Haiti News and Politics

[franco1111]

I see now that the president has recently addressed the situation in comments reported today by Listin Diariod.

[Google translation from Spanish]

Abinader insists Haiti crisis threatens national security

Speech at the OAS. The Dominican president warned that the Haitian crisis is a low-intensity civil war, and urged the OAS to collaborate for the recovery of that country.

Excerpt from article:

Although he vaguely touched on issues such as the enactment of the Asset Forfeiture Law, economic growth, and handling of the pandemic, the main point of the president's speech before the Permanent Council of the Organization of American States (OAS) was the sociopolitical crisis. affecting Haiti.

In the midst of his words, the president stated that this crisis directly affects the security of the Dominican Republic.

“For the Dominican Republic, it is a matter of national security. I want to repeat it so that it is recorded in the memory of this solemn session in the Hall of the Americas: the crisis that overflows the borders of Haiti is a threat to the national security of the Dominican Republic,” said the president so that his message is accentuate.

Abinader insiste crisis Haití amenaza seguridad nacional

Aunque vagamente toco temas como la promulgacion de la Ley de Extincion de Dominio, el crecimiento economico y el manejo de la pandemia, el punto principal

listindiario.com

 

[JD Jones]

"Let me be clear"

 

[NanSanPedro]

Everyone I talk to in okap is scared and can't see a way out. I'm not even sure right now if you send $ it can be received.

 

[franco1111]

Military intervention? Well, this is getting interesting. (The remarks by el presidente re: national security also got my attention. Pretty direct, you don't even need to read between the lines.). The author of this Listin Diario article published today, is a well known DR economist and businessman and was the DR ambassdor to the UK a few years ago.

Listin Diario. [Google translation from Spanish.]

Intervention and Marshall Plan for Haiti
Hugo Guiliani Cury
Santo Domingo, RD

To keep Haitians in their territory, we Dominicans have to help them make their country progress.

These brief notes are based on an extensive report I did for the reconstruction of Haiti in 2006.

The solutions sought for Haiti must be different from the conventional ones. What is appropriate is a military intervention to restore order and simultaneously intervene in the economy. Wanting to impose the Western democracy system in a country not prepared for it has been a failure. They have used it on several occasions and the result has been getting worse and worse. Also the approach given to the military interventions that have been carried out so far have not been effective. However, we must abandon euphemisms and hypocrisies and be aware that it is necessary to get that nation out of misery and chaos, it must be with international help.

Intervención y Plan Marshall para Haití

Para mantener a los haitianos en su territorio, tenemos los dominicanos que ayudarles a que su pais progrese. Estas breves notas estan basadas en un amp

listindiario.com

 

[mountainannie]

There is an organized Haitian cilvil society organization -
I doubt that ANY foreign intervention would be welcomed.

It was foreign intervention that GAVE Haiti the current government - from Martelly to Moise to Henry...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1570948007910318085

 

[mountainannie]

The current government was APPOINTED
by the CORE group - (Canada, US, France) https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/...to-canada-u-s-stop-meddling-in-our-government

..."But it was the casual shuffling out of Joseph and his replacement by Ariel Henry two weeks later — anticipated in a two-paragraph statement (new window) from a group of ambassadors — that revealed Haiti's subjugation to foreign dictates."...

 

[mountainannie]

Military intervention? Well, this is getting interesting. (The remarks by el presidente re: national security also got my attention. Pretty direct, you don't even need to read between the lines.). The author of this Listin Diario article published today, is a well known DR economist and businessman and was the DR ambassdor to the UK a few years ago.

Listin Diario. [Google translation from Spanish.]

Intervention and Marshall Plan for Haiti
Hugo Guiliani Cury
Santo Domingo, RD

To keep Haitians in their territory, we Dominicans have to help them make their country progress.

These brief notes are based on an extensive report I did for the reconstruction of Haiti in 2006.

The solutions sought for Haiti must be different from the conventional ones. What is appropriate is a military intervention to restore order and simultaneously intervene in the economy. Wanting to impose the Western democracy system in a country not prepared for it has been a failure. They have used it on several occasions and the result has been getting worse and worse. Also the approach given to the military interventions that have been carried out so far have not been effective. However, we must abandon euphemisms and hypocrisies and be aware that it is necessary to get that nation out of misery and chaos, it must be with international help.

Intervención y Plan Marshall para Haití

Para mantener a los haitianos en su territorio, tenemos los dominicanos que ayudarles a que su pais progrese. Estas breves notas estan basadas en un amp

listindiario.com

Do you honestly think that Dominicans are ready to spill blood and treasure to wade into what is essentially a civil war in Haiti?
I certainly don't.

 

[mountainannie]

Since all of the major players in the world have been criticized for their attempt to fix the situation in Haiti over the last 100 years, who is going to step up to the plate at this time?

It is a question of the CORE group shifting its support AWAY from Henry
and ON TO the Civil Society organizations... the idea that this dude could organize and hold elections? When he is ruling by decree?

..."Until that point, Joseph appeared to have the upper hand in the power struggle within Moise's Parti Haitien Tet Kale (PHTk) or Bald-headed party. On July 17, the Core Group statement strongly encouraged Henry to form a government. Joseph threw in the towel 48 hours later.

The American, Canadian and French ambassadors form the top table of the Core Group, with representatives of the UN, EU, Brazil, Germany, Spain and the Organization of American States (OAS) in support..."
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/...to-canada-u-s-stop-meddling-in-our-government

 

[NanSanPedro]

It is a question of the CORE group shifting its support AWAY from Henry
and ON TO the Civil Society organizations... the idea that this dude could organize and hold elections? When he is ruling by decree?

..."Until that point, Joseph appeared to have the upper hand in the power struggle within Moise's Parti Haitien Tet Kale (PHTk) or Bald-headed party. On July 17, the Core Group statement strongly encouraged Henry to form a government. Joseph threw in the towel 48 hours later.

The American, Canadian and French ambassadors form the top table of the Core Group, with representatives of the UN, EU, Brazil, Germany, Spain and the Organization of American States (OAS) in support..."
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/...to-canada-u-s-stop-meddling-in-our-government

He can if he is told to. Being turned over to a mob is quite useful for motivating behaviour.

 

[RDKNIGHT]

let them kill each other no more inventions risking soldiers lives ... they will figure it out in time

 

[CristoRey]

let them kill each other no more inventions risking soldiers lives ... they will figure it out in time

According to an article i just read in Dominican Today
"The former prime minister of Haiti, Claude Joseph, affirmed this Friday that Dominican President Luis Abinader Corona understands nothing of the social and political crisis the neighboring country is experiencing and is only taking advantage of the lack of leadership to continue with his plan."

I disagree with Mr. Joseph.
Luis knows exactly what he is talking about.
Haitians are just going to have to learn how to
deal with their problems like civilized human
beings instead of slaughtering one another in
the streets like animals. Until they are able to do
so, they will continue suffering regardless of how
anyone feels about it.

 

[DR Solar]

https://share.smartnews.com/9m5A3

 

[franco1111]

Do you honestly think that Dominicans are ready to spill blood and treasure to wade into what is essentially a civil war in Haiti?
I certainly don't.

That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

 

[drstock]

Here's a chilling article about what's going on in Port au Prince: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/18/haiti-violence-gang-rule-port-au-prince

 

[mountainannie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1574177263540531200

 

[mountainannie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1574372176853016577

 

[mountainannie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1571599205709524992

 

[mountainannie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1574363846554238976

 

[mountainannie]

https://www.pagina12.com.ar/483553-haiti-en-la-puerta-de-una-nueva-ocupacion

In Spanish
From an Argentine - dateline Sept 22 PauP
He is followed by 16 people that I follow on #Haiti on Twitter
So
He is well respected
and
On The Ground

 

[mountainannie]

From the above article
Google Translated - (I agree with this analysis)
..."But it was the "violent pacification" of the country attempted by the MINUSTAH, which contributed to the current scenario. This, due to several factors: to the process of substitution of the state capacities operated by the "unending occupation"; the weakening of the Haitian civil society thanks to the indiscriminate action of more than 12 thousand non-governmental organizations that compete, demobilize and capture local human resources, especially since the post-earthquake of 2010; by the neoliberal economic policies that since the decade of the 80s have destroyed the last traces of the country's industrial, agroindustrial and agricultural capacity, generating phenomena such as rural exodus and urban overcrowding, dispelling poverty and unemployment; y sobre todo by the process of selective repression in some of the popular neighborhoods of the metropolitan area of Puerto Príncipe, which generated the terrifying void that criminal groups and paramilitaries are now coming to fill."...
plus --- well -- the reparations
CitiBank
the overthrow of Aristide - who was - indeed running a. narco state
BUT THEN
the introduction of Clinton's neoliberal agenda - drop the Haitian protective tariffs - flood the country with US rice -- think that Haiti did not need its own agriculture and could "skip" over to the
"industrial" age (read "sweatshop"-- as in Honduras or Groupon on the border)

Clinton has said it was his biggest life regret....
But somehow
Somehow
The Gringo simply Does Not Get it yet

Being Too Very Afraid... of ...
What? Exactly??????