Electric Cars in the DR

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This is what China does - they screw over the world
I do not think China is doing anything...yet.

These electric cars appear to be so called grey-market cars. Imported new from other destinations by private sellers or dealers. They are produced in China for Honda under an agreement with other Chinese vehicle makers, i.e., dong-feng etc. They are not, as the notice indicates, authorized for sale in the DR and thus carry no warranty through the authorized dealer.

The one thing I find most disturbing taking place in the DR is the practice of importing electric vehicles from China and re-badging them under a different brand name in the DR. You really do not know what you are buying.


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Apparently, a new EV is in the DR. It’s the Arcfox Alpha T5 (until now never heard of it) from China. Supposedly it has the longest driving range with one charge and is safer than a Tesla.


How many car brands do the Chinese have?
 
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Apparently, a new EV is in the DR. It’s the Arcfox Alpha T5 (until now never heard of it) from China. Supposedly it has the longest driving range with one charge and is safer than a Tesla.


How many car brands do the Chinese have?
Supposedly safer? By whose standards of testing? Certainly not NHTSA.....

Estimates range between 100-200 (down from about 500).

This vehicle is manufactured by a subsidiary of BAIC (Beijing Automotive Group). To better understand this think of GM and all the brands that once existed under their umbrella (Chevrolet/Pontiac/Oldsmobile/Buick/GMC, etc.).

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I'm guessing Even a fender bender will take that off the roads for good.
 
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They built a very large EV charging station in Bavaro. I pass by all the time and I have NEVER seen one car there charging. They have a food place and kids section too. Complete waste of money...........................
 
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They built a very large EV charging station in Bavaro. I pass by all the time and I have NEVER seen one car there charging. They have a food place and kids section too. Complete waste of money...........................
That was built by Evergo. That company is still not profitable and the investors don’t expect it to be in the short term. They are investing looking at long term returns.

It’s similar with many businesses. For example, when Sirena opened in Higüey there weren’t many customers as the store remained mostly empty (full of stuff) during the day. Today go to Sirena in Higüey, especially on pay days…

Another one is Grupo Punta Cana. Oh yes, today it has made the Rainieri very rich, but that company did spend something like 2 decades with losses after losses. Now it’s profitable, key word is now.
 

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That was built by Evergo. That company is still not profitable and the investors don’t expect it to be in the short term. They are investing looking at long term returns.

It’s similar with many businesses. For example, when Sirena opened in Higüey there weren’t many customers as the store remained mostly empty (full of stuff) during the day. Today go to Sirena in Higüey, especially on pay days…

Another one is Grupo Punta Cana. Oh yes, today it has made the Rainieri very rich, but that company did spend something like 2 decades with losses after losses. Now it’s profitable, key word is now.
Your examples are about people as customers. We know there are plenty of those here. But EV's, Nunca.................
 
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Your examples are about people as customers. We know there are plenty of those here. But EV's, Nunca.................
Most EV's in the DR (last check was around 2,750) rely mostly on home charging.

That charging station in Bavaro, as NALS points out, was built by Evergo.

Evergo is a multinational subsidiary of InterEnergy, who also own CEPM.......the electricity provider of the PC region and financial supporter of Evergo.......


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Most EV's in the DR (last check was around 2,750) rely mostly on home charging.



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They have a long way to go...............And I am sure that the number is a lot higher than this one..........

Statistics from the Department of Economic Studies of the Internal Revenue Directorate of the Dominican Republic show that, as of December 2022, there are 5.5 million vehicles circulating in the Dominican Republic, reflecting a 6 percent increase from 2022.Jan 1, 2024
 

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Your examples are about people as customers. We know there are plenty of those here. But EV's, Nunca.................
Let me know when Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Maserati, etc become brands for the masses…

Heck, there are successful businesses where most of their customers are expats and expats make up 1%, maybe 2% of the population? It could be a lot less than 1%.
 

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Let me know when Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Maserati, etc become brands for the masses…

Heck, there are successful businesses where most of their customers are expats and expats make up 1%, maybe 2% of the population? It could be a lot less than 1%.
But you are talking about those cars pulling up to a gas station and leaving in FIVE minutes. No one here wants to wait an hour or a lot more to be on their way......And for sure Dominicans who are always in a hurry on the roads............
 

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But you are talking about those cars pulling up to a gas station and leaving in FIVE minutes. No one here wants to wait an hour or a lot more to be on their way......And for sure Dominicans who are always in a hurry on the roads............
The sale of electric cars are having an upward trend in the DR and everybody knows energizing those vehicles isn’t like putting gas to conventional vehicles.
 

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The sale of electric cars are having an upward trend in the DR and everybody knows energizing those vehicles isn’t like putting gas to conventional vehicles.
I was in a couple of EV Uber cars in Santo Domingo. Maybe it works quite well in the city.
 

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They built a very large EV charging station in Bavaro. I pass by all the time and I have NEVER seen one car there charging. They have a food place and kids section too. Complete waste of money...........................
I agree Useless shame to place is nice... some tiger try to sell me his Telsa I ask him when it breaks down where do I take it for repair . he walked away after my statement.
 
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It works quite well in Punta Cana too. The vast majority there are used locally and are home/business charged.


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How long does it take to charge an EV with a regular outlet?


Domestic Outlet/Home Charging (Level 1): A standard three-prong outlet with 110V/120V doesn't charge an electric vehicle at great speeds, but it's good for plugging your car in overnight so that it's charged in the morning. With level one charging, you can usually expect about 24 hours for a full charge to be complete.

24 hours compared to 5 minutes at a gas station...........LOL
 
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How long does it take to charge an EV with a regular outlet?


Domestic Outlet/Home Charging (Level 1): A standard three-prong outlet with 110V/120V doesn't charge an electric vehicle at great speeds, but it's good for plugging your car in overnight so that it's charged in the morning. With level one charging, you can usually expect about 24 hours for a full charge to be complete.

24 hours compared to 5 minutes at a gas station...........LOL
The CEO of Toyota Japan is pushing hard on their production of hydrogen fuelled ICE vehicles and hydrogen ICE electric hybrids. 0 emissions and less than a minute to refuel. They are counting on consumers who don’t want to deal with the irritations of recharging EV’s, their distance limitations, and their expense. Governments in the US and Canada have invested billions In the form of loans and tax subsidies to car and battery manufacturers to bolster EV production. It will be hard for car manufacturers to derail that train but they will limit EV sales to a total of 30% worldwide according to the Toyota CEO with hydrogen powered ICE vehicles. Ultimately, consumers will decide what they want. Not governments.
 
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How long does it take to charge an EV with a regular outlet?


Domestic Outlet/Home Charging (Level 1): A standard three-prong outlet with 110V/120V doesn't charge an electric vehicle at great speeds, but it's good for plugging your car in overnight so that it's charged in the morning. With level one charging, you can usually expect about 24 hours for a full charge to be complete.
No one I know uses a standard house charger power cord (Level 1).

A Level 2 is what the Nissan Leaf's in Punta Cana are using. Level 2 is 8 times faster than Level 1 and can recharge a vehicle at a rate of about 32 mph (the distance not the speed).

Since the average person drives under 40 miles per day, the time to charge at home/business with a Level 2 charger is slightly over 1 hour..........usually done in the evening/at night/at a home or business.

24 hours compared to 5 minutes at a gas station...........LOL
With a Level 2 charger there is no need to even waste 5 minutes at a gas station lol.

....And that charging station in Bavaro that you indicated was a "complete waste of money".......it was your money that built it via CEPM.


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How long does it take to charge an EV with a regular outlet?


Domestic Outlet/Home Charging (Level 1): A standard three-prong outlet with 110V/120V doesn't charge an electric vehicle at great speeds, but it's good for plugging your car in overnight so that it's charged in the morning. With level one charging, you can usually expect about 24 hours for a full charge to be complete.

24 hours compared to 5 minutes at a gas station...........LOL
Except for people that live in their cars (or work in them too), most people spend most of their lives outside of them and most cars spend more times parked and off than on and driving.

I really don’t see why you are attempting to discard electric cars. They are here to stay and as I implied previously, every year there are more electric cars in Dominican roads and that is not changing anytime soon.
 
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Except for people that live in their cars (or work in them too), most people spend most of their lives outside of them and most cars spend more times parked and off than on and driving.

I really don’t see why you are attempting to discard electric cars. They are here to stay and as I implied previously, every year there are more electric cars in Dominican roads and that is not changing anytime soon.
I don't know if they are here to stay. As they become 10 years old with little value left because the batteries are kaput & people will compare them to a 10-year old Camry with 130,000 miles which could provide another 100,000 miles of service.
Once hydrogen fuel cells become reality EVs will become a historical failure.