Dominicans and their ancestry

[NALs]

Since joining on board:

Nals:
Avg. post: 2 post/day * 8464 char/post * 1sec/char * 1hr/3600sec =

4.7 post-hr/day

Deelt:
Avg post: 1.5 post/day * 1264 char/post * 1 sec/char * 1hr/3600sec=

0.5 post-hr/day

I over estimated on mine just in case. In both cases I averaged over 3 standard trademark posts char/post averaged over several threads. Figures do not include thought process nor grammatical correction. For this I will generously grant 1 hour for me and way underestimate 1 hr for you. Again, I'll give each of us only 0.5 hr margin to read general posts/day an standard estimate for me an underestimate for you.

This means that you spend 6.5 hours out of an 8 hr work day posting. I spend at most 2 hrs/day assuming a similar work schedule (I work more than that).

Any one who can afford to spend almost 7 hours out of an 8 hr work day posting is just not that busy. Sorry, I agree with you on this: let's just agree to disagree and no I will not PM you on this. You read y response clearly enough. I have to work for a living.

PEACE

I don't spend all that time!

All through the day, from time to time I pop into the site and quickly respond to one or so posts that might catch my interest.

On the days when I have to travel for business and/or when I have an overwhelming amount of work to be done, I won't post or even peek into DR1 for weeks.

I have also been around for almost a full year before you have. You have to take that into consideration in addition to the fact that I use DR1 for a few minutes multiple times a day to get some rest from my work for a few minutes.

I spend quite an amount of time working, thinking of work, and planning for my work. My girlfriend says that I work too much, but I love working. Many times I find myself working well into the night and wake up at the crack of dawn the next morning.

I also find myself working and taking small breaks in inconsistent patterns daily. I am self-employed, have many responsibilities and do attend my business matters with diligence. I also am well connected with a Hewlet Packard Pocket PC with Internet capabilities, a laptop with the same PC Card that enables my internet connection via my Pocket PC and when I don't use those portable devises, I'm close to my home personal computer.

Many times, my suppose vacation time I spend it doing some work.

Please, just respond to me on a PM about your comments on my previous post. It's not that hard you know.

 

[mondongo]

Deelt, I must say that the more I read your posts, the more I think you are an exceptionally intelligent Dominican. Conversely,....

 

[NALs]

Deelt, I must say that the more I read your posts, the more I think you are an exceptionally intelligent Dominican. Conversely,....

She is a very smart woman. That's why I actually like debating with her, though she almost always bumps out with the time issue.

Usually when I am truly interested in her response she comes up with that excuse.

Anyways, lets let this go... For the time being anyways. This topic just keeps popping up over and over again.

BTW, my average daily posts is only 1.81

Contrast that with:

Criss Colon 3.53
Escott 4.75
Castellamonte 10.36
Miguel 2.05
Stallion 2.37
Pib 2.54
MommC 2.04
easygoin 2.39
gringito 2.80
Robert 1.99
Talldrink 1.87
Hillbilly 4.40

And from those below my average, a few of these are:

Deelt 1.40
Dolores 1.22
Carlito 1.12
Lesley D 1.39
MrMike 1.18
Trina 1.07

BTW, you can quickly get these facts by simply clicking on people's member name and checking their stats there.

 

[deelt]

Nals

I am just poking fun at you. It does make for a good laugh, doesn't? Relax. I'm sure you are a highly efficient man. I would expect nothing less from an economist such as yourself. (okay let me stop)

By the way, in my calculation I did take into account the length of time we have both been on DR1.

I do feel feel you have an addiction that warrants self reflection. The other folks with high posting yields are retired, they can spend as much time as they want on DR1....that's why they run the show here.


D

I don't spend all that time!

All through the day, from time to time I pop into the site and quickly respond to one or so posts that might catch my interest.

On the days when I have to travel for business and/or when I have an overwhelming amount of work to be done, I won't post or even peek into DR1 for weeks.

I have also been around for almost a full year before you have. You have to take that into consideration in addition to the fact that I use DR1 for a few minutes multiple times a day to get some rest from my work for a few minutes.

I spend quite an amount of time working, thinking of work, and planning for my work. My girlfriend says that I work too much, but I love working. Many times I find myself working well into the night and wake up at the crack of dawn the next morning.

I also find myself working and taking small breaks in inconsistent patterns daily. I am self-employed, have many responsibilities and do attend my business matters with diligence. I also am well connected with a Hewlet Packard Pocket PC with Internet capabilities, a laptop with the same PC Card that enables my internet connection via my Pocket PC and when I don't use those portable devises, I'm close to my home personal computer.

Many times, my suppose vacation time I spend it doing some work.

Please, just respond to me on a PM about your comments on my previous post. It's not that hard you know.

 

[NALs]

Nals

I am just poking fun at you. It does make for a good laugh, doesn't? Relax. I'm sure you are a highly efficient man. I would expect nothing less from an economist such as yourself. (okay let me stop)

By the way, in my calculation I did take into account the length of time we have both been on DR1.

I do feel feel you have an addiction that warrants self reflection. The other folks with high posting yields are retired, they can spend as much time as they want on DR1....that's why they run the show here.


D

Since when is Pib or Miguel retired?

Anyways, I always wonder why you keep checking in so often. Then again, you could be taken multiple breaks through out the day and at inconsistent times every single day too.

Oh well, its obvious we are done in this thread. Completely off topic.

BTW, I was serious about your opinion on that post. If you can, get around it, even if its one response a day.

 

[xxeonzz]

There is no point in arguing...

The truth is very simple... you just have to go to DR and see for yourself:

Most are dark mulato
Alot are light skinned mulato
Some are black
A few are white...

Thats how simple it is!

I hate when people say that racism doesnt exist in DR. What they mean is that people dont "discriminate" against others because of their skin but most dominicans are in fact RACIST because of the fact that they clearly DENY their black roots. I have seen flat out BLACK dominicans say that they are "INDIAN" or their grandparents are from "SPAIN"...

 

[Criss Colon]

"Naalwlwas","Puro Dominicanism"!

You can tell a Dominican 100% of the time by the way they respond to criticism!

1.They will say it isn't true! (Or just call you a lier!)
2.They will say that "Everybody" else does it too.And "Worse/More" than they do!!
3.Or they will just blamethe USA!

How "Vain" and self-important to actually believe that anyone cares how many posts someone has,who has more,or less,posts!

This Forum is not moderated,or you would soon be shut down for wandering into your own narcissistic fantasyland!

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Not RETIRED yet!!!

 

[NALs]

The truth is very simple... you just have to go to DR and see for yourself:

Most are dark mulato
Alot are light skinned mulato
Some are black
A few are white...

Thats how simple it is!

I hate when people say that racism doesnt exist in DR. What they mean is that people dont "discriminate" against others because of their skin but most dominicans are in fact RACIST because of the fact that they clearly DENY their black roots. I have seen flat out BLACK dominicans say that they are "INDIAN" or their grandparents are from "SPAIN"...

I don't think the word "Indio" has the same meaning anymore for the following reasons...

1. Whenever any Dominican (myself included) speaks of an Indio, we all picture a mulatto in our minds. However, its rather insulting to call a person a mulatto directly, but Indio and Mulatto means the same type of person on this island.

2. Given that most Dominicans are mixed and the word Indio would imply a sense of being truly from this island, the word Indio could very well mean native of Hispaniola. If tomorrow every 100% black and white Dominicans were to move back to Africa or Europe (respectively) based solely on 100% bloodlines from either place, over three quarters of Dominicans will not be able to move to either.

Most are mixed (to different degree depending on the individual) and their mixed existence became a reality on this island and not in Africa or Europe. As such, mixed Dominicans could claim to be more a part of this island than non-mixed Dominicans in this sense and since the word Indio also denotes such thing, the words fits well.

3. Meanings of words around the world have changed since the colonial periods. For example, in many Latin American countries ahorita means right now, where as in the DR, PR , and Cuba ahorita means later and ahora means right now. Why did this change occured? I don't know, but that is the fact.

Other words that have lost their meanings or have changed their meanings in different places include food names. Lechosa is the Dominican equivalent name to what the rest of the world practically calls a Papaya. Why did the Dominicans maintained the Spanish name for the fruit and the rest of the world adopted the indian name? I don't know, but that is the fact.

One last example of hundreds would be the word watercloset used in Britain where as in the United States a watercloset is simply a bathroom or a public restroom. Why the different names for the samething in two countries that are very close together historically? I don't know, but that is the fact.

In this country, the word Indio means mulatto in our modern times. That was clearly not the intention when the name began to become a popular form of indetifying peoples races or mix races, but today say the word Indio in the DR and what comes to mind is not a mestizo or a real indian, but a mulatto.

Everybody see's a mulatto when they hear the word indio and that is simply another so called Dominicanism that helps make our version of Spanish unique.

 

[NALs]

You can tell a Dominican 100% of the time by the way they respond to criticism!

1.They will say it isn't true! (Or just call you a lier!)
2.They will say that "Everybody" else does it too.And "Worse/More" than they do!!
3.Or they will just blamethe USA!

How "Vain" and self-important to actually believe that anyone cares how many posts someone has,who has more,or less,posts!

This Forum is not moderated,or you would soon be shut down for wandering into your own narcissistic fantasyland!

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Not RETIRED yet!!!

Didn't you told a Dominican on another thread to get the hell out of the US if he did not like it.

This guy was complaining about the US in very much the same manner CC complains about the DR and, no, it can't be...

Is CC becoming a Dominican by second nature to the point that he is not realizing it?

Oh my, this is some serious stuff...

 

[atienoor]

Baby Percentages

I like Cris Colon's outlook towards life though I must say that when I see my kid, this is what comes to mind:

His hair is 40 per cent mulatto-oops, indio, 40 percent African, and 20 percent white. But when we go to the salon and apply some serious chemicals, aaah what the heck, he is transformed into a blue-eyed scandinavian. His feet are webbed therefore amphibian. His upper lip is white and his lower lip is negroid. Half his butt is african, the other half is mulatto. His language falls in the bird category (spanglish dribbled with swahili and baby language).

In summer he is something between indio claro and oscuro. And in winter if we go to the mid-west he becomes white!When we visit Africa, the guy becomes a charcoal black machete wielding voodoo king.

We love all his body parts equally and hopefully he will grow up to embrace a healthy outlook to life and not get embroiled in body percentages!

That said, if I started down the road saying that I am Indio or Caucasian or Mongloid, I doubt if anyone will take me seriously! Yet one of my great grandparents was caucasian - anyone looking at me would never guess that!

 

[xxeonzz]

I don't think the word "Indio" has the same meaning anymore for the following reasons...

1. Whenever any Dominican (myself included) speaks of an Indio, we all picture a mulatto in our minds. However, its rather insulting to call a person a mulatto directly, but Indio and Mulatto means the same type of person on this island.

2. Given that most Dominicans are mixed and the word Indio would imply a sense of being truly from this island, the word Indio could very well mean native of Hispaniola. If tomorrow every 100% black and white Dominicans were to move back to Africa or Europe (respectively) based solely on 100% bloodlines from either place, over three quarters of Dominicans will not be able to move to either.

Most are mixed (to different degree depending on the individual) and their mixed existence became a reality on this island and not in Africa or Europe. As such, mixed Dominicans could claim to be more a part of this island than non-mixed Dominicans in this sense and since the word Indio also denotes such thing, the words fits well.

3. Meanings of words around the world have changed since the colonial periods. For example, in many Latin American countries ahorita means right now, where as in the DR, PR , and Cuba ahorita means later and ahora means right now. Why did this change occured? I don't know, but that is the fact.

Other words that have lost their meanings or have changed their meanings in different places include food names. Lechosa is the Dominican equivalent name to what the rest of the world practically calls a Papaya. Why did the Dominicans maintained the Spanish name for the fruit and the rest of the world adopted the indian name? I don't know, but that is the fact.

One last example of hundreds would be the word watercloset used in Britain where as in the United States a watercloset is simply a bathroom or a public restroom. Why the different names for the samething in two countries that are very close together historically? I don't know, but that is the fact.

In this country, the word Indio means mulatto in our modern times. That was clearly not the intention when the name began to become a popular form of indetifying peoples races or mix races, but today say the word Indio in the DR and what comes to mind is not a mestizo or a real indian, but a mulatto.

Everybody see's a mulatto when they hear the word indio and that is simply another so called Dominicanism that helps make our version of Spanish unique.

All this you are saying still doesnt change the fact that dominicans use the word INDIO when referring to a BLACK PERSON. Using the word INDIO, even if it now collectively means negro in dr, is a result of racism. People began saying Indio because negro or mulato sounded too ugly. Now they always use indio... that still doesnt change the fact that its racist.

It is true that words mean different things in different countries, but what I am talking about is that RACISM and DENIAL is the reason why the word INDIO has transformed to mean a MULATO.

 

[Matos]

Whoa Nalowhs are you still here trying to convice every one what dominicans areLLOL

Listen girl,man whatever you are.......Most sources would tell you that in the late 1990s our population was estimated to be 75% Mulatto 15%black and 10% white.... Also, at the end of the 19th century our population was 150,000 with roughly equal amour of whites, slaves and freedmen.....Anyway,,,

Go to Barns and nobles or any other book store and find out about your culture.... Find books on Dominican rep and haiti country studies 3 edition 4 edition or whatever and you will see that this group of sceantist and writters (that do country studies for a living) will tell you how they have got there information and everything...Anyway i gotta go study again oh and by the way Nalowh don't you work or study or do anything else othere than write about race and talk crap that does not make any sense.....You write as if you have a highschool deploma,,,,However,,the things you say make no sense what so ever.........

 

[NALs]

All this you are saying still doesnt change the fact that dominicans use the word INDIO when referring to a BLACK PERSON. Using the word INDIO, even if it now collectively means negro in dr, is a result of racism. People began saying Indio because negro or mulato sounded too ugly. Now they always use indio... that still doesnt change the fact that its racist.

It is true that words mean different things in different countries, but what I am talking about is that RACISM and DENIAL is the reason why the word INDIO has transformed to mean a MULATO.

In the same manner the word N*gg*r originated as a racist word in the US, but today you hear it in many popular songs and among the young afro-Americans.

The only real racism in this country consist of anti-Haitianism. In fact, the existence of the Dominican Republic is itself an act against anything Haitian.

In the past (when the word Indio was used to blurr the history, though many Dominicans do have traces of Tainos in them) the notion was that if to be black meant being Haitian, then it was in the best interest of the national heros and all other peoples who faught against the Haitians to ensure that Dominicans will never associate themselves with being black. Afterall, Haitians have been the only legal and recognized enemies of the Dominican Republic.

However, things have change dramatically since those times and today, the word Indio means mulatto. It's not used in an attempt to "hide" the african element since the african element is already being taught in many of the schools, though not all.

Look at our museums (especially the Museo del Hombre Dominicano which was created by Joaquin Balaguer - a suppose racist) an entire section is devoted to slavery and the impact Africans had on Dominican society or what was to become Dominican society.

The use of the word Indio today is nothing more than a Dominicanism that is as much a part of this country as any other part in our culture.

 

[NALs]

Listen girl,man whatever you are.......Most sources would tell you that in the late 1990s our population was estimated to be 75% Mulatto 15%black and 10% white.... Also, at the end of the 19th century our population was 150,000 with roughly equal amour of whites, slaves and freedmen.....Anyway,,,

Go to Barns and nobles or any other book store and find out about your culture.... Find books on Dominican rep and haiti country studies 3 edition 4 edition or whatever and you will see that this group of sceantist and writters (that do country studies for a living) will tell you how they have got there information and everything...Anyway i gotta go study again oh and by the way Nalowh don't you work or study or do anything else othere than write about race and talk crap that does not make any sense.....You write as if you have a highschool deploma,,,,However,,the things you say make no sense what so ever.........

I did posted once many (though not all) of the books I have read.

If you want you can always make a search.

And if what I am saying doesn't makes sense and/or is false, then why is it getting on your nerves to the point of making you post this last post.

Clearly define to me a few sources, don't tell me to just go and read something. Enough of that I have done, show me where you get your material so that I can investigate it myself from top to bottom and see why you think the way you do. Though, I will never discount your highly black/white distorted mentality (a byproduct of your American influence) as a factor in all of this.

 

[xxeonzz]

In the same manner the word N*gg*r originated as a racist word in the US, but today you hear it in many popular songs and among the young afro-Americans.

The only real racism in this country consist of anti-Haitianism. In fact, the existence of the Dominican Republic is itself an act against anything Haitian.

In the past (when the word Indio was used to blurr the history, though many Dominicans do have traces of Tainos in them) the notion was that if to be black meant being Haitian, then it was in the best interest of the national heros and all other peoples who faught against the Haitians to ensure that Dominicans will never associate themselves with being black. Afterall, Haitians have been the only legal and recognized enemies of the Dominican Republic.

However, things have change dramatically since those times and today, the word Indio means mulatto. It's not used in an attempt to "hide" the african element since the african element is already being taught in many of the schools, though not all.

Look at our museums (especially the Museo del Hombre Dominicano which was created by Joaquin Balaguer - a suppose racist) an entire section is devoted to slavery and the impact Africans had on Dominican society or what was to become Dominican society.

The use of the word Indio today is nothing more than a Dominicanism that is as much a part of this country as any other part in our culture.

Thank you for proving my point. Your little "Anti-Haitian" history lesson proves my point. The origin of the word "Indio" is in fact RACIST. Why would a non-racist deny their own race to differentiate themselves from an enemy who is of their own race? That means the Puritans should have changed their race because the British, their enemy, was of the white race... Well they didnt, because they were proud of being "White." Dominicans denied their Black race and that is the truth.

That the word is still in use, though subconscious, is a continuation of the racism that originated it in the first place. And why you ask? Well because all dominicans with minimal education know what Indio really means and still use it to refer to a black person.

 

[Ikill for money]

why

I WOULD LIKE 2 KNOW WHY IN DR I SEEN BLACK BUT THE MOST BLACK YOU CAN SEE WITH Straight HAIR , dead like hell.
2me Personally this have 2 do with Background of indio ,you cant not get this from a white person and a black. sometime this black dominican with Straight hair look like they from india for some reason i have Confused some of then in new york ,and what they tell me is not to worry because people Confused them all the time.

Also i would like 2 know why is lots of dominicans that look like mexica .no joke i have Confused a lot of then and all the time i get Surprise.

2 me as dominican i'm will never say that their no indian Ancestry in lot of dominicans .

You can get me all the Proof you can and still will never change the way i see things.



.I know lots of dominicans try to hide they blackness i know lot would prefer to be Lighteri know some call them self indian to hide the black but that dont mean we in our DR we dont have indian roots.

Racism does exist in DR but not like in other parts of the world, this is a world problem for thousands of years ,look around the world ,people hate each ether, will alway say it, DR bigest racism problem is base on how much money you have.

just think of this penagomes wining the Election 96 but while they was counting the votes the light went off then when it come back he was losing.the problem was the Corruption of Politicians like balaguer which united withPLD in the #2 round just to not see pena gomes in power .and still pena was close to win .
this should tell you DR is not so racist like people want it to be. just to talk more mielda about beautyfull DR. and for all of you dominican ho think we dont have indian roots its just your opinion comemierda.



for haters
i'm finish and by the way call me indio .. hahahahahahah que digan porai que soy un loco hahahahha oh and sorry for spelling and gramar and


don't be scare i'm just dominican

 

[Criss Colon]

"A LITTLE BLACK,Behind the Ear"!!!!!!!!!

Is a popular saying in the DR!
Ever notice how it is the "so called" White Dominicans who are the ones who get so worked up trying to "classify" the Dominican population?? Do they have something to hide? Something,"Behind Their Ear" possibly!

Maybe the "US" system IS better."If you ain't WHITE,you are Black"!

Saves a lot of time! Even if you are a "Pacific Islander",Asian,Indian,Arab,Turk,Mexican,Carribean,and yes,even Dominican,we just lump you all together and call you,......................,well,lets leave that part out!

I don't know what is like not to be a "WASP"! But I try to have empathy for those who are not!Doesn't always work,but I do try!
I don't like white racists/biggots,and I don't like Black racists/biggots!
And I hate "Political Correctness",it surpresses issues that need to be brought to light!For example,it is fine to talk about Bill Clintons sexual transgressions,but if you talk about Rev.Martin Luther King jr's you are a biggot" How about "Jessie's" sexual affairs?

Now to answer "Night Owl's" comparison of a Dominican living in the USA and complaining about "Things" in the USA,and me,living in the DR, and complaining about "things" here. Well,mi "Indio Clara",or wharever you wish to be called(I should say, "American Wannabe!)This is "DR1",not "USA1"!We are SUPPOSED to post about the DR,not the rest of the World!So why not try to solve the "problems" here in the DR,and not just say that, "Things are worse in the USA!"everytime you feel threatened?
Recognizing that you have problems,is the first step to solving those problems!
Maybe the reason so many Dominicans leave this place is because they can't seem to be able to do that!
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[Stodgord]

I WOULD LIKE 2 KNOW WHY IN DR I SEEN BLACK BUT THE MOST BLACK YOU CAN SEE WITH Straight HAIR , dead like hell.
2me Personally this have 2 do with Background of indio ,you cant not get this from a white person and a black. sometime this black dominican with Straight hair look like they from india for some reason i have Confused some of then in new york ,and what they tell me is not to worry because people Confused them all the time.

Also i would like 2 know why is lots of dominicans that look like mexica .no joke i have Confused a lot of then and all the time i get Surprise.

2 me as dominican i'm will never say that their no indian Ancestry in lot of dominicans .

You can get me all the Proof you can and still will never change the way i see things.



.I know lots of dominicans try to hide they blackness i know lot would prefer to be Lighteri know some call them self indian to hide the black but that dont mean we in our DR we dont have indian roots.

Racism does exist in DR but not like in other parts of the world, this is a world problem for thousands of years ,look around the world ,people hate each ether, will alway say it, DR bigest racism problem is base on how much money you have.

just think of this penagomes wining the Election 96 but while they was counting the votes the light went off then when it come back he was losing.the problem was the Corruption of Politicians like balaguer which united withPLD in the #2 round just to not see pena gomes in power .and still pena was close to win .
this should tell you DR is not so racist like people want it to be. just to talk more mielda about beautyfull DR. and for all of you dominican ho think we dont have indian roots its just your opinion comemierda.



for haters
i'm finish and by the way call me indio .. hahahahahahah que digan porai que soy un loco hahahahha oh and sorry for spelling and gramar and


don't be scare i'm just dominican

I am Dominican and if you see me you will confuse me for an Indian. Even Indians think that I am Indian and try to speak to me in their language. When I went to the Bahrain and the UAE, I had the same experience, the people there thought that I was either Arab, Indian or Pakistani. This does not mean that I don't have African blood in me. Anyway, my bloodline composition is as follows:

Mom: White and probably a mixture of Taino in her. Her father was white and her mother is mestizo. My mom is the darkest in her immediate family and was nickname "La negra". Everyone from her childhood knows her as "la Negra" but she is not black. She has straight hair and fair complexion like a mestizo. The reason why she was given that nickname was because she was the darkest among her siblins.

Father:Black, mulatto and white. His african blood is more prominent as he is dark and has african hair. His father who was black in color and hair was a descendant of Haitian and white. His mother was fair skinned and had straight hair. All in all, in the Dominican Republic there has been a long period of mixing and re-mixing that you can't no longer speculate what your kids will come out to look like.

My immediate family: I married a dominican from the Eastern side of DR. Her father is white and her mom can be categorize as a mestizo. If you see my wife, she can pass as a white person. She gets pissed off when other group tells her that she does not look Dominican but rather Colombian or Central American. My dauther is fair skinned but has thin curly hair, my son on the other hand is dark and has thin straight hair like an Indian from India.

All in All, Dominican are just latino or hispanics. This is why when I fill out any US paper I always check the Hispanic or latino slot. If they are not one of the choices, I write it down. I am aware of my composition (African, White and Taino) but as I mentioned before I can't relate to Black American nor can relate to white Americans because we are of two different culture. Perhaps, my kids will because they will be raised in the US.

 

[Jon S.]

It's called classism what people do less of in DR, I Kill for time. Racism is so obvious down there, it's ridiculous. I never had to deal with racist people until I moved to the DR for high school. There were many times when I couldn't get into clubs because the bouncers wouldn't let me in until I just started showing up with the owners of the place or someone who knew them. When I was born I was pale and white, until I was 13 and after that, everything changed.....cogi un poco de color, like they say. Best thing that could've happened to me. There aren't any descendants of Tainos in DR, the only thing that DR has from Tainos is the cultural influence which is all over the place, but no genetics were inherited from them. I'll go with CC on this one.........Nalo is not making any sense right now.

 

[NALs]

I am Dominican and if you see me you will confuse me for an Indian. Even Indians think that I am Indian and try to speak to me in their language. When I went to the Bahrain and the UAE, I had the same experience, the people there thought that I was either Arab, Indian or Pakistani. This does not mean that I don't have African blood in me. Anyway, my bloodline composition is as follows:

Mom: White and probably a mixture of Taino in her. Her father was white and her mother is mestizo. My mom is the darkest in her immediate family and was nickname "La negra". Everyone from her childhood knows her as "la Negra" but she is not black. She has straight hair and fair complexion like a mestizo. The reason why she was given that nickname was because she was the darkest among her siblins.

Father:Black, mulatto and white. His african blood is more prominent as he is dark and has african hair. His father who was black in color and hair was a descendant of Haitian and white. His mother was fair skinned and had straight hair. All in all, in the Dominican Republic there has been a long period of mixing and re-mixing that you can't no longer speculate what your kids will come out to look like.

My immediate family: I married a dominican from the Eastern side of DR. Her father is white and her mom can be categorize as a mestizo. If you see my wife, she can pass as a white person. She gets pissed off when other group tells her that she does not look Dominican but rather Colombian or Central American. My dauther is fair skinned but has thin curly hair, my son on the other hand is dark and has thin straight hair like an Indian from India.

All in All, Dominican are just latino or hispanics. This is why when I fill out any US paper I always check the Hispanic or latino slot. If they are not one of the choices, I write it down. I am aware of my composition (African, White and Taino) but as I mentioned before I can't relate to Black American nor can relate to white Americans because we are of two different culture. Perhaps, my kids will because they will be raised in the US.

Thank you for writing that post, especially the last paragraph!

Any better than that would be too much for most people here to comprehend.

Anyways, notice how it is either the Americans or Dominicans who live in the US who constantly "suggest" that Dominicans are all black and/or that the black/white mentality should be used.

I wonder what the average Euro DR1er thinks of all of this...

Then again, they might be as confused as many Dominicans with the black/white mentality. I know many European and Latin Americans who just don't understand why in the US one drop of black blood causes a person to be considered black. You can have seven white grandparents and one black one and that black one is enough to make you black in the US.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Anyways, any clearer than what Stodgord has explained would be too much for most people here who are very closed minded.

I may appear to have a closed mind, but in reality I'm trying to see the logic in the black/white mentality. I don't think people who believe in such are not making any sense, I just believe that they have not explained themselves well as to why they believe in such thing. Saying that its based on looks doesn't count because looks can and are deceiving.

Anyways, I think my point has been well made here. Those who are intelligent enough to see what I am saying already got the point. This does not mean that they agree with me, but that they know what I am saying.

For others, they will always claim that I'm not making sense, unless I agree with what they are saying and that will not happen until I am convinced.

Anyways, if people want to keep discussing this with me, then PM.

As far as this thread is concerned, I am done posting here. I have put enough info here to write a book!