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The wash post is in the business of selling papers. They often do these tear jerking stories to cater to their base. Their business section turned into a political column aiming disdain at big business, share holders and stock investors. I will NEVER feel guilty for having ambition, working hard, saving and spending my money how I see fit. If anyone is feeling overly guilty be my guest and make a short drive to the sugar cane fields and pass out hundred dollar bills.


That's ludicrous. I'm not the one earning income from that business. So why should I pass out "hundred dollar bills?" I'm not the one who has to resort to off-shore bank accounts to hide/disguise my wealth.


Job 20:15
“He swallows riches,
But will vomit them up;
God will expel them from his belly."
 
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That's ludicrous. I'm not the one earning income from that business. So why should I pass out "hundred dollar bills?" I'm not the one who has to resort to off-shore bank accounts to hide/disguise my wealth.


Job 20:15
“He swallows riches,
But will vomit them up;
God will expel them from his belly."
That's correct you aren't making money from that business nor are you taking any risk, therefore it is none of your business what they pay their workers, who chose to work for them.
 
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No, you did not rub me the wrong way. It was not my posting. Honestly, I felt it was a slight. Not my problem. And no I don not find DR1"entertaining". Far from it honestly.
Sometimes I find it entertaining but there are serious topics too and some good info at times. Generally I think it has improved.
 
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That's ludicrous. I'm not the one earning income from that business. So why should I pass out "hundred dollar bills?" I'm not the one who has to resort to off-shore bank accounts to hide/disguise my wealth.


Job 20:15
“He swallows riches,
But will vomit them up;
God will expel them from his belly."
There is absolutely nothing illegal about offshoring. Ask the D.R Prez. Many don't agree with wages or how people are treated and dont mind telling others how to spend their money. However when it comes time to pony up, as usual, mum is the word. I am so sure you never use any sugar products!
 
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I don't believe the free zone employees make much more. JD should be able to give us the current minimum wage. And yes I would pay them more and I'm willing to pay more for everything that contains it. The less sugar people consume the better. Sugar is toxic to the body.

I believe you are right in fact. A friend of mine's son worked for Timberland, I'm pretty sure it was Timberland anyway, and the money was something like that. And when you see how these companies rant on about being eco friendly and doing good for the planet, and then see the reality of how they are pretty much using slave labor, it does make you sick.
 

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MY MIL made her living selling arepa de mais until she got a job cooking for the Mirabal family ( uncle of las mariposas). She has a grade six education and was a single mom since my wife was seven years old. My wife has two degrees from UASD, another from Colombia and another from Canada. She lived in a convent while attaining her math degree in Santo Domingo and earned her board by teaching nuns. Any poor person can succeed if they can plan, get an education and not let barriers stop them. All it takes is brains, hard work and determination. Same with her cousin, she never worked outside the house and her husband is a taxidriver but three out four of her children are professionals, one a doctor, one an electrical engineer and one a business professional.

Bob do you, an educator, seriously believe that if someone has had atrocious education, or zero schooling, and if that same parent has had a pretty awful home life - no dad, Mum working all hours to try to make ends meet, hardly any food, that this person will enter the world at 18 with exactly the same chances to make it as someone who has grown up in a stable family in the US, gone to decent school? If that really is the case, then apparently we are wasting a lot of money on educating kids at all.

Of course some will make it even if they have a terrible childhood and zero support. But you surely cannot say that if anyone is poor it's because they choose to be, that's a very worrying assertion indeed.
 
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That's correct you aren't making money from that business nor are you taking any risk, therefore it is none of your business what they pay their workers, who chose to work for them.

But it is the business of governments to put in controls to ensure that abusive practices don't happen and it is the business of the media to flag up when such abuses could be taking place. A lot of things change when the media gets behind something. And companies like these sugar companies are petrified of a bad reputation by being exposed on social media.
 
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I don't believe the free zone employees make much more. JD should be able to give us the current minimum wage. And yes I would pay them more and I'm willing to pay more for everything that contains it. The less sugar people consume the better. Sugar is toxic to the body.
Poor people consume more sugar - that's why Coca-Cola changes its formula to contain more sugar in Latin America..
Ever watch how much sugar a Dominican puts in coffee?
Raise the price it is the poor who will bear the brunt
 
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MY MIL made her living selling arepa de mais until she got a job cooking for the Mirabal family ( uncle of las mariposas). She has a grade six education and was a single mom since my wife was seven years old. My wife has two degrees from UASD, another from Colombia and another from Canada. She lived in a convent while attaining her math degree in Santo Domingo and earned her board by teaching nuns. Any poor person can succeed if they can plan, get an education and not let barriers stop them. All it takes is brains, hard work and determination. Same with her cousin, she never worked outside the house and her husband is a taxidriver but three out four of her children are professionals, one a doctor, one an electrical engineer and one a business professional.
My family drove from Oklahoma to California in the early 50s with everything we owned on the roof of the car, including mattresses and sleeping by the side of the road (it was safe then).
My dad worked in a gas station, and everything we owned was second hand.
I slept on the used couch till I was 9 and he could afford to build a 3rd bedroom for our family of 5.
We only went to the doctor if at death's door.
He went to night college although he was dead tired until he finally got a two year associates degree. And he eventually became the santitation superintendent of Santa Rosa California which allowed us a modest middle class lifestyle and me to go to college. I loaded trucks, worked as a janitor and worked in a dangerous sawmill to help pay my way while still carrying a full load of engineering classes. It sure as hell wasn't easy.
Poverty is possible to escape but as Bob says "it takes hard work, sacrifice and determination."
Those values used to be taught and valued until the "everyone gets a trophy mentality took over".
 
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That's ludicrous. I'm not the one earning income from that business. So why should I pass out "hundred dollar bills?" I'm not the one who has to resort to off-shore bank accounts to hide/disguise my wealth.
No more ludicrous perhaps than saying..........."IMO, the wealthy owners should pay those workers more. They could get easily afford it."

Nothing makes anyone more irate than other people telling you what you can afford and then what to do with YOUR money.

That having been said, two of the worlds richest people are giving the majority of their money back to the world......................to causes/charities they decide........not those dictated by any government or group that espouses the "from each according to their ability.......to each according to their needs" philosophy.
Job 20:15
“He swallows riches,
But will vomit them up;
God will expel them from his belly."
Proverbs 14:23
"All hard work brings a profit, But mere talk only leads to poverty."


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
 

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But it is the business of governments to put in controls to ensure that abusive practices don't happen and it is the business of the media to flag up when such abuses could be taking place. A lot of things change when the media gets behind something. And companies like these sugar companies are petrified of a bad reputation by being exposed on social media.
More government controls is NOT a society I want to live in. Capitalist/democracy is my preferred option. IMO.
 
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I have no idea why $125/month troubles people that "live here" in the DR. Have they ever spoken to the ppl that work in services at the hotels. I have. I know for a fact their wages to clean room 6 days a week are not much more than that.
Or, those that pump gas? I have. I can go on and on but it's useless when the one would rather read the Washington press (that's a liberal newspaper in the US isn't it? I think I read something in that paper once when I went
to the car wash and they had it on the floorboard).
As far as expose: They are trying to sell papers and the idea of socialism I think? What do I know?
 

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Bob do you, an educator, seriously believe that if someone has had atrocious education, or zero schooling, and if that same parent has had a pretty awful home life - no dad, Mum working all hours to try to make ends meet, hardly any food, that this person will enter the world at 18 with exactly the same chances to make it as someone who has grown up in a stable family in the US, gone to decent school? If that really is the case, then apparently we are wasting a lot of money on educating kids at all.

Of course some will make it even if they have a terrible childhood and zero support. But you surely cannot say that if anyone is poor it's because they choose to be, that's a very worrying assertion indeed.
That was almost exactly the life my wife had as a child. Single mom, often not enough food, no money for extras, in fact no encouragement from her mother to even go to school, my wife sold oranges and empanadas on the street before she ever attended a school. Her personal drive is why she succeeded, plus help from several nuns who encouraged her. Her father only gave her a last name, then ran off with a younger woman with whom he had ten children, so no support from him and limited contact because he lived in the capital.
 

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I also think it's easy for us who have been born into rich countries with powerful governments and excellent education/healthcare to forget what life would be like if you had the misfortune of being born into a poor family in Haiti or any poor barrio in DR. Atrocious education. Parents who often struggle to find the basics. Terrible healthcare. Not a great foundation to go on and excel in life.
Also perception plays a role. Takes "terrible healthcare." That may be a belief that is widespread among those that use private healthcare only or were born in developed countries. Few have any experience with Dominican public hospitals.

These are in Spanish, but here are the testimonies of a Venezuelan that on various times had to use Dominican public hospitals. Plus, they were medical services costs covered mostly by the Dominican state given that neither him or his wife (and underage daughters) have health insurance.

To put it simply, "terrible heslthcare" isn't quite how he describes the experiences.

In this one he says he was impressed. To him the public hospital looked like a private clinic.





He also mentions that he is friend to another Venezuelan that is a doctor in one of the public hospitals and they had a conversation about public healthcare in the DR and the medic simply has positive things to say. Even with medicines there is no shortage, in fact when he ask for medicines or medical supplies he gets a box full of them, something he never saw when he worked in a public hospital in Venezuela (which right now that's a true mess, closer to being a "terrible healthcare."

Now, those are his experiences in various Dominican public hospitals vs (how many people on DR1 has ever walked into a Dominican public hospital?)

I think "terrible healthcare" doesn't quite explains the public medical experience of most people.

This is actually a change regarding the quality of public healthcare, mostly improvements from Leonel's and Danilo's administrations and at least for now no deterioration of public heslthcare services is apparent under Luis Abinader's government.

The dichotomy between what some believe things to be like (often people that don't use the service) and how they are in reality applies to many things, wages being one of them.
 
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Many commenting they should receive higher wages have money in the bank, as do I.
But at least I support two other families and pay the rent of an older Haitian woman in a small house, who can no longer work because of diabetes.
Costs me about $1,100 US a month.
I also feed 9 dogs (only 3 are mine) and that costs me $300/mo more.
Am I stupid ? Maybe but for now, I can afford this.

I bet many here who are talking on this forum who want to 'elevate the poor' give only lip service and that is good for nada. Not even beans.
Go out an sacrifice of your own money when you see need.
 

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But it is the business of governments to put in controls to ensure that abusive practices don't happen and it is the business of the media to flag up when such abuses could be taking place. A lot of things change when the media gets behind something. And companies like these sugar companies are petrified of a bad reputation by being exposed on social media.
Famous quote.. "The middle class pay taxes, the wealthy pay accountants and the rich pay politicians"