Haiti is the reason the unification with the DR isn’t more advanced?

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All foreigners in the Dominican Republic, regardless of their country of origin, are obligated to adhere to immigration laws and leave the country when their visas expire. It's important to maintain consistent immigration policies for all individuals to ensure a fair and orderly system.

The current situation with Haitian immigrants is concerning. Allowing a large number of people to reside in the country without proper documentation can lead to social unrest and potential security risks. It's essential to address this issue promptly and equitably.

Failure to enforce immigration laws can create a precedent that may lead to increased crime and social instability, similar to the challenges faced by other countries with unresolved immigration issues, aka Ukraine and their breakaway regions with ethnic Russians. Isn't this what happen to DR when we loss 10% of the county to Haiti?
Are you saying that the enforcement in the DR are the same for gringos and Haitians? Come on - I'm sure you know very well that there are thousands of gringos living here on expired tourist visas. They are not subject to being locked up and deported like Haitians with expired visas are.

I expect Windeguy to comment on this as his views on this are well known and repeated endlessly.
 
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Are you saying that the enforcement in the DR are the same for gringos and Haitians? Come on - I'm sure you know very well that there are thousands of gringos living here on expired tourist visas. They are not subject to being locked up and deported like Haitians with expired visas are.

I expect Windeguy to comment on this as his views on this are well known and repeated endlessly.
Chellow already said everything there is to say in his post which cannot be disputed.

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Trust me when I telly ya...
we Americans along with the MONEY we pour into this country ain't the problem. Besides, I have never heard of any American
entering this country illegally or being detained by immigration for being "undocumented" as each and every one of us
are required to present a valid passport to immigration at our chosen point of entry.

And after 30 days on a tourist card anyone from a tourist card country is illegal and should be deported.
I understand the Haitian problem in the DR but when it comes to Americans, I stand by what I said in post #21.
Your stand is not based upon DR law, but simply your opinion that Americans should get special treatment when illegal in the DR after 30 days because they don't cause problems and spend money to support illegals in the USA. Nonsense, that is.
 
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Chellow already said everything there is to say in his post which cannot be disputed.

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You have a "pick and choose" mentality when it comes obeying the law. You are steadfast in supporting immigration laws yet advocate for drug usage and dealing. You are also against pay for play in Sosua on the North Coast which is legal. It is your absolute right to be a flip flopper. Immigration is a complex problem that will not be solved, ever! A child born here from an illegal entry is very difficult to deport.
 
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And after 30 days on a tourist card anyone from a tourist card country is illegal and should be deported.

Your stand is not based upon DR law, but simply your opinion that Americans should get special treatment when illegal in the DR after 30 days because they don't cause problems and spend money to support illegals in the USA. Nonsense, that is.
You damn right, (for those who keep their noses clean) Americans should indeed be getting special treatment.
 

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Does this same philosophy apply to all of the Dominicans who are living in the USA illegally while receiving
millions in tax payer benefits to provide them and their children with free health care, free education, free food,
free cell phones, free transportation, free accommodation vouchers, free air fare to the city of their choice upon arrival
along with the ability to send remittances (tax free) to their family members back home?

Speaking of criminal activity...
Of the thousands of Americans who come to the Dominican Republic, how many of them are currently being housed in detention centers
paid for by Dominican taxpayers?
Of the thousands of Dominicans who come to the United States, how many of them are currently being housed in detention centers
paid for by the American taxpayers?

Trust me when I telly ya...
we Americans along with the MONEY we pour into this country ain't the problem. Besides, I have never heard of any American
entering this country illegally or being detained by immigration for being "undocumented" as each and every one of us
are required to present a valid passport to immigration at our chosen point of entry.

I understand the Haitian problem in the DR but when it comes to Americans, I stand by what I said in post #21.
Actually most Dominicans that are in the states arrived on tourist visas and then either married an American citizen or over stay their visa. Yes, some cross the border illegally but not most.
 
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You damn right, (for those who keep their noses clean) Americans should indeed be getting special treatment.
That is saying two wrongs make a right, and I call nonsense.

Americans should be able get a snowbird visa for 6 months for a small fee that allows them to vacation and drive legally for that time and no more unless they become legal residents. That is why there is "legal residency"..

But we digress on the real topic of Haiti and why that country should not join with the DR...
 
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You have a "pick and choose" mentality when it comes obeying the law. You are steadfast in supporting immigration laws yet advocate for drug usage and dealing. You are also against pay for play in Sosua on the North Coast which is legal. It is your absolute right to be a flip flopper. Immigration is a complex problem that will not be solved, ever! A child born here from an illegal entry is very difficult to deport.
You sure you aren't media. You have a habit of saying said things they didn't.
 

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You have a "pick and choose" mentality when it comes obeying the law. You are steadfast in supporting immigration laws yet advocate for drug usage and dealing.
That is because I am for immigration laws to be enforced and I realize the war Nixon started against drugs has failed miserably. They are apples and oranges and I pick and choose them as I see fit. There is nothing inconsistent in that.
You are also against pay for play in Sosua on the North Coast which is legal.
Prostitution is not illegal. I could care less what consenting adults do when it comes to sex and drugs. The government has other ideas.
You continually assign what the DR government wants to me. You are wrong on that.
It is your absolute right to be a flip flopper. Immigration is a complex problem that will not be solved, ever! A child born here from an illegal entry is very difficult to deport.
Last I checked DR laws a child born in the DR of people legally in the DR can become a DR citizen.
A child born in the DR of illegal parents is an illegal.

I never flip flopped on my positions at all. Unfortunately thousands of posts were accidentally deleted that go back many years on these very points.

They are separate topics and I have always been consistent.
It is you, Big, that deliberately misinterprets my responses.
 
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Does this same philosophy apply to all of the Dominicans who are living in the USA illegally while receiving
millions in tax payer benefits to provide them and their children with free health care, free education, free food,
free cell phones, free transportation, free accommodation vouchers, free air fare to the city of their choice upon arrival
along with the ability to send remittances (tax free) to their family members back home?

Speaking of criminal activity...
Of the thousands of Americans who come to the Dominican Republic, how many of them are currently being housed in detention centers
paid for by Dominican taxpayers?
Of the thousands of Dominicans who come to the United States, how many of them are currently being housed in detention centers
paid for by the American taxpayers?

Trust me when I telly ya...
we Americans along with the MONEY we pour into this country ain't the problem. Besides, I have never heard of any American
entering this country illegally or being detained by immigration for being "undocumented" as each and every one of us
are required to present a valid passport to immigration at our chosen point of entry.

I understand the Haitian problem in the DR but when it comes to Americans, I stand by what I said in post #21.
If you are undocumented and/or overstay a travel visa, you are not receiving any government benefits in the US. If someone comes in applying for refuge status, they are not illegal. I don't think Dominicans are trying to get political asylum. Any benefits for Dominican born people living in the US is based on income and qualify like everyone else. Those locked up are a different story and the numbers are high. Also, let's not forget which county invaded the other county and occupied it twice. What American money is being "poured" in the DR expect for Dominican American remittences and investment.
 
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Isn't the topic:

Haiti is the reason the unification with the DR isn’t more advanced?​

 

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What American money is being "poured" in the DR expect for Dominican American remittences and investment.
Some interesting information I'd like to share with you. It's worth a read when you have a minute.

For Haiti:

For Dominican Republic:

Be sure to select the drop down box at the bottom right hand side of the screen for more rows. (10,50,100)
 

Tom F.

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Some interesting information I'd like to share with you. It's worth a read when you have a minute.

For Haiti:

For Dominican Republic:
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Be sure to select the drop down box at the bottom right hand side of the screen for more rows. (10,50,100)
And only $1.5 million for Peace Corps in the DR for 2022. Did you add the numbers up for DR and Haiti? Very little for poverty reduction and most benefit the 1-2%. I did not go through the entire documents but did you find sugar subsidies included or is this the department of agriculture? That used to be the biggest number.
 
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Last time I looked, all folks seeking visas, needed to get them from a Dominican embassy in their home country. Why should the rules be different for the Haitians?
Well - that was how they renewed their visitor visa monthly - and this was a Dominican requirement.

I'm not sure if it was exclusively for Haitians. Maybe anyone with a 30 day visitor visa ( from anywhere ) could renew at Dajabon.



 
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Are you saying that the enforcement in the DR are the same for gringos and Haitians? Come on - I'm sure you know very well that there are thousands of gringos living here on expired tourist visas. They are not subject to being locked up and deported like Haitians with expired visas are.

I expect Windeguy to comment on this as his views on this are well known and repeated endlessly.
If it wasn’t most Haitians in the DR wouldn’t be there, at least not as illegals. It’s beyond a fact that most Haitians that enter the DR as illegal immigrants not only never leave, but no one kicks them out either and that’s despite the deportations (many times of the same people as their returning to the DR almost as soon they are deported.) They enter and most continue to live in the DR until they die. 99% of illegal immigrants in the DR are Haitians. Not even the US has such a large percentage of its illegals are from one country.

It’s comical how many expats on DR1 pretend they amount to anything in the DR compared to the illegal immigrants from Haiti. In fact, it’s in the homes of many expats that the gardener, the driver, the maids, etc often are Haitians. Care to mention one Haitian household where at leasr a made is an expat?
 
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Well Bob, I would respond. However, I cannot decipher this post.
You have a "pick and choose" mentality when it comes obeying the law. You are steadfast in supporting immigration laws yet advocate for drug usage and dealing. You are also against pay for play in Sosua on the North Coast which is legal. It is your absolute right to be a flip flopper. Immigration is a complex problem that will not be solved, ever! A child born here from an illegal entry is very difficult to deport.

On no post has Windy supported the selling of illegal drugs.