Haiti’s leader resigns as gangs run rampant through country engulfed in crisis

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The world is sending soldiers back to Haiti — this time without Canada's help​

Ottawa has ducked U.S. pressure to put its soldiers into an unprecedented climate of violent chaos​

Evan Dyer · CBC News · Posted: Mar 16, 2024 5:00 AM ADT

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/haiti-canada-trudeau-rae-gang-violence-1.7145349

The memory of the failed 1994 UN led Haitian intervention is still fresh in the Canadian government’s mind. That spanned six years. Months ago, the Canadian government approached the DR with a proposal to set up a training base in the DR to train Haitian police forces. At the time President Abinader was pleading with the UN to do more. He was frustrated because the UN continued to ignore the Haitian problem. He killed the Canadian proposal because he didn’t want it happening on DR soil.

Canada putting military boots on the ground in Haiti was always a non starter, regardless of who was/is Prime Minister. Our last combat intervention was in Afghanistan and the Canadian military is still feeling the negative effects of the downfall of Afghanistan to the Taliban.

Canada has committed $80 million to fund a UN led intervention. Canada would also provide financial support and training to Haitian military and police forces after a UN lead intervention established some degree of law and order. It’s taking the same approach as the US. Let the Haitians resolve their own internal issues.

 

[JD Jones]

Lets send Haitian police to Canada for training.

 

[NanSanPedro]

Lets send Haitian police to Canada for training.

Like they'd come back!

 

[AlterEgo]

Like they'd come back!

You beat me to it! 😂😂😂

 

[aarhus]

The memory of the failed 1994 UN led Haitian intervention is still fresh in the Canadian government’s mind. That spanned six years. Months ago, the Canadian government approached the DR with a proposal to set up a training base in the DR to train Haitian police forces. At the time President Abinader was pleading with the UN to do more. He was frustrated because the UN continued to ignore the Haitian problem. He killed the Canadian proposal because he didn’t want it happening on DR soil.

Canada putting military boots on the ground in Haiti was always a non starter, regardless of who was/is Prime Minister. Our last combat intervention was in Afghanistan and the Canadian military is still feeling the negative effects of the downfall of Afghanistan to the Taliban.

Canada has committed $80 million to fund a UN led intervention. Canada would also provide financial support and training to Haitian military and police forces after a UN lead intervention established some degree of law and order. It’s taking the same approach as the US. Let the Haitians resolve their own internal issues.

I don’t blame Abinader and his administration for being against that. Anything that looks like the DR is interfering in Haiti is dangerous. Again only the US can interfere in Haiti. Justify it and get away with it. I know they probably don’t want to or they would have done it already. But it can become so dangerous that they have to. To avoid an exodus and many people dying. I read somewhere that they are preparing Guantanamo to keep refugees. That’s just there on the other side of Haiti.

 

[NanSanPedro]

I don’t blame Abinader and his administration for being against that. Anything that looks like the DR is interfering in Haiti is dangerous. Again only the US can interfere in Haiti. Justify it and get away with it. I know they probably don’t want to or they would have done it already. But it can become so dangerous that they have to. To avoid an exodus and many people dying. I read somewhere that they are preparing Guantanamo to keep refugees. That’s just there on the other side of Haiti.

There are a lot of Haitians that don't want the USA there. Since the Clintons and going back 100 or so years it's not been a good ending. Many Haitians believe that Haitians need to solve their own problems. I'm totally with them on that.

 

[CristoRey]

Colonialism created the two island Nations on Hispaniola.

Thank God, otherwise the DR would be just as screwed up as Haiti. Recolonization is the only shot Haiti has at ever becoming a functioning country again.

 

[aarhus]

There are a lot of Haitians that don't want the USA there. Since the Clintons and going back 100 or so years it's not been a good ending. Many Haitians believe that Haitians need to solve their own problems. I'm totally with them on that.

They have tried many times. I think that could mean Barbecue taking over.

 

[aarhus]

Thank God, otherwise the DR would be just as screwed up as Haiti. Recolonization is the only shot Haiti has at ever becoming a functioning country again.

Something like that.

 

[CristoRey]

Something like that.

Exactly like that.

 

[playacaribe2]

There are a lot of Haitians that don't want the USA there. Since the Clintons and going back 100 or so years it's not been a good ending. Many Haitians believe that Haitians need to solve their own problems. I'm totally with them on that.

And there are just as many Americans, even more, that do not want the US there.

It is bad enough our tax dollars keep getting poured into a never ending bottomless pit of corruption and mismanagement, but sacrificing our soldiers is a bridge too far….. and I speak from the experience of having lost many friends on a hill in 1969.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[aarhus]

And there are just as many Americans, even more, that do not want the US there.

It is bad enough our tax dollars keep getting poured into a never ending bottomless pit of corruption and mismanagement, but sacrificing our soldiers is a bridge too far….. and I speak from the experience of having lost many friends on a hill in 1969.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Thats is understandable. This Haiti situation is so complicated. What JD posted from Twitter about stopping the inflow of weapons would be an important first step. Only weapons to the official police force.

 

[NALs]

Like they'd come back!

The cold will make them leave….

…for Florida.

 

[NALs]

Thank God, otherwise the DR would be just as screwed up as Haiti.

Some people womder if it was a good idea to separate from Haiti in 1844. I’ll let reality speak for everyone. Most of the Haitians in the DR might not saying, but the fact they aren’t in Haiti but still in Hispaniola is their acknowledgement that was a good idea.

 

[MariaRubia]

According to the BBC, Barbecue is the most vocal but not the biggest player. They all look extremely sketchy, I guess that's a key credential for running a gang.

The men fighting gang leader Barbecue for power in Haiti

Haiti's prime minister has been forced to resign as gang violence surged - so who stands to gain?

www.bbc.com

 

[XQT]

Thats is understandable. This Haiti situation is so complicated. What JD posted from Twitter about stopping the inflow of weapons would be an important first step. Only weapons to the official police force.

Guns and weapons trafficked from US fueling Haiti gang violence

Experts say most guns smuggled from places with lax firearms laws such as Florida, Arizona and Georgia

www.theguardian.com

UN report: Modern weapons being smuggled to Haiti from US

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Increasingly sophisticated weapons are being trafficked into Haiti mainly from the United States and especially from Florida amid worsening lawlessness in the impoverished Caribbean nation, according to a U.N. report released Friday.

apnews.com

UN report: DR major source of weapons to Haiti's gangs​

Oct 25, 2023PORT-AU-PRINCE —The United Nations Panel of Experts, in its investigation into high-level government officials linked to the violence in Haiti, said in its report that the Dominican Republic is a primary source of weapons and ammunition for several gangs operating within Haiti. "The trafficking of weapons and ammunition into Haiti is a key driver of the expansion of the gang-controlled ...

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/toc/Haiti_assessment_UNODC.pdf

 

[XQT]

There are a lot of Haitians that don't want the USA there. Since the Clintons and going back 100 or so years it's not been a good ending. Many Haitians believe that Haitians need to solve their own problems. I'm totally with them on that.

Indeed,
Let Haitians solve their own problems.
Don't accuse others for your troubles and take their money.
In addition keep your problems (self created) in Haiti.
Don't export them to the DR!

 

[XQT]

From the UN report.

"As detailed in the unilateral sanctions announcements, several members of Haiti’s economic elite are suspected of involvement in criminal rackets, including influential Haitian families and members
of the diaspora in the US and the Dominican Republic.31 The announcements highlight the concentration of political and economic power in the country. A handful of Haitian family dynasties account for the vast majority of the country’s overall wealth.32 Some of them are involved in the agricultural, manufacturing, shipping and logistics sectors, while others oversee import-export operations.33 Several prominent Haitian businesspeople have also acquired honorific diplomatic titles conferring a level of immunity and reductions in import and export tax.34 Individuals involved in industrial parks warehousing imports35 and private ports have typically encountered limited oversight from government authorities.36"

It is a detailed report explaining the situation in Haiti.
Explaining DR connections and international connections.
Including the assassination of Haitis President.

An interesting read, but not for those who like bite sized info.
To understand our world, one has to reach deeper to understand d history and current affairs.

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/toc/Haiti_assessment_UNODC.pdf

 

[XQT]

The Security Council sanctions, which target individuals and entities engaging in or supporting criminal activities and violence involving armed groups and criminal networks, among other actions, have so far designated one person under the regime, namely Jimmy Cherizier, who the text identifies as one of Haiti’s most influential gang leaders and who leads an alliance of gangs known as the “G9 Family and Allies”.26 The EU has further transposed the UN sanctions into legislation.27 Unilateral sanctions, meanwhile, implicate at least eight former Haitian presidents, prime ministers, senators and businesspeople suspected of involvement in illegal activities such firearms and drug trafficking, among other crimes.2

 

[XQT]

Haiti’s primary and secondary road networks are also critical vectors for the movement of legal and illicit goods from the coasts to the Dominican Republic and from Dominican Republic into Haiti. The principal road corridors consist of the RN1 running north-south from Cap Haitien to Port-au-Prince; the RN2 that that connects Port-au-Prince to Les Cayes in the south of the country; and the RN3 that stretches west to east from Port-au-Prince through Mirebalais and Hinche to the frontier with Dominican Republic (see Map 1). Haiti also has many secondary road corridors of variable condition and more seldom, if ever, monitored by authorities. Several gangs presently control key access points to the RN1, RN2, and RN3, particularly junctures connected to Port-au-Prince. From there they can control territory, conduct kidnapping operations and extract illegal rents from passing vehicles.

Haitian and international authorities are preoccupied with how gangs have expanded their influence over access points to critical infrastructure and public facilities, presumably to strengthen their negotiating position with government authorities.84 Gang federations such as the G9, for example, blockaded access to ports and restricted access to gasoline and diesel supplies, while calling for the resignation of high-level public officials.85 Other groups such as the 5 Seconds gang have periodically controlled sections of the RN1, blocked port Latifo, Cimenterie and Moulins d’Haiti,
occupied Haiti’s main courthouse, and even freed inmates from Titanyen prison.86 Meanwhile, large gangs such as 400 Mawozo have controlled key sections of the RN3 on route to the Dominican Republic, while also facilitating drugs and firearms shipments, robbing merchandise, selling black market fuel and choking local economies.87
Airports and clandestine runways are another means of shifting legal and illegal products in and out of Haiti. Haiti has long served as a transit hub for the movement of cocaine, cannabis and to a lesser extent, heroin and amphetamines to the US and Dominican Republic. Haiti’s official airport hubs are Port-au-Prince and Cap-Haïtien, with intermittent airline services available for Hinche, Jacmel, Jérémie, Les Cayes and Port-au-Paix (see Map 1). There are several other runways located from Anse-à-Galets and L'île de la Gonâve to Port-Salut, though few of these are currently operational.8
UN report