How to stop the femicides?

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25 November is the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women. It celebrates the life of the Mirabal sisters who bravely resisted dictator Trujillo. The day was established by the United Nations in 1981 to raise awareness against gender-based violence.

There is much more that has to happen to put a stop to the social scourge. Local media highlight the recent femicides that bring to light that local policies and actions to combat violence against women are not working.

The media reports on several recent tragic cases of which a cuadruple murder over the weekend stands out. It is the case of 25-years old Leyda Vicente Sánchez was murdered by her spouse Rubén Darío Jiménez Pérez who is on the run. In this case, Jiménez also killed Vicente’s 52-year old mother, her brother-in-law, and her father.

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I recently read an article about how machismo and the spectrum of related effects is being addressed in Colombia. Building women’s shelters seems to be one foundation of the plan.
Perhaps the DR has looked to other countries for ideas.
 
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Harsh punishment and education for both women and men.
Drama.
Its part of their culture.
Some men deal with it better
than others. Novelas aint helping
either. Unfortunately many of
these "men" grow up without a
real man in their lives so they've
never learned how to behave like
a man and some of these women
are being raised by mothers who
encourage promiscuity.
 

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Give women better access to education and decent jobs. If they can leave these dumb@sses and not starve to death, a bunch of women will do so and in time, the dumb@sses will learn to up their game and stop beating the crap out of their ladyfriends. Heavy prison sentences would also help. With this particular problem, the stick rather than the carrot.
Edited to add: it would also help if parents stopped beating the bejeezus out of their kids - it creates aggressive, violent adults.
 

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Give women better access to education and decent jobs. If they can leave these dumb@sses and not starve to death, a bunch of women will do so and in time, the dumb@sses will learn to up their game and stop beating the crap out of their ladyfriends. Heavy prison sentences would also help. With this particular problem, the stick rather than the carrot.
Edited to add: it would also help if parents stopped beating the bejeezus out of their kids - it creates aggressive, violent adults.
I agree, but that's not enough.

The majority of these femicides are happening because a woman either broke up with her spouse or her spouse left her then wanted to come back much later (in many cases years later) after she had moved on and he found it difficult to find another who would accept him for what he was.

They are like spoiled little boys in a grown man's body who throws a tantrum because he can't have his way.

The ones who don't kill themselves almost always say "The devil was in them" as their excuse.
 

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When I was a kid in the last millenium, we were raised never to hit a girl or a woman. A man who was known as a wife beater was viewed as lower than whale shit. It just wasn't my family either, it was our entire community, from church to school to wherever. My parents had a great marriage so there was rarely anger present. My uncle and aunt had a shitty marriage but he would never have touched her in anger. It's just something everyone grew up with.

That philosophy is absent here it seems. The men should be shaming any other man who hits his wife/girlfriend. There can be no tolerance for violence like that.
 

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When I was a kid in the last millenium, we were raised never to hit a girl or a woman. A man who was known as a wife beater was viewed as lower than whale shit. It just wasn't my family either, it was our entire community, from church to school to wherever. My parents had a great marriage so there was rarely anger present. My uncle and aunt had a shitty marriage but he would never have touched her in anger. It's just something everyone grew up with.

That philosophy is absent here it seems. The men should be shaming any other man who hits his wife/girlfriend. There can be no tolerance for violence like that.
I was raised that way also. I have noticed , at least in the school yard and the street that Dominican girls and women are as violent as the males, the big different is guys are far stronger and more likely to have a gun. Poor impulse control is one of downsides of Dominican culture. Passion can be great if its loving, but the flip side of that passion is not pretty.
 

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I agree, but that's not enough.

The majority of these femicides are happening because a woman either broke up with her spouse or her spouse left her then wanted to come back much later (in many cases years later) after she had moved on and he found it difficult to find another who would accept him for what he was.

They are like spoiled little boys in a grown man's body who throws a tantrum because he can't have his way.

The ones who don't kill themselves almost always say "The devil was in them" as their excuse.
Perphaps they should take a serious look starting "post" relationship counceling centers for these man childs. I'm not joking. I've known more than one guy in this country who was unfaithful to his women and made no bones about killing her if she ever left him or did the same.
 
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It is not just a barrio thing, this attitude towards women is prevalent at all levels of society and all too often is fueled by drugs and alcohol.

Promiscuity, mixed with drugs, alcohol and vile culture generate predictable results. There is no solution to this, backwards people do backwards things. We need to step away from the pervasive influence of American hood culture and learn from better more successful cultures.
 
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Policies make change. So far, government policy has not made meaningful, modern change around this issue.
Ask yourself why that is.

Abinader can try. He can put a few people in power who have the right moral standpoint. But there remains those officials who have sailed this political ship in circles for decades. They know it’s wrong, but they either believe women deserve it, they are complicit, or don’t actually even care. They’re eating their cake.

Varying degrees of this attitude permeate even the wealthiest families. The tigueres aren’t the only ones abusing women. This is normalized within the upper echelons of Dominican society too. Women normalize it. Why is the country not too far off from places like Yemen when it comes to this problem? Big money just makes the problem more hush hush.

This topic makes my blood boil and I think of dear Lindsay. The men that do this should rot in hell. Set a precedent.
 

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Policies make change. So far, government policy has not made meaningful, modern change around this issue.
Ask yourself why that is.

Abinader can try. He can put a few people in power who have the right moral standpoint. But there remains those officials who have sailed this political ship in circles for decades. They know it’s wrong, but they either believe women deserve it, they are complicit, or don’t actually even care. They’re eating their cake.

Varying degrees of this attitude permeate even the wealthiest families. The tigueres aren’t the only ones abusing women. This is normalized within the upper echelons of Dominican society too. Women normalize it. Why is the country not too far off from places like Yemen when it comes to this problem? Big money just makes the problem more hush hush.

This topic makes my blood boil and I think of dear Lindsay. The men that do this should rot in hell. Set a precedent.
Do you read the daily newspapers Auryn?
There's been a flush of articles in the last week or so about rejecting an amendment to allow marriages at 16.
IIRC it was supported by three deputies. Most of the others and many politicians are strongly condemning it.
 

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From the recent DR1 article on child marriage:

“The issue of child marriage became a trending topic after People’s Force (FP) deputy, Omar Leonel Fernandez, reported that a group of five deputies members of the Judicial Committee of the Chamber of Deputies that is studying the bill had proposed including exceptions to allow the marriage of girls 16 and 17 years old with men up to eight years older.”

I doubt they’d vote much different on topics addressing femicide. These guys just want to eat their cake like they always have.
 
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From the recent DR1 article on child marriage:

“The issue of child marriage became a trending topic after People’s Force (FP) deputy, Omar Leonel Fernandez, reported that a group of five deputies members of the Judicial Committee of the Chamber of Deputies that is studying the bill had proposed including exceptions to allow the marriage of girls 16 and 17 years old with men up to eight years older.”

I doubt they’d vote much different on topics addressing femicide. These guys just want to eat their cake like they always have.
I'm not so sure, but you may be right. There's been no shortage of politicos who have been caught messing around with minors.

Here's the latest from today from El Caribe:

Elimination of child marriage, about to become reality​


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The Justice Commission of the Chamber of Deputies approved to render a favorable report so that child marriage is eliminated.

Deputies study piece to eradicate it and will render favorable report; Abinader says he will promote measures to punish offenders

Child marriage is beginning to get on track towards its elimination since the National Congress advances in that sense and the different sectors of national life have come together to raise their clamor for unions with minors to be prohibited and punished.
The Executive Power yesterday joined the voices that reject child marriage and that ask that this practice be punished in order to prevent minors from suffering from violence, inequality, and poverty.
Through a publication on the social network Twitter, President Luis Abinader established his position against marriage between minors, also adding to the position that the first lady, Raquel Arbaje, had already adopted.
In his publication, the Head of State announced that next Monday the country will be informed of the actions that the Government is promoting so that this "abnormality" can be penalized by law.
“We reiterate the position of this Government against child marriage. It is also the official position of @PRM_Oficial. Next Monday we will inform the country of the actions we are organizing to definitively penalize this abnormality by law, ”the president tweeted.
The commission will render a favorable report
Meanwhile, in the National Congress, the Permanent Commission of Justice of the Chamber of Deputies approved yesterday to render a favorable report to the bill that modifies article 144 of the Civil Code of the Dominican Republic, which prohibits the marriage of minors under 18-year-old.
The decision was taken after a meeting held in one of the rooms of the Chamber of Deputies in which the president of that body, Alfredo Pacheco, was present, who symbolically voted for the approval of the initiative.
While the president of the Justice Commission, Deputy Alexis Jiménez explained that the decision was made by the members of the commission after developing a broad debate.
The piece by deputy José Horacio Rodríguez in one of his recitals establishes that it is a fundamental requirement to ensure that girls and adolescents can complete their education, reduce teenage pregnancies, reduce the rate of maternal and infant mortality, as well as reduce the levels of gender violence in the Dominican Republic.
Another of the recitals establishes that there is a relationship between the poverty index and marriage or union of minors, evidenced by the fact that 59% of the girls with the highest levels of poverty in the country are united or married before the age of 18 years and 23% do so before the age of 15 and that, in this sense, the conclusions of a 2017 study by the World Bank and UNICEF, based on data from 2015, establish that the country's general poverty would have been reduced by 30% to 27%, if the marriage of minors in the country were eliminated.
In the Commission, no one supports the practice
The president of the commission clarified that no member of the Justice Commission favors child marriage in the country, after ensuring that child marriage does not exist in the Dominican Republic.
“What I do want to make clear is that in this committee it is the positions that we have expressed, that I want to be clear and that I have expressed personally and that none of the deputies according to the impression that we have, no deputy agrees with the marriage childish. There is no child marriage in the Dominican Republic, ”said Alexis Jiménez.
The commission received a document from the National Council for Children and Adolescents, where the body sets its position on the initiative.
The institution points out that girls and adolescents cannot be allowed to continue to suffer the abuse, violence, unwanted pregnancies, and rapes that are perpetrated against minors.
"16 years to get married is outrageous"
Before the commission's decision was reported, the president of Conani, Paula Disla, and Rosa Elcarte, UNICEF representative in the country, described it as "outrageous" to propose marriage waivers from the age of 16.
Both were resounding in their judgments to ban child marriage, claiming that the proposal that is known in Congress puts Dominican girls in danger.
Disla visited the National Congress at the invitation of the Justice Commission and there he assured that in the meeting held with the deputies, he would advocate so that “the decisions made by the legislators are the correct ones so as not to affect the physical, psychological and emotional development of children ”.
In that sense, he considered unions at an early age and abuse and stated that the permission established by the Law to contract marriage has a difference of five years between couples when it should be eight years.
He stated that minors under 18 are still under the protection of the State and said "they do not have the capacity to marry, buy alcoholic beverages or cigarettes."
For his part, Elcarte reiterated that "it is outrageous that once again, after so many debates, we return to Congress with this issue" and said that the topic and the positions "are clear" to deny child marriage in the country.
The UNICEF representative in the country explained that the Juvenile Code and the Convention on the Rights of the Child establish that minority is limited to 18 years of age. These clarifications are opposed to those of deputy Jiménez, who assured that, according to number two of the Juvenile Code, differences are established between children, infants, and adolescents.
Elcarte continued to deplore the initiative that is known in the legislative body and stated that "a 16-year-old girl who marries someone older is an incorrect act" because, according to her arguments, "they do not have the physical or psychological capacity to make decisions ”.
“An adult who marries a minor is killing, abusing, and raping her. Let her decide when she is an adult ”, emphasized Elcarte.
The representative in favor of children referred in her speech to the President of the Republic, Luis Abinader, saying that the first president has shown himself against the initiative that is known in Congress and stated that "many social groups" also deplore the proposal.
The issue of child marriage has gained much more force in recent weeks after the Justice Commission resumed the study of the piece that aims to eradicate it.
Current officials and those of the past administration have given their opinion on this matter. Such was the case of the former Administrative Minister of the Presidency, José Ramón Peralta, who in a post on Twitter called on legislators to reflect so that the Dominican Republic fully guarantees the rights of girls. "16 years is not the age to get married," emphasized the former official in the posted message.
Finjus considers it a threat to development
The Institutionality and Justice Foundation (Finjus) also joined the request of a large part of society that has proposed to the National Congress the elimination of the law of child marriage, considering that this practice represents a threat to the human development of Dominican girls and adolescents, with serious social consequences. “As recent studies and research show, the Dominican Republic, unfortunately, occupies one of the first places in Latin America in the number of child marriages and early unions, leading to severe negative effects, both on the girl who marries and on her children. . It has been identified that this situation signifies a serious deterioration in the conditions of existence of large social sectors, which at the same time affects national development ”
 
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I'm not so sure, but you may be right. There's been no shortage of politicos who have been caught messing around with minors.
Caught” being a key word here. Seriously. Money talks.
 

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JD, your article tells me that the 5 committee members have changed their tune since Dolores posted the article yesterday that I quoted. Unless there is a translation issue, I believe this is the same judicial committee where 5 members “proposed including exceptions to allow the marriage of girls 16 and 17 years old with men up to eight years older”.

If the decision opposing child marriageable is suddenly unanimous today, then rightfully so.
Baby steps toward progress.
 
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JD, your article tells me that the 5 committee members have changed their tune since Dolores posted the article yesterday that I quoted. Unless there is a translation issue, I believe this is the same judicial committee where 5 members “proposed including exceptions to allow the marriage of girls 16 and 17 years old with men up to eight years older”.

If the decision opposing child marriageable is suddenly unanimous today, then rightfully so.
Baby steps toward progress.

This is all well and good, but anyone who lives in DR knows that the vast majority of these young girls “getting married” and having babies is just informal living together, no legal ceremony. They call each other husband/wife, until the next one comes along. The girls see their older sisters/cousins/neighbors having babies and instead of seeing the struggle to buy diapers and formula (rare to see breastfeeding, but that’s a whole different rant), they seem to think it’s cool, and the cycle repeats itself. It will be hard to change that.
 
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