Flying home from the DR to Canada and using the land border option first hand experience

SKY

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I have seen stories that many vaccines are going to waste in the USA, so now anyone can get one if they find a place that has them. It seems almost everyone who wants them in the US has gotten them.
This is exactly right and the reason that the US will never get the upper hand on Covid. Need more than 55% vaccinated, a lot more.
 

windeguy

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This is exactly right and the reason that the US will never get the upper hand on Covid. Need more than 55% vaccinated, a lot more.
Herd immunity can be achieved from a combination of actual infections and vaccinations, albeit with more deaths and serious long term effects with the fewer vaccinations.

Keep in mind that the deaths from infection are about 5 out of 1,000 which is far less than the normally stated confirmed case deaths which are in the 2 to 3 out of 100 range. That is because far more people are infected than are confirmed to be infected.

The US vaccine hesitancy will get to herd immunity with perhaps more infections and illness complications than other countries.

I have always said the CV19 is here, there, and everywhere to stay. Nobody yet knows about how long immunity from infection or vaccinations lasts.
 

windeguy

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This is exactly right and the reason that the US will never get the upper hand on Covid. Need more than 55% vaccinated, a lot more.


And those in Canada?
 

irsav

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And those in Canada?
Population does not trust the government? Oh really?! Why?!
 

Lobo Tropical

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And those in Canada?
Wether flying to Canada, the US or elsewhere.
Vaccine refusal, covid and the next winter will have its impact on air travel and populations.


Quote:
"Christian Drosten
Whoever decides against the vaccination will become infected

The virologist Christian Drosten has clearly pointed out the consequences for vaccine opponents. Anyone who actively decides against it will inevitably at some point become infected with Covid-19.

The virologist Christian Drosten estimates that the population in Germany will become immune to the coronavirus in about the next one and a half years. This will be done through vaccination or natural infection, said the scientist from Charité Berlin in the podcast "Coronavirus Update" (NDR-Info).

“This virus will become endemic, it won't go away. And anyone who now actively decides not to be vaccinated, for example, will inevitably become infected. «There is nothing to be done about this, as the measures would be reduced further and further over time.

Then the virus circulates in the population, for example unnoticed in the throat of vaccinated people and in smaller children who cannot yet be vaccinated. “The virus will spread unrecognized under a blanket of immune protection. And then it always meets people who are not immunized by a vaccination, who are fully susceptible. "

According to the virologist, there will still be Covid 19 cases in intensive care units in the coming winter. He believes, “Those who actively decide against vaccination must know that they are also actively opting for the natural infection. Without any evaluation, ”said Drosten. It is a free choice."

 

windeguy

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1.5 more years for a population to get herd immunity (German or otherwise) is really optimistic. Endemic for much longer is far more likely.
Nobody can predict how long it will take because nobody knows how long any immunity lasts.
 

irsav

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1.5 more years for a population to get herd immunity (German or otherwise) is really optimistic. Endemic for much longer is far more likely.
Nobody can predict how long it will take because nobody knows how long any immunity lasts.
COVID-19 is EXTREMELY beneficial to ALL pension funds and pension systems in ALL countries. As it kills almost exclusively older persons over 60-65.
 

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Wether flying to Canada, the US or elsewhere.
Vaccine refusal, covid and the next winter will have its impact on air travel and populations.


Quote:
"Christian Drosten
Whoever decides against the vaccination will become infected

The virologist Christian Drosten has clearly pointed out the consequences for vaccine opponents. Anyone who actively decides against it will inevitably at some point become infected with Covid-19.

The virologist Christian Drosten estimates that the population in Germany will become immune to the coronavirus in about the next one and a half years. This will be done through vaccination or natural infection, said the scientist from Charité Berlin in the podcast "Coronavirus Update" (NDR-Info).

“This virus will become endemic, it won't go away. And anyone who now actively decides not to be vaccinated, for example, will inevitably become infected. «There is nothing to be done about this, as the measures would be reduced further and further over time.

Then the virus circulates in the population, for example unnoticed in the throat of vaccinated people and in smaller children who cannot yet be vaccinated. “The virus will spread unrecognized under a blanket of immune protection. And then it always meets people who are not immunized by a vaccination, who are fully susceptible. "

According to the virologist, there will still be Covid 19 cases in intensive care units in the coming winter. He believes, “Those who actively decide against vaccination must know that they are also actively opting for the natural infection. Without any evaluation, ”said Drosten. It is a free choice."

Appears to be Darwinian in its impact....
 

Taylor

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An update (and rant on mild frustration).

Did the home covid test on the first day, as instructed. Today is day 7, and they still don't have the results.

The frustration is that tomorrow I have to take the second test (day 8) and legally you must remain in quarantine until you have the negative result back. So in practice that means because of the utter incompetence of the government's choice of testing (switch health), the 14 day quarantine will end up being more than 14 days as weekends the lab is closed. It's likely going to be at least 18 days.
 
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An update (and rant on mild frustration).

Did the home covid test on the first day, as instructed. Today is day 7, and they still don't have the results.

The frustration is that tomorrow I have to take the second test (day 8) and legally you must remain in quarantine until you have the negative result back. So in practice that means because of the utter incompetence of the government's choice of testing (switch health), the 14 day quarantine will end up being more than 14 days as weekends the lab is closed. It's likely going to be at least 18 days.
what province are you in?
 
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An update (and rant on mild frustration).

Did the home covid test on the first day, as instructed. Today is day 7, and they still don't have the results.

The frustration is that tomorrow I have to take the second test (day 8) and legally you must remain in quarantine until you have the negative result back. So in practice that means because of the utter incompetence of the government's choice of testing (switch health), the 14 day quarantine will end up being more than 14 days as weekends the lab is closed. It's likely going to be at least 18 days.
How will you survive?
 
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