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Haiti is a failed state in irreversible decline
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I will probably get deleted, but anyone who has been to Haiti in the last 10 years knows the futility.
"Haiti will perpetually remained failed".
Those words are as as illogical as my hope.
I have no need to prove you wrong.
Because you cannot predict the future for all time with certainty.
Past does not predict the future.
In Haiti, the Dominican Republic, or investments.
If that was the case you would have used your skills to become rich beyond all imagination.
Then in that case you would not be spending your time making posts trying to prove something that can't be proved.
And having a discussion with someone you describe as illogical.
You are welcome to your opinion.
As we all are.
Simply recognize that is all it is.
I continue to have hope for Haiti.
Those words are as as illogical as my hope.
I have no need to prove you wrong.
Because you cannot predict the future for all time with certainty.
Past does not predict the future.
In Haiti, the Dominican Republic, or investments.
If that was the case you would have used your skills to become rich beyond all imagination.
Then in that case you would not be spending your time making posts trying to prove something that can't be proved.
And having a discussion with someone you describe as illogical.
You are welcome to your opinion.
As we all are.
Simply recognize that is all it is.
I continue to have hope for Haiti.
Who said hope was a strategy?
And anyone that has ever been in a struggle knows that believing that it can be overcome is the key to everything.
Like being down a set.
5-0 in the second set.
And serving in the game and you are down 0 - 40 with a fault on your first serve.
You reach down inside you and hit that second serve like it was your first cause you have nothing to lose.
You are still in the game.
I have been there and I won that game.
Then I won that set 5-7.
Then I won the match. 6-1, 5-7, 4-6.
I continue to have hope for Haiti
It would take a Massive Focus on EDUCATION... Schools Built , and Financed .. Massive , and THEN a complete Generation at LEAST to make any significant changes .
Haiti is at this point completely HOPELESS... It is a perfect example of " no amount of Money can fix this " now even TRILLION DOLLARS could magically do it .
At least 20- 30 years in TIME are required for starters . A whole new Generation with a completely different "we can do it, and we have the Education to back it up " Mindset . .
The Previous Posters " Logic " makes absolutely no sense at all .
Hope you LIVE LONG ENOUGH to SEE it ... ( you will have a very long life then)
But Haiti definitely don't need any more religion or missionaries.
I understand both sides of this debate. Because I have skin in the game, I have some of the hope that our friend Vegas portrays. It's not blind hope either.
The country as a whole can't be helped at this point in time. I totally agree with that. It would be stupid and futile to give one demi-gourd to the Haitian government.
That does not mean of course that we can't help some. Private initiatives for micro-lending and study grants should be encouraged. Working with Haitian individuals you can trust is very important. Some will steal. I understand that and accept that risk. But others will take advantage of the opportunity to pull themselves out of poverty. As Paul says, "I have become all things to all people that by all means I might save some."
The country as a whole can't be helped at this point in time. I totally agree with that. It would be stupid and futile to give one demi-gourd to the Haitian government.
That does not mean of course that we can't help some. Private initiatives for micro-lending and study grants should be encouraged. Working with Haitian individuals you can trust is very important. Some will steal. I understand that and accept that risk. But others will take advantage of the opportunity to pull themselves out of poverty. As Paul says, "I have become all things to all people that by all means I might save some."
There is no hope.
None but yours and a little from NanSanPedro, it would seem.
There is NOTHING that will be done that will help Haiti.
This post makes my point.
Windeguy has taken the position and I quote: "Haiti will perpetually remained failed".
And here you are saying "20 - 30 years TIME are required for staters"
20 - 30 is not a perpetual time period.
So you are right.
Windeguy's logic makes absolutely no sense at all.
Yes, I do make sense. That is because no one is going to do anything to help. So that 20 to 30 years might as well be infinity. It makes no sense assuming something is going to start that change for the better and that in 30 years things will be somehow better. It's been tried and failed. No one is going to waste that time and effort.
You have done a excellent moon walk from your previous comment of: "Haiti will perpetually remained failed"
NanSanPedro and I will keep hope alive.
I am not back stepping at all. Haiti will remain perpetually failed. Prove me wrong. Who is going to change that failure to success?
Nobody. Hope doesn't do the job.
I understand that you make sense in your own mind.
And that you seem to enjoy expressing your opinion about Haiti.
Your opinion is just that.
But it remains a fact that you cannot predict the future.
If you could you would be rich beyond your wildest dreams.
And no one in this thread as taken issue with you over the current condition of Haiti.
"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing." - no one seems to have figured out exactly who said it. But I like the quote.
It is not about general predictions of the future to become rich.
The only future I an predict with accuracy is Haiti's. Why would there be any hope at all?
I recognize there is no rational and available solution to fix Haiti.
What is your hope based upon? Magic? Divine Intervention?
1. I don't have to prove your opinion wrong. It is your opinion. Understood. I simply disagree with it.
2. I do not know who is going to change failure into success. But like the way this poster thinks:
"It would take a Massive Focus on EDUCATION... Schools Built , and Financed .. Massive , and THEN a complete Generation at LEAST to make any significant changes .At least 20- 30 years in TIME are required for starters . A whole new Generation with a completely different "we can do it, and we have the Education to back it up Mindset"
3. Past does not predict the future. A brief review of world history when it comes to governments will show that.
4. Hope never does the job alone. But hope does provide the mental and spiritual energy to stay in the fight.
Why do you think there is any hope?
Why do think this is even in the realm of possibility?
The past failures in Haiti should be enough to discourage any one who can think rationally to try again with respect to Haiti. It isn't so much about predicting the future as it is having common sense not to do something with zero hope of success.
Hope and spirituality. I am not allowed to comment, but carry on. Many have tried an failed who thought they could make a difference.
You can state your opinion on the future of Haiti with accuracy.
You see your opinion is claim that cannot be proven.
Because you cannot predict the future of the markets, Haiti or even the next day of your own life.
What is hope?
"Hope is an optimistic state of mind that is based on an expectation of positive outcomes with respect to events and circumstances in one's life or the world at large."
I am and will remain a hopeful person for many things that might appear hopeless in my life or the world at large.
We just happen to be discussing Haiti at this time.
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