How do US Citizens living in the DR feel about Health Care Reform in the US

[belgiank]

They are working better than the U.S based on the World Health Organization's Ranking.

19 UK

30 Canada

37 U.S.A

Meaning their experiments is working better than the U.S.

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

this just shows how statistics can say anything you want them to say... I have worked in the Netherlands, and in Belgium of course, and I can tell you the healthcare system in Belgium is much better than in the Netherlands... depending on what you expect from a health system...

personally I cherish the freedom to have a choice of physician, to have access to immediate treatment if needed, and to get a necessary operation in a reasonable time...

an example... I had an employee in the Netherlands who had a heavy box falling on his shoulder in the warehouse... result a dislocated shoulder with a piece of the collarblade broken of, causing the shoulder to dislocate every time he put some strength onto it... he got the necessary operation 8 months after the accident, putting him 8 months into welfare... In Belgium he would have had the operation the same week, been on welfare for a month or so, and then could have restarted work...
I don't know... but somehow I prefer the Belgian system, where you will pay a little more (in the case of the employee the employer or his insurance would have paid anyway), but have a much shorter disability problem and pain problem...

I also realise the US system is a whole different matter... but I also know it is not on the right track...

 

[Ezequiel]

I'm still in the US for now and I would like to maintain control of how I deal with my parents lives when it comes to the end. I don't need a govt official telling me that my mother should or should not be given a medication or a procedure to extend her life because to him its not a fiscally sound move. Tell me one good thing that the govt does well or within budget? If this bill were passed unemployment would go thru the roof.

If they're using Medicare the government should decide if it wants to extend somebody life for an extra month or not.

My opinion if somebody is going to die anyway the government should NOT waste tax payer money extending somebody life an extra month if the person is going to die anyway, if you don't like it you should buy them private insurance IF the private insurance take them, which i doubt it.

 

[Thandie]

The US health care system though not perfect is still the best in the world. Most Americans can see a specialist in a day or 2, How long does it take in Canada or England? Why do most Canadians with some $$$ choose to travel over the border to get treated??

If the US health care system is the best in the world, and much better than Canada and England.
....why do Canadians and the Brits way out live Americans?
The facts dont lie!

Life Expectancy by country...

8. Canada

36. United Kingdon

50. USA

USA is not even in the top 10. How could it be classified the best in the world?

BTW I live in Canada and I have excellent health care! Never had a problem with getting proper care in adequate time!

 

[Trig]

The problem is, when you dictate cost to doctors, you get the guys who just made it through the exams, instead of the top of the class. Just like attorney's, and that's what I know after sitting in court rooms for 15 years! The American system calls them public defender's, successfull people call them "just barely's" (they just barely passed the exam)!

I wish the American people would realize that the goverment is a business, from top to bottom! Since I'm self employeed, I understand this. I have a budget. If I go over this budget, I don't get to just print more money, I FAIL!!!

Again, I'm not saying "no" to national healthcare, I'm saying NO to no choice!

 

[Thandie]

Goto Canada and see how long it will take.

I have seen specialists in 2-3 weeks and sometimes in less time and I live in the largest city in the country.

 

[Ezequiel]

The problem is, when you dictate cost to doctors, you get the guys who just made it through the exams, instead of the top of the class. Just like attorney's, and that's what I know after sitting in court rooms for 15 years! The American system calls them public defender's, successfull people call them "just barely's" (they just barely passed the exam)!

I wish the American people would realize that the goverment is a business, from top to bottom! Since I'm self employeed, I understand this. I have a budget. If I go over this budget, I don't get to just print more money, I FAIL!!!

Again, I'm not saying "no" to national healthcare, I'm saying NO to no choice!

You should listen to the news, NOT Fox news though, the government doesn't want to take your choices away, it just want to give you ONE more choice, and that choice is a government plan to compete directly with the private insurance company.

If your perfect private insurance company DROP you because you have a pre-existent condition or because you became too ill, you can buy into the government plan without discrimination, you won't have to file for bankruptcy either.

 

[Thandie]

Tell me one good thing that the govt does well

are the fire departments well run?

 

[Trig]

If they're using Medicare the government should decide if it wants to extend somebody life for an extra month or not.

My opinion if somebody is going to die anyway the government should NOT waste tax payer money extending somebody life an extra month if the person is going to die anyway, if you don't like it you should buy them private insurance IF the private insurance take them, which i doubt it.

Really, Really.....Unf@!%king believable!!!! That's the whole point!!!! Socialist Obama is not going to give us the choice of private insurance without a huge penalty!!!!! Damn, are you reading the arguements here??

For your arguement, we should just shoot the people who are on social security disability (they're never going to contriubte to society, only weigh us down) which I agree btw. If you can't work and have this huge disability like ADD, or bipolar, or anger management problems (which those that work call a bad f#%&king day), then you shouldn't be able to buy alcohol, or reproduce, or get a say in how normal people think. If you get found guilty of a crime that involved spending the money that I helped pay for.....then that $ should end, period!!!!!

 

[Trig]

are the fire departments well run?

no!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ezequiel]

Really, Really.....Unf@!%king believable!!!! That's the whole point!!!! Socialist Obama is not going to give us the choice of private insurance without a huge penalty!!!!! Damn, are you reading the arguements here??

For your arguement, we should just shoot the people who are on social security disability (they're never going to contriubte to society, only weigh us down) which I agree btw. If you can't work and have this huge disability like ADD, or bipolar, or anger management problems (which those that work call a bad f#%&king day), then you shouldn't be able to buy alcohol, or reproduce if you get found guilty of a crime that involved spending the money that I helped pay for.....then that $ should end, period!!!!!

I heard you say Anger Management problems!!! are you should that's not you?

 

[Thandie]

If you can't work and have this huge disability like ADD, or bipolar, or anger management problems (which those that work call a bad f#%&king day)

you obviously are not a doctor if you are comparing what we call a bad day to someone who has a mental illness such as bipolar disorder.

 

[Thandie]

no!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really? What is your personal experience with the fire department? Explain and give some examples how it is not run well. I am curious.

 

[cobraboy]

If they're using Medicare the government should decide if it wants to extend somebody life for an extra month or not.

My opinion if somebody is going to die anyway the government should NOT waste tax payer money extending somebody life an extra month if the person is going to die anyway, if you don't like it you should buy them private insurance IF the private insurance take them, which i doubt it.

We're very different.

You are willing to give gubmint control of literally YOUR LIFE.

I'm not.

I don't trust gubmint with my $$$. Why should I trust them with my life?

BTW-no one "uses" Medicare. It's NOT welfare or food stamps. People and employers pay a hefty % of their salaries for many, many years in order to have it when they retire. It is hardly free*.

























*actually, it's a Ponzi Scheme, but that is another conversation entirely...

 

[cobraboy]

you obviously are not a doctor if you are comparing what we call a bad day to someone who has a mental illness such as bipolar disorder.

Well, Obama must be a doctor then. In his infomercial last week he said he could tell the difference whether a tonsilectomy was because of allergies to be treated medically or needed to be removed.

There is a difference between us playing "doctor" as precocious kids, and the gubmint playing "doctor" with adults.

 

[AnnaC]

To all posters: I hope that this thread will focus on the impact of such a plan on expatriates and not on the pros and cons of the plan in itself, for reasons that should be obvious.

A reminder of what Chiri posted this morning. Don't ruin this!

 

[AnnaC]

anyone see my post yet? cool down

 

[Trig]

Since i'm not an expat yet, I guess I won't ruin this post.

 

[cobraboy]

If the point of socializing healthcare in the US is to curb costs, I seriously doubt care will be paid for outside the US unless there are extenuating circumstances. Isn't that the current Medicare policy.

I'd be all for some sort of socialized program IF the gubmint geniuses PROVE they can lower costs while increasing access and quality...by doing that with the current Medicare/Medicaid programs*.

Prove it first.

























*I feel greatly confident that will happen about the same time the DR embraces a non-political civil service system, and clientelism and nepotism is eliminated from DR gubmint offices.

 

[badpiece33]

If they're using Medicare the government should decide if it wants to extend somebody life for an extra month or not.

My opinion if somebody is going to die anyway the government should NOT waste tax payer money extending somebody life an extra month if the person is going to die anyway, if you don't like it you should buy them private insurance IF the private insurance take them, which i doubt it.

Your 100% right and if i have private insurance why should I have to lower my level of living so illegals can get coverage on my dime and some Govt Beurocrat will decide my familes fate??? I think not. I choose to spend my money to make sure my family lives the longest and in best possible way possible as I hope all of you would want for your families.

 

[badpiece33]

My opinion if somebody is going to die anyway the government should NOT waste tax payer money extending somebody life an extra month if the person is going to die anyway, if you don't like it you should buy them private insurance IF the private insurance take them, which i doubt it.

I really feel for your family!!!