Haitians at USA/Mexico border

aarhus

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If you have been to Dajabon lately? looks like about 70% or more Haitian...no need for spanish there............
Its a step up for them compared to Haiti. The ones stranded in Cuba trying to get to the US probably found it a step up to. At least it’s a bit organized in Cuba.
 
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NanSanPedro

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Its a step up for them compared to Haiti. The ones stranded in Cuba trying to get to the US probably found it a step up to. At least it’s a bit organized in Cuba.

Cuba has a very good rep for helping Haiti in the med field. I've seen many Cuban docs and nurses working in less than good medical environments. I despise Castro and communism, but he did help them out.
 
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aarhus

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Cuba has a very good rep for helping Haiti in the med field. I've seen many Cuban docs and nurses working in less than good medical environments. I despise Castro and communism, but he did help them out.
Going a bit off topic here but Cuba often use that in their propaganda but I think the reality is that it’s halfway a business as international humanitarian organizations pay the Cuban government to send their doctors different places. But of course they have become known for it and are specialists in going to places where there is no health care.
 
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Going a bit off topic here but Cuba often use that in their propaganda but I think the reality is that it’s halfway a business as international humanitarian organizations pay the Cuban government to send their doctors different places. But of course they have become known for it and are specialists in going to places where there is no health care.
"propaganda" at its finest
 
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JD Jones

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This entire Haiti predicament gets more depressing by the minute.
 
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Its a step up for them compared to Haiti. The ones stranded in Cuba trying to get to the US probably found it a step up to. At least it’s a bit organized in Cuba.
Overall, the same can be said of any country in the Americas when you are the poorest, most disorganized, and most unlucky of countries. For example, several countries on the Central American isthmus are poorer than the DR but richer than Haiti (actually, I think all countries except Panama and maybe Costa Rica are poorer thsn the DR, but all are richer thsn Haiti.) A Haitian can go to any of them and it will not be long they notice is in a better position than Haiti.

It's also relevant for Haitians if the slums in other countries are better, often not by much than those in Haiti. Many Haitians will end up moving to those places at first, because few of them would be able to move directly even to areas with a majority population of lower middle class and up, which are the sectors that have the greatest increases of living standards compared to Haiti.

This graph, now old (data from 2005-ish and 2007-ish) is of the percentage of the population that at then lived in slums. Notice where Haiti was relative to all other countries.

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Basically, Haiti was a country where most of the urban population lived in slums and now that percentage has probably gone up. With the exceptuon of places like Venezuela and at various rates, I think it has gone down in most countries shown there. Others probably are about the same.

This doesn't take into account the standard of living in the slums, because not all slums are created equal. Some get better service than others and this too is different from country to country. The quality of other things such as public health care is also not accounted for.
 
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Countries are fed up. They're sick and tired of illegal immigrants.
As reported in the news today...most of the Haitians that travelled to texas or Mexico have been returned to Haiti.. and that seems to be the last place they want..the next surge will find better equipted immigration in Texas........
 

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The dis- United States of America can not continue allowing illegal immigrants from Haiti or ”wherever”…
Neither can the Republica Dominicana accept the flood of Haitians crossing the border and burdening the medical, educational and physical resources that are already strained and scarce.
Haitians need to rebuild their own country and figure out HOW…
 

NanSanPedro

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The dis- United States of America can not continue allowing illegal immigrants from Haiti or ”wherever”…
Neither can the Republica Dominicana accept the flood of Haitians crossing the border and burdening the medical, educational and physical resources that are already strained and scarce.
Haitians need to rebuild their own country and figure out HOW…

They've had > 200 years to do just that. What makes you think they are able to figure it out now?
 

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The dis- United States of America can not continue allowing illegal immigrants from Haiti or ”wherever”…
Neither can the Republica Dominicana accept the flood of Haitians crossing the border and burdening the medical, educational and physical resources that are already strained and scarce.
Haitians need to rebuild their own country and figure out HOW…
Haiti is a failed state with no chance to recover. They will not be figuring out how to rebuild. There is no chance of that.
 
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USA Doc,
Of the 15,000 Haitians at the Del Rio border station, 12,000 were released into the USA!

After the WH denied there was even a crisis at the border.................

The new official word from the WH, accompanied by a photo op and press release, was that they were sent back to Haiti.

Which of course is pure fiction as to the majority;



And another new wave is now forming in Mexico/Central America.

"Lets Go Brandon."


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
 
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