might be the hair thing but I can count on one hand how many fades I've had in my life. Besides, I'm in the military now and can't let it grow out. I know about the 'pelada caliente' that the cops look out for. They're some ignorant SOBs down there. One time, I was driving thru Arroyo Hondo and they had a checkpoint that night. I was with my friends. If one of us wouldn't have brought out his diplomatic ID (son of Mexican embassy employee), they would've kept bugging me but they left us alone from the moment they saw it and told us good night.

 

[NALs]

http://www.kacike.org/GuitarEnglish.html

http://www.centrelink.org/EstevezCronos.html

http://www.centrelink.org/davidcampos.html

 

[NALs]

Darker-skinned persons are concentrated in the east, the south, and the far west near the Haitian border.

Don't forget to mention that the haitian border area, the east and the south (excluding SDQ) are home to only 10% of the total Dominican population.

The population of the Cibao, especially in the countryside, consists mainly of whites or mulattoes.

The Cibao Valley and North Coast is home to 60% of the Dominican Population.

The Capital city is home to about 30% of the total population of the DR.

 

[Stodgord]

It might have been the age thing but that wouldn't explain why a 15-year old kid was allowed in before me. I do wear baggy jeans when I feel lazy but never to go out to a club like that. I'll give you another example: I live in York County, VA. About 15 minutes from my house, there's a new bar in Hampton, McFaddens. Real nice inside. So I go there because my friends called me to meet up with them. I was in school before that so I drove straight there and I was wearing some regular jeans, a slong-sleeved shirt and Diesel sneakers, I looked decent. When I go in and bring my ID out, the (big and black) bouncer tells me in a low voice "Look, man. Not to say you're dressed inappropiately or anything, but next time you come here, they want people ('they' is management) to come in a more upscale kind of dress."

I almost lost it right then and there. The kicker was that there was a guy in there in a sweatsuit and dirty sneakers and he was white. Not that I was angry the whole night, I had a good time, but it's alright to discriminate in Virginia, where they used to hang people like me regularly until about 50 years ago.

It might be the hair thing but I can count on one hand how many fades I've had in my life. Besides, I'm in the military now and can't let it grow out. I know about the 'pelada caliente' that the cops look out for. They're some ignorant SOBs down there. One time, I was driving thru Arroyo Hondo and they had a checkpoint that night. I was with my friends. If one of us wouldn't have brought out his diplomatic ID (son of Mexican embassy employee), they would've kept bugging me but they left us alone from the moment they saw it and told us good night.

I know exactly what you mean with the haircuts. I am in the military myself and coming back to the US. The Drug control police at the airport asked me politely in spanish "hey why don't you come with me to check you out" I had to pull out my military ID to let him know that my haircut was part of my uniform. He let me go. Also, probably the 15 year old that went in before you probably knew someone or has been there before with others that the bouncer new him. Everything in the DR is about perception.

 

[Guatiao]

My Thoughts

I wasn't going to get into this thread but I decided to drop some of my perspectives. Racism exists everywhere not one country can erase this problem. The problem I see with this thread people are confusing racism with ignorance, to be honest I have rarely seen racism in DR I have even asked my darker family members of there experience & they have told me they have never been discriminaze against due to their skin color. I believe the DR biggest problem is the economic caste system, now back to my views on this thread many people are blaming a 3rd world country with a very poor education system, just last week on DR1 News there was an article that only $200 dollars per child that is way below the avg of $6,000 per child in other developing countries (poor education=ignorance & cheap workforce). I do not really think it is that big of a deal most Dominicans in the island don't really care about skin color, the ones that do are just plain stupid & yes I also get annoyed when I see a Sammy Sosa looking Dominican stating his grandparents were from Spain but the DR in every aspect has tried to copy Spain so it isn't really that shocking.

I am really annoyed at the people who keep insisting Dominicans do not have Taino heritage, we do have Taino heritage in our blood, the truth is during recent years many anthropoloist are finding that out & many clues are being discovered that the Spaniards on the island lied on their letters to the King & Queen of Spain when they stated that ALL "indians" were wiped out. If a smaller island like PR has Taino blood why can't a island as big as hispanola not have taino blood. I bet most of you do not know that the Spaniards main towns/settlements were on the coasts & not inland, they rarely went inland due to fear, Hispanola has alot of mountains & forest during the early days, so possibly could'nt the Tainos hide in these places & reproduce.

In conclusion most Dominicans are mixed, we have rainbow families, many combinations in one tribe.

Peace.

 

[Guatiao]

I have a challenge

I have a challenged for all you DR1ers that are discussing this topic. I have composed a list of pictures, mostly Dominican, I would like all of you to simply look at the picture & state what color you see, any color you want, you can classify them as black or white, whatever. I just want to see how you people classify color. Lets keep it peaceful & intelligent.

1: http://www.stuffmagazine.com/girls/celines_toribio/celines_toribio_l1.jpg
2 :http://www.fordmodels.com/images/ac6_m.jpg
3: http://www.listin.com.do/antes/julio03/160703/cuerpos/espectaculos/images/esp1.jpg
4: http://www.torontohispano.com/entre...za/missmundolatino/2003/pictures/repdom01.jpg
5: http://www.uslatino.com/galleries/DR_SantoDomingo_ChicasMissRDLatina2004/images/12-YADIRA 2.jpg
6: http://members.aol.com/latinonyc21/ya3.jpg
7: http://www.hq.xinhuanet.com/missworld/2003-10/23/xin_9216c505d36349859f910f69c3dd2a27_x_128.jpg
8: http://www.albertophoto.com/Casa Campo-GIF/CAMPO080.gif
9: http://www.missmundo.com.do/images/participantes/CLAUDIA2.jpg
10: http://galeon.com/khary/bikini.jpg
11: http://www.listin.com.do/antes/junio04/100604/cuerpos/espectaculos/images/esp10.jpg
12: http://www.bonche.com/images/pictures/img/7308.jpg
13: http://www.teenresearch.com/trusubscription/nws_images/8-20-04_worth1.jpg
14: http://www.askmen.com/imagessexsymbol/2004_jun/zoe_saldana/zoe_saldana_150.jpg
15: http://userpics.hi5.com/userpics/6/5042646.img.jpg
16: http://www.estudiof.com/luweb2.jpg
17: http://u.univision.com/contentroot/uol/art/images/ent/cine/2005/02/rai_me_14_021105.jpg
18: http://galeon.com/gissette/1.jpg
19: http://www.jessicaalba.net/pics/alba1044.jpg
20: http://www.evamendes.com/images/revlon/revlon_collection/eva_mendes_dot_com_revlon_spec7.jpg

How I view the DR:
http://www.bonche.com/images/pictures/img/7345.jpg

 

[xxeonzz]

I have a challenged for all you DR1ers that are discussing this topic. I have composed a list of pictures, mostly Dominican, I would like all of you to simply look at the picture & state what color you see, any color you want, you can classify them as black or white, whatever. I just want to see how you people classify color. Lets keep it peaceful & intelligent.

1: http://www.stuffmagazine.com/girls/celines_toribio/celines_toribio_l1.jpg
2 :http://www.fordmodels.com/images/ac6_m.jpg
3: http://www.listin.com.do/antes/julio03/160703/cuerpos/espectaculos/images/esp1.jpg
4: http://www.torontohispano.com/entre...za/missmundolatino/2003/pictures/repdom01.jpg
5: http://www.uslatino.com/galleries/DR_SantoDomingo_ChicasMissRDLatina2004/images/12-YADIRA 2.jpg
6: http://members.aol.com/latinonyc21/ya3.jpg
7: http://www.hq.xinhuanet.com/missworld/2003-10/23/xin_9216c505d36349859f910f69c3dd2a27_x_128.jpg
8: http://www.albertophoto.com/Casa Campo-GIF/CAMPO080.gif
9: http://www.missmundo.com.do/images/participantes/CLAUDIA2.jpg
10: http://galeon.com/khary/bikini.jpg
11: http://www.listin.com.do/antes/junio04/100604/cuerpos/espectaculos/images/esp10.jpg
12: http://www.bonche.com/images/pictures/img/7308.jpg
13: http://www.teenresearch.com/trusubscription/nws_images/8-20-04_worth1.jpg
14: http://www.askmen.com/imagessexsymbol/2004_jun/zoe_saldana/zoe_saldana_150.jpg
15: http://userpics.hi5.com/userpics/6/5042646.img.jpg
16: http://www.estudiof.com/luweb2.jpg
17: http://u.univision.com/contentroot/uol/art/images/ent/cine/2005/02/rai_me_14_021105.jpg
18: http://galeon.com/gissette/1.jpg
19: http://www.jessicaalba.net/pics/alba1044.jpg
20: http://www.evamendes.com/images/revlon/revlon_collection/eva_mendes_dot_com_revlon_spec7.jpg

How I view the DR:
http://www.bonche.com/images/pictures/img/7345.jpg

all of those girls are mixed, some with more visible african traits than others. Some of them are mestiza (White/Indian) and they are not Dominican. However, the truth is that most dominican girls do NOT look like this. Their african traits are MUCH more visible and are "mulatas"

All of the people in the "How I view the DR" picture are mulatos.

 

[NALs]

http://www.kacike.org/FerbelEnglish.html

 

[NALs]

The following information I borrowed from Dawnwil (he's/she's a DR1er who posted this on another thread about a year ago about Dominican Taino ancestry)

Here is an excerpt from a Taino study conducted (from Nov, 2002) in the DR:

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Here is a ?footnote? to Dr. Juan Carlos Mart?nez Cruzado?s presentation, an informal E-mail message that he sent us on November 17. Thanks, Doctor, for permission to publish it! In the message, he talks about his analyses of the samples that we took in the three days after the conference and another quantity of samples taken by Lic. Arlene Alvarez, Director of the Regional Archaeological Museum of Altos de Chav?n, assisted by Aldofo L?pez, an independent scholar from Spain:

First of all, let me congratulate you for having graduated with honors as collectors of genetic material for posterity. The samples that Arlene sent are expanding the study very well. Thanks to you, we are getting a glimpse that there will be much to say about the mitochrondrial DNA of the Dominican Republic at the next Archaeology Congress. [34] ...

As an historian, Lynne is going to have a lot of work. It seems that the incidence of indigenous heredity in the Dominican Republic varies a lot with location. Something that we are beginning to see is that there is much more in the countryside than in the metropolis. But it is possible that in the countryside, also, there is substantial variability. The final results will give us an idea of which places the Ta?nos concentrated when they left the Spanish settlements. ... [36]

Until now, we have identified 15 indigenous samples in the Dominican Republic, 12 of which have been A and only 3 of which are C. The best place up to this moment has been Tubagua, which is where we first stopped along the route from Los Cocos to Santiago [the mountain road called Ruta Tur?stica]. Of the 7 samples that we took there, 4 turned out to be indigenous: 2 A and 2 C. A place that could beat Tubagua is El Seibo. From there we have only tested 9 samples for A, and already 3 have given positive results. We still have to test for C. Another good place was Y?sica, the second site where we stopped along the route from Los Cocos to Santiago. Of the 7 samples that we took there, 3 have had positive results (2 A and 1 C). The next best site was Monci?n. Of the 10 samples that we took there, 3 tested as indigenous, all A. It could be that San Jos? de las Matas will end up better than Monci?n. There we have tested only for A so far, and 1 out of 7 was positive. Among the remainder of the indigenous samples, the only positive result we obtained was one from among the 10 samples we took at Los Cocos. It was A. The 3 samples that Lynne took in San Juan de la Maguana were blanks, as were the 6 samples that we took in Santo Domingo. We also did a test for A among the 16 samples from La Romana, and not one gave a positive result. This suggests that large coastal cities near Santo Domingo have little incidence. To me, it nonetheless appears that Santiago de los Caballeros could have a much higher incidence. Dealing with a large city, it would be highly significant. [38]

citation:
Mart?nez Cruzado, Juan C. (2002). The Use of Mitochondrial DNA to Discover Pre-Columbian Migrations to the Caribbean: Results for Puerto Rico and Expectations for the Dominican Republic.

[39 paragraphs] KACIKE: The Journal of Caribbean Amerindian History and Anthropology [On-line Journal], Special Issue, Lynne Guitar, Ed.

Here is a link to the complete article...
http://www.kacike.org/MartinezEnglish.html

This is the link to the thread where I cut and pasted this from...
http://dr1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25211&page=4&pp=15

 

[Stodgord]

all of those girls are mixed, some with more visible african traits than others. Some of them are mestiza (White/Indian) and they are not Dominican. However, the truth is that most dominican girls do NOT look like this. Their african traits are MUCH more visible and are "mulatas"

All of the people in the "How I view the DR" picture are mulatos.

Of course that not all domican girls look like this, these are models. Do all white woman in the US look like Cindy Crawford, Julia Roberts and so on? Do all black women in America look like Naomi Campbell?