Fernandez says he?s Bosch reincarnate

[A.Hidalgo]

Another winner from Leonel. The man says he is the incarnate of Juan Bosch. If anybody knows even a tiny bit of history of what Bosch stood for, they will know that Leonel is plain and simply delusional. What bothers me is that none of the guests walked out.

Santo Domingo. - President Leonel Fernandez today said he’s professor Juan Bosch in the flesh to the point that Boschism is in power and that it’s the late political leader who’s really governing.

El Presidente Leonel Fern?ndez asegur? ayer que “quien gobierna la Rep?blica Dominicana es Juan Bosch”, porque se pone en ejecuci?n el ideario del fundador y l?der del Partido de la Liberaci?n Dominicana. Dijo que el bochismo est? en el poder y que su “modesto” papel es de legatario, de gu?a, para la aplicaci?n de las ideas de Bosch desde el Estado en la construcci?n de la democracia, la libertad y el progreso.

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/lo...osch-reincarnate/comment-posted#comments-note

Los ideales de Bosch gobiernan con Leonel - Hoy Digital

 

[Lambada]

What bothers me is that none of the guests walked out.

In the audience were representatives from Cuba, Brazil, Venezuela, M?xico, Nicaragua, Hait?, Per?, Puerto Rico, Ecuador, France, Spain & the US, according to Hoy. Perhaps none of them consider LF important enough to cause a diplomatic rumpus over? Or they don't believe anything he says in any case? That'd be one in the eye for him........Maybe he should look with the other eye in the direction of what is happening in Honduras.

 

[tflea]

Sounds like ego run amuck; but doubt he'll be overrun by the military and whisked off to Cosa Rica !!

 

[frank recktenwald]

Sounds like ego run amuck; but doubt he'll be overrun by the military and whisked off to Cosa Rica !!

They?re eating from the same plate

 

[tflea]

Did I write Cosa Rica?
Maybe that's more appropriate anyway.

 

[malikp]

Bosch died while he was alive though so it couldn't be a reincarnate lmao.

 

[margaret]

Did Fernandez actually say he was Bosch reincarnated? Or is that the journalist's reading of his remarks? Does anyone actually have the text of his speech?

I think it was rhetoric, brand building ... like "we're following in Bosch's footsteps". It's always good to build your own identity positioning yourself near the image of a respected deceased individual. (He or she can't denounce you.) The fact that Fernandez wants to be associated with Bosch isn't such a bad thing, is it? "Non-aligned", "intellectual", democratic...

As for walking out the of meeting, I bet most of the diplomats and representatives in attendance had to be briefed in the first place on who was Bosch. With respect to all of you who know your own history really well and who is Bosch and admire him and even lived through those years, I'm sorry to say you are part of a relatively small circle who know that history. You know that, I'm not telling you anything you don't know. Educate people on him, don't keep the knowledge to yourself.

I'm glad that Fernandez is speaking out about Honduras. So he should, if he ever wants to have a referendum on changing the constitution himself, he'd better go on record that referendums are a democratic instrument. I think he's a forward looking democrat and not from the old school of caudillos.

I never hear about any contender except Fernandez on DR1. But then again why am I looking for a strong leader? That speaks volumes about my own development and views when it comes to democracy.

 

[NALs]

Boschismo and claiming to be the reincarnated Bosch are two different things. The former is based on the ideology proposed by Juan Bosch (and that's what Fernandez was alluding to) and the latter is just nonsense from people who don't agree with Fernandez or the PLD on various issues.

NALs

 

[A.Hidalgo]

Bosch's presidency was founded on four fundamental priorities. After reading them, I come away with the unmistakable opinion that Leonel is no Bosch. For those who have some knowledge about Dominican history Leonel's disingenuousness is glaring..:disappoin

1.Full respect for the independence of the three branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial.

2. Full respect for civil and political rights of all citizens.

3. Full respect for the honest and efficient use of public funds.

4. Full respect for a system of equal opportunities for all.

 

[BushBaby]

My view is that Leonel is ill advised to try & attach himself to the Good Name of Bosch - their approach to politics are completely different & Leonel (although he originally SAID he would be a man for the people AND the Country) has failed to bring about any form of credibility to the political movements of the country. The 'die-hards' of corruption, nepotism, mismanagement of public funds & the lies that propagate these, are still front runners at all elections. This might well be proven by the academics of history & then he (Leonel) will be despised for having tried to make himself out to be something he is not.

Just MY two pennyworth ~ Grahame

 

[Fishguy]

Boschismo and claiming to be the reincarnated Bosch are two different things. The former is based on the ideology proposed by Juan Bosch (and that's what Fernandez was alluding to) and the latter is just nonsense from people who don't agree with Fernandez or the PLD on various issues.-NALs

Okay, before my time is up (Lie-onel wants to make it illegal for foreigners to participate in any political discussion), I've got to ask you this Nals.

The quote from DT was:"President Leonel Fernandez today said he’s professor Juan Bosch in the flesh to the point that Boschism is in power and that it’s the late political leader who’s really governing."

Perhaps the translation went awry, but does that sound like a sane man? Why do you continually defend that idiot. Lie-onel has not and will not do anything for this country that doesn't benefit his pocketbook. The guy is a crook, and the sooner people realize that, the better.

There was no allusion to Boschism at all. The quack said he was Bosch in person. To any Dominican with half a brain, this is an insult as he is closer to being Tweety Bird than he is to being Bosch.

 

[Chirimoya]

To be fair to Leonel, and upon reading the Hoy article as opposed to the babblefished version, it is evident that he is speaking figuratively and is not actually saying that he is receiving instructions from beyond the grave.

To any Dominican with half a brain, this is an insult as he is closer to being Tweety Bird than he is to being Bosch.

Totally agree.

 

[bob saunders]

My view is that Leonel is ill advised to try & attach himself to the Good Name of Bosch - their approach to politics are completely different & Leonel (although he originally SAID he would be a man for the people AND the Country) has failed to bring about any form of credibility to the political movements of the country. The 'die-hards' of corruption, nepotism, mismanagement of public funds & the lies that propagate these, are still front runners at all elections. This might well be proven by the academics of history & then he (Leonel) will be despised for having tried to make himself out to be something he is not.

Just MY two pennyworth ~ Grahame

I think Leonel did a much better job in his first term, but I think Leonel has his hands tied to a certain extent by the true powers in the DR.

 

[BushBaby]

I think Leonel did a much better job in his first term, but I think Leonel has his hands tied to a certain extent by the true powers in the DR.

Now THEM is fighting words to our NALs Bob S. From his posts, NALs appears to be the reincarnate of the reincarnate via his Maestro Leonel.

I would agree that the first four years Leonel seemed to be doing a better job for the country but his more recent years show a desire to be considered something he can not achieve & it is P*$$*ng him off big time. I would DISAGREE that his hands are tied 'to a certain extent by the true powers' - to me his hands, feet, whole body are tied down on a chair (albeit a flying one with all the trips he makes) & he has stopped thinking of 'The Country' so as to concentrate on his 'Legacy'!! Such a waste of a good brain which could have done SO MUCH for the country!! ~ Grahame.

 

[A.Hidalgo]

I think Leonel did a much better job in his first term, but I think Leonel has his hands tied to a certain extent by the true powers in the DR.

And if he were to truly emulate Bosch and bring about the much needed change this country needs, the true powers you refer to would not hesitate to do the same thing that happened in Honduras.

 

[ExtremeR]

I think Leonel did a much better job in his first term, but I think Leonel has his hands tied to a certain extent by the true powers in the DR.

With this I agree 100% with you.

 

[bilijou]

In the Bosch-Balaguer spectrum, I'd say Leonel is a lot closer to Balaguer.

 

[Chirimoya]

See the comments at the foot of the Hoy article, that's what they are saying.

 

[A.Hidalgo]

Hey Berzin or El Tigre this thread is about Bosch's legacy and how Leonel is trying to wrap himself up with that legacy. NOT ABOUT HONDURAS!!!!

 

[BushBaby]

Hey Berzin or El Tigre this thread is about Bosch's legacy and how Leonel is trying to wrap himself up with that legacy. NOT ABOUT HONDURAS!!!!

SPLITTING a thread (which I totally agree is what is needed here) might be a bit beyond Berzin's paygrade A.Hildalgo. Closing/deleting is more his style & we DON'T want that to happen to the Honduras section as it has ramifications for the Dominican Republic ......... AND a fair bit of Central America too!

Moderator/Administration Jefe, please feel free to transfer this to a separate Thread a.s.a.p.

~ Grahame.