DR Expels up to 700 Haitians Daily

[Kipling333]

Well there you go !! Your four census takers out of the 30,000 national census takers have done a great job. !1

 

[bob saunders]

Well there you go !! Your four census takers out of the 30,000 national census takers have done a great job. !1

No, they were all over Santiago last week as well.

 

[NanSanPedro]

They have been swarming my neighborhood for a week. They even count the houses that are unoccupied and note that they are empty. They come back at least three times if nobody is home. We know quite a few of the census takers, former students or clients. The four women doing our area are from the neighborhood. Census usually does count the non-citizens and make note of their country of origin.

We just had 2 women at our gate an hour ago. My kid talked to them in Spanish. So I am now counted. I will ask him later all of what he told them.

 

[johne]

Three more days to run before the census time expires and still absolutely no one that I know of ,including myself, has seen a census collector or the security person. The last census said the DR had 10,953,714 people living here, a most precise figure and so I wondered if the daily deportee figure was equally precise. By the way , according to the official site ,all people resident in the house should be counted whether a citizen or not so the census collector was correct and she no doubt counted you in as an illegal!!

Well, contrary to what some members (especially the Jefe in charge of D'Affairs of Legal/Not legal)I am not illegal. I pay my dues to Jet Blue Every 28 days I leave by choice. And return 12-14 days later. Going on 3 years now. Slipped one by one day miscount. Paid the $25 (?)at immigration gladly and went on my way.
I agree she probably counted me in despite my know-it-all attitude. I'm sure she wanted my name so as to make a notation" Dam fool f ning gringo."

 

[keepcoming]

The thread is about the DR expelling 700 Haitians daily. Some of you are going way off topic.

 

[D'Arcy (Apostropheman)]

The only reason DR is not US territory is because of Haiti.
Yes way back in the 1800s US though about signing a trade similar to Puerto Rico but when the Americans politicians who made decision at that time realized that buying the orange the seeds will be included in the deal they changed their minds...

JJ

Whatever the reason the DR is better off

The World is watching and is not impressed. The DR seems to be violating international rules/laws and has been called out for it. IMO it would be better for the DR and Haiti if they could come to an agreement/arrangement to work things out and act in unity instead of all the pointless grandstanding and unfriendliness.

It's pretty obvious that it would be more sensible to work together since they share an island.

 

[NanSanPedro]

Whatever the reason the DR is better off

The World is watching and is not impressed. The DR seems to be violating international rules/laws and has been called out for it. IMO it would be better for the DR and Haiti if they could come to an agreement/arrangement to work things out and act in unity instead of all the pointless grandstanding and unfriendliness.

It's pretty obvious that it would be more sensible to work together since they share an island.

I agree in theory, but given Haiti has no govt now, the practicality of that is impossible.

 

[Kipling333]

I have just been reading the source of this posting and it is from The Haitian Times and their article is based on a single tweet from S.Homero Figueroa , who is a Director of communications. and there are dozens of replies to the tweet nearly of all say ..no lo creo.. There is absolutely no mention in the tweet of how this 700 figure was arrived at or where the deportees were picked up from . It does not mention anything about the daily number of people entering the DR from Haiti nor whether those deported are multiple offenders. The replies to the tweet that forms the basis of the original posting are predictable.

 

[Naked_Snake]

IMO it would be better for the DR and Haiti if they could come to an agreement/arrangement to work things out and act in unity instead of all the pointless grandstanding and unfriendliness.

It's pretty obvious that it would be more sensible to work together since they share an island.

What NanSanPedro said, it is impossible (even utopian) to even entertain the notion since there is no legitimate government over there to speak of. And historically, even on the times there has been some sort of normalcy, all agreements signed between the DR and Haitian governments have been olympically disrespected whenever a new party has come to power in Haiti, alleging illegitimacy on the part of the previous party to take such a step. You all international people with progressive leanings seem to work under the notion that Haiti is, or has been, a normal country, when facts on the ground have shown that they have been anything but.

 

[johne]

You all international people with progressive leanings seem to work under the notion that Haiti is,

Love this.."progressive leanings"...AKA...HUh, you would do what??

 

[johne]

I have just been reading the source of this posting and it is from The Haitian Times and their article is based on a single tweet from S.Homero Figueroa , who is a Director of communications. and there are dozens of replies to the tweet nearly of all say ..no lo creo.. There is absolutely no mention in the tweet of how this 700 figure was arrived at or where the deportees were picked up from . It does not mention anything about the daily number of people entering the DR from Haiti nor whether those deported are multiple offenders. The replies to the tweet that forms the basis of the original posting are predictable.

Furthers the point on how is the census conducted ??

 

[Naked_Snake]

Love this.."progressive leanings"...AKA...HUh, you would do what??

Oh, you know the type. I know discussing US politics alone and without tying it to the currently discussed subject is forbidden, but they are usually card carrying for the donk party, have worked under the peace corps or some sort of NGO, and view Haitians and other islanders as their pet project to assuage their consciences about having had it good in life.

 

[malko]

Oh, you know the type. I know discussing US politics alone and without tying it to the currently discussed subject is forbidden, but they are usually card carrying for the donk party, have worked under the peace corps or some sort of NGO, and view Haitians and other islanders as their pet project to assuage their consciences about having had it good in life.

Oh, OK, anybody that's not a Boomer then..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Naked_Snake]

Darcy, unlike most Domis, I have taken upon myself the task of studying the neighbor from head to feet, and their language seem to be full with instructive aforisms that can give one a glimpse on their mindset. One of such sayings from them goes by "Constitutions are made of paper, while bayonets are made of steel". Instructive on more than one level, I'd say.

 

[bachata]

Who said? La constitución es un pedacito de papel! La corrucción se para en la puerta de mi despacho!
Former president Balaguer.

JJ

 

[Naked_Snake]

Who said? La constitución es un pedacito de papel! La corrucción se para en la puerta de mi despacho!
Former president Balaguer.

JJ

Yeah, but that can be interpreted as totally ignoring it. On the Haitian case, on the contrary, it is a show that he who has the more numerous armed force will carry the day, constitutions and agreements be damned. In other words, Haitians only respect agreements as long as the other side has the armed force to enforce their compliance with such.

 

[D'Arcy (Apostropheman)]

I subscribe - here it is.. (sourced I think from Listin Diario)
Haiti’s closest neighbor, the Dominican Republic, has intensified the expulsion of Haitians – sending at least 108,000 across the shared border this year – as its leaders insist they cannot be “asked to do more” to help Haiti.

A variety of organizations have provided an array of statistics about the number returned, with differences in the time periods they compiled information.

• Between August and October, the DR repatriated 60,204 Haitians, bringing the total number for this year to 108,436, a spokesman for the DR President’s office, Homero Figueroa, said in a Nov.9 tweet.
• An estimated 8,660 have been sent back across the border, with 1,500 turned away, in October alone, according to GARR, which in French stands for Support Group for Repatriated and Refugees, a watchdog and advocacy group. In the October report, GARR said the repatriated include 1,732 women, 6,442 men, 79 girls and 306 boys.
• From Oct. 17 to 24, GARR reported, at least 5,000 Haitians were returned.
• In all, GARR stated, between 300 and 700 Haitians are returned daily from various regional cities bordering the two countries, such as Cornillon, Savanette and Fonds-Verrettes, through the land border.

GARR said the DR is also violating repatriation rules between the two countries that ban repatriation after 6 p.m.

“The places where the buses drop Haitians are not officially designated areas, which expose Haitians to multiple human’s rights violations,’’ a GARR representative said.

UN condemns, DR insists it’s been too supportive

The reports come days after the United Nations High Commissioner, Volker Turk, requested Nov. 10 that Dominican Republic president Luis Abinader stop the deportations of Haitians due to the “incessant armed violence and the systematic violations of human rights.”

In response, Abinader said the repatriation of Haitians living illegally in the country will continue and increase. He called Turk’s statements “irresponsible and unacceptable” and said “no other country in the world has been as supportive of Haiti, so the Dominican Republic cannot be asked for more.”

The exchanges between Turk and Abinader occurred just one day after the DR’s General Directorate of Migration announced it had repatriated 60,204 Haitian nationals between August 1 to October 31 through a series of nationwide operations.

Abinader said his government will not only continue with the deportations, but that it will increase them next week, the Dominican daily, El Listin Dario reported.

Also https://dominicantoday.com/dr/world...ollective-hunting-against-haitians-in-the-dr/

World November 16, 2022 | 5:32 pm

Joseph denounces to the UN alleged “collective hunting” against Haitians in the DR​

Source: EFE


Former Haitian Prime Minister Claude Joseph has denounced the alleged “collective hunting” of Haitians in the Dominican Republic before the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. In a statement, the office of Haiti’s former Minister of Foreign Affairs alluded to the fact that this “hunt” had previously existed but had been intensified. “Hundreds of Haitians are systematically tracked down, illegally arrested, arbitrarily detained, and brutally returned to official and unofficial points every day,” he said.
According to Joseph, repatriations do not allow Haitians to reclaim their property and, on occasion, “are carried out at the expense of separating the parents from their minor children.” Furthermore, he stated that repatriations are made without an examination of the specific situation of each of those affected.
The letter is addressed in French to Volker Türk, who last week asked Dominican authorities to halt “forced” deportations of Haitians back to their homeland because “constant” armed violence and “systematic” violations of human rights do not allow for a safe, dignified, and sustainable return.

 

[D'Arcy (Apostropheman)]

It's very easy for some people to state, like a fact but of course just opinion, that it's impossible for a variety of reasons to help Haiti or for Haiti to ever have a Government and to fix the issues that have accumulated over the years. In MY opinion, never say never

Right now Canada is leading an effort to form a coalition of other countries to come to aid Haiti, not invade it and force it to comply with someone else's wishes, and has already pledged millions. Time will tell how this turns out but, there is always opportunity for those willing to offer and others willing to accept. No none said that it would be easy or simple or even fast but to say that it's impossible is simply wrong.

 

[Auryn]

I will ask this earnestly: are there any countries running refugee programs for Haitians?
We had 14 families from the Ukraine come to our small city in Canada in May of this year, expedited. Some had no passports.

 

[NALs]

Also https://dominicantoday.com/dr/world...ollective-hunting-against-haitians-in-the-dr/

World November 16, 2022 | 5:32 pm

Joseph denounces to the UN alleged “collective hunting” against Haitians in the DR​

Source: EFE


Former Haitian Prime Minister Claude Joseph has denounced the alleged “collective hunting” of Haitians in the Dominican Republic before the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. In a statement, the office of Haiti’s former Minister of Foreign Affairs alluded to the fact that this “hunt” had previously existed but had been intensified. “Hundreds of Haitians are systematically tracked down, illegally arrested, arbitrarily detained, and brutally returned to official and unofficial points every day,” he said.
According to Joseph, repatriations do not allow Haitians to reclaim their property and, on occasion, “are carried out at the expense of separating the parents from their minor children.” Furthermore, he stated that repatriations are made without an examination of the specific situation of each of those affected.
The letter is addressed in French to Volker Türk, who last week asked Dominican authorities to halt “forced” deportations of Haitians back to their homeland because “constant” armed violence and “systematic” violations of human rights do not allow for a safe, dignified, and sustainable return.

Dominicans deported from the USA upon their arrival in the country. Lets pretend for a moment that some of them had minor children, properties, etc in the USA. Afterall, it's evident the presence of children and large boxes carrying their stuff.

I guess the DR should copy the USA, which is the country the UN is in.

Oh wait...