Help/information needed dog poisoning !!!!!!

[santa110xyz]

For many years i when one of my dog was so sick as described i usually thought "well he or she ate some garbage";
but sadly in 90% of the cases it was poisoning. It doesn't mean that someone by intention poisoned your dog, it also can
be that they chased a rat who was dying of poisoning. For that reason i changed to rat traps...and the poison only hidden
in the finca where they can not get it. Also the poison i have with a wire fixed that rats or jorones can not carry it away.
Due to animal food (cows/chicken etc.) i need to control this pest.

But poisoning you see easily in their eyes and gums. Maybe you can find on youtube a film how the gums and eyes look after
poisoning. It is difficult to explain.

And just mentioning the Murphy's law.... since i keep 3 vials of Atropine in the fridge no dog was poisoned since
Also the Vitamin B12 vials and Vitamin K....

Parvo ... that is a very nasty virus. I had it once here at my house, about 15 years ago.... A friend moved house and asked if i could take
his puppy for a week until his house change is finished, ...well that week turned into hell!
Between Parvo and poisoning symptoms there is a huge difference.
i was lucky my dogs did not get it because they were vaccinated... and were in different buildings too.

Wish you good luck!

BTW an other question, the other day i was driving Pedro Clisante street up toward Colibri...on the left hand side
there is a new pet store and Vet. Does anybody know which Vet?
My Vet in POP died this year and i would need a new one....

 

[william webster]

correct JD... poisoning is fast.... the dog prolly ate some garbage...
wil - hopefully - bounce back in a fwew days....

mine did

 

[malko]

I dont know. As cited previously, the following day our other dogs brought our attention to a piece of dried/salted uncooked pork meat in the conuco. Seemed to have been chewed and spat out.

Symptoms are lethargy, doesnt eat or drink. Has been lying down in diffrent/unusal places ( each dog likes sleeping in his own house, and lazing around each has its preferred place or 2 ).
Lots of vomitting ( now only bile since nothing to,eat ), this morning I found a huge puddle of liquid blood vomit.
Raspy breathing.
Also he goes down to the pool and dips his feet and nose in it and just lies there. ( he always liked the pool and would jump in twice a day :nervous: ).
And he seems so weak ( figures since this will be the third day he hasnt eaten ).

What else could it be ?? Any ideas.
The 3 other dogs are normal ( well as normal as they usally are, which isnt saying much......).

Last thing, Simba ( the ill one ) and rex ( the rottie ) are like brothers. They do everything togother ( except jumping in the pool :devious.
If one is locked up in his house ( ie for fighting or chewing stuff up ), the other one sits in front of the bars and they lock each other.
Well rex is not going near simba simce the beginning of this episode.
No idea of the meaning.

 

[HUG]

Your dog would be lying, panting and not doing much if he was poisoned. If he survived thd poisoning on his own then he will be very unwell for a few days.
I do not think DR1 is the place to be asking for advice, no one knows what is wrong for sure and listening to part time DR1 vets is as likely to do as much damage as good.
In campo you will easily track down the home of a vet, if you really want to.

If it is poisoning and he has survived till now on his own then he's a good chance of making it.

If it's parvo, then it's a really long nursing recovery, and still only 50/50 of making it.

Hope he pulls through, but go to a vets, that shouldn't be an issue.

 

[malko]

correct JD... poisoning is fast.... the dog prolly ate some garbage...
wil - hopefully - bounce back in a fwew days....

mine did

The dogs are not allowed out on their own.
They have free run of house grounds and conuco. No garbage or unusal stuff lying around.

Also simba, the dog in question, has always gobbeled up everything. He loves eating. He eats insects, hen feathers, wood, stones, a plastic soldier ( once...), flowers......... I always thought he had tungsten lined stomach.
I had also thought of mushrooms, searched, only came up with the usal kind that grow on the pine wood fences ( and the dogs are not usally intreated by them ).

 

[malko]

Your dog would be lying, panting and not doing much if he was poisoned. If he survived thd poisoning on his own then he will be very unwell for a few days.
I do not think DR1 is the place to be asking for advice, no one knows what is wrong for sure and listening to part time DR1 vets is as likely to do as much damage as good.
In campo you will easily track down the home of a vet, if you really want to.

If it is poisoning and he has survived till now on his own then he's a good chance of making it.

If it's parvo, then it's a really long nursing recovery, and still only 50/50 of making it.

Hope he pulls through, but go to a vets, that shouldn't be an issue.

Well the problem IS tracking down a vet that knows dogs. Mostly tend cattle here in my campo. Even harder is finding a willing one, as the 2 I know of are scared of full sized dogs........Especially on 24/25 of december.
Nearest to a vet is the veterinan " shops" which sell food, medcine....... mostly for pigs, roosters, cows......
I might have to take him to a proper vet in POP, but does the stress of the long trip outweigh the benefits ???
I am giving him another day or 2 to see if his condition improves.......

 

[HUG]

Have you asked in the colmado, they know everyone and where they live?

Really shouldn't be difficult if you are serious enough.

 

[Matilda]

If you had him vaccinated then parvo virus would be one of the vaccines. Parvo virus has an appalling smelly diarrhea with blood in it. I had a puppy with it and for 7 days she wouldnt move or eat. Gave her antibiotics from the agrovet and injected her under the skin with saline solution to keep her hydrated which is the most important thing to do as I can't put a drip in. Go to pharmacy and get a saline drip and syringe and inject dog subcutaneously. You will see a ball of water under the skin and that will gradually be absorbed. A day after I started doing that she was fine.

By the way Simba's brother and sister were given an edible green dog bone from Canada. A day later, very very sick. Vomit, diarrhea, listless and refused to eat for like 5 days. They were given antibiotics and recovered. Dogs go from almost dead to back to normal in a matter of minutes. The yoghurt is a good idea and some vets recommended minced beef as well. The most important thing is to rehydrate. It really doesn;t sound like deliberate poisoning, more like food poisoning. Fingers crossed he makes it - just start injecting the saline and the agrovet will have some antibiotics too. Be warned most have no idea at all about dosage so check the dosage online before you give to him.

Good luck

Matilda

 

[malko]

HUG, I do know the vets. One used to vaccinate my dog ( back when I only had one ).
The problem is this is deep campo. Nobody takes a dog to the vet. The vet tends to cattle, pigs, fighting roosters. Repairs broken limbs, helps give birth, injections....... that sort of stuff. Also the vets do not have an "officina", home call only. They buy the stuff they need from what we call here la "veterineria", supply shop for animals.
So no analysis, or putting him on a drip or anything else one could expect back in europe ( or in SD, santiago or POP, I presume ).
These shops often tend to be more knowlegebale than the vets.
I am in very good terms with the owner of one in a nearby village. Little old lady who has come back from the US to open a shop. All I got was campo remedys ( which I have already applied, ie milk, eggs, oil......), a hug and a coffee ( which is all very nice ).

I tried 2 other of these shops ( one in each diffrent village ), 1 had the local vet in attendance. All very sorry, but it is only a dog. What can I answer to that ??

Oh and about the vet who used to come to my place to inject the dog. He now prefers not to. He and his assistant are scared of my dogs, even when behind bars. It was torture for the dogs, I had to tie them up and r3strain them. Easier and less stressful to do it myself. I happened to visit the vet at his home once ( to taste a homemade dulce de leche made by his wife ) and youcluldnt believe the state of his 3 dogs !!!! Flea bitten, tied up.......so that was the end of that.

 

[malko]

If you had him vaccinated then parvo virus would be one of the vaccines. Parvo virus has an appalling smelly diarrhea with blood in it. I had a puppy with it and for 7 days she wouldnt move or eat. Gave her antibiotics from the agrovet and injected her under the skin with saline solution to keep her hydrated which is the most important thing to do as I can't put a drip in. Go to pharmacy and get a saline drip and syringe and inject dog subcutaneously. You will see a ball of water under the skin and that will gradually be absorbed. A day after I started doing that she was fine.

By the way Simba's brother and sister were given an edible green dog bone from Canada. A day later, very very sick. Vomit, diarrhea, listless and refused to eat for like 5 days. They were given antibiotics and recovered. Dogs go from almost dead to back to normal in a matter of minutes. The yoghurt is a good idea and some vets recommended minced beef as well. The most important thing is to rehydrate. It really doesn;t sound like deliberate poisoning, more like food poisoning. Fingers crossed he makes it - just start injecting the saline and the agrovet will have some antibiotics too. Be warned most have no idea at all about dosage so check the dosage online before you give to him.

Good luck

Matilda

Thanks Matilda.

I will try the hydrating saline injection.
Simba has been vaccinated against rabies and also the other combo one that is done twice a year ( shamefuly I cant remember exactly what ).
He has had the same shots as the other 3, who do not have any symptoms, so I hope that rules out parvovirus.

Its just so heartbreaking to see him so sad, especially since he is normally full of life and joy.
Fingers crossed. Thanks.

 

[Matilda]

I would just confirm what Malko says that those of us who live in the campo do not have access to regular vets. You simply have to do it all yourself buying the stuff you need from the agroveterinarian. Those who say they are vets and will deal with dogs are charlatans. One we had would take an animal for an operation and say it had died - while they sold it. Appalling. Google is your friend usually but you need to learn how to check doses and how to give injections. There is a big need for an on line vet to be available in the DR for advice for those of us who have no access to them, but who love our animals.

Matilda

 

[malko]

Update.

Long evening. Simba sat in the pool for 2 hours. Got out and went to lie down under some bushes in the "border" gardens. We sat with him under the rain, the thought was we didnt want him to be alone, like u never know.......
Around midnight he got up and went to drink some water. We were happy he was up and moving. But then he was sick immediatly after......
Carried him to the outside kitchen, lay down some blankets and we all went to sleep on the floor. Well not really sleep. I dozed on and off, checking on him all the time. In the morning Simba had taken over the "bed" , covers and pillows, was awake and staring at us. He looked better.
Brewed some coffee, opened the door. He ran down to the pool area and explosed vomited blood all over....... this was like 7.00 am.......
Called a number for a vet in the neares town, explained, he said bring him in quickly.
Put him the car, 40 mn drive, got to vet ( well agrovet shop thingy as it turned out, where a vet worked......)

Vet felt him for obstructions in stomach/intestines. Said more likely poison. Injected him twice with vitamins ( same as we were doing, it is called 6 vitamins green/ yellow packaging ). And once in a vein in the leg with antibiotics ( shaved the fur, desinfect and directly into bloodstream. I am not sure enough withmyself for those injections ).
The vet kept asking if he was agressive while telling me to hold him tighter....... I kept saying that when normal Simba would lick u to death before biting, and since right now he cant even stand up, I dont think u are at risk.........
Anyway the vet said we had done good by injecting adropine and vitamins ( thanks dr1 ) and also the earth/water mix, the egg white, the milk, etc ( thanks again dr1 ).
He gave us a prescription for special powdered milk and pedriatic electrolit. At the farmacy they asked what age and weight. 1 year old as heavy as ciment bag. They gave me funny looks. I said he is a dog and I got more funmy looks.
Vet also told us to lock him up on his own and force feed him chicken livers boiled with salt.

So back home, very tied after 3 nights without sleep.
Trying to clean a white, 9 place angle sofa, drenched in dog vomit and blood........
Reflecting on the fact.
"lucky" ( for loss of another word ), it was Simba the easy going one. If it was either of the other 2 big ones......... no vet would go near him. And I probably couldnt carry them alone.

 

[AlterEgo]

Glad to hear Simba is hanging in there, hopefully with these latest treatments it will be the beginning of a healing process. Mr. AE and I have been following your posts, anyone with dogs [especially in DR] feels for what you are going through.

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

Simba hanging on this long is a positive sign. Try to keep the dog hydrated and continued good luck.

 

[charlise]

You have a "fighter" in Simba. With just a little bit of help from "above", he will pull through... Even dogs have Guardian Angels...

 

[Matilda]

His mum and dad and brother and sister, Meg, Lobo, Panda and Pandora are all praying for him.

Matilda

 

[artistdani]

We are all rooting for you Simba! Hang in there! Get better, pleazzze!
It is so heartbreaking to see an animal suffer.
Bonne chance!

 

[malko]

It is with the deepest regret and a very heavy heart that I announce that Simba passed away today the 27th of december 2014, just before 1400 dr time.

Simba may you Rest In Peace.
You were a great companion and a great friend.
Simba, you will be forever in our hearts.
We will never forget the wonderful moments shared togother.
We hope to meet you again in another life.
Simba, we love you, always and forever.

A & D

 

[AlterEgo]

Oh malko, I am SO sorry and so sad to read this.

Our condolences.

 

[bronzeallspice]

Malko, sorry to hear the sad news. May the memories of your beloved companion be of comfort to you during this painful moment.