I may have found something good in Santiago

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Economic attraction is certainly not confined to the DR. Take the case of Debbie McGee and her twenty years older husband, magician Paul Daniels.

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McGee was a guest on The Mrs Merton Show when she was famously asked, "So, what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?"
 

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Economic attraction is certainly not confined to the DR. Take the case of Debbie McGee and her twenty years older husband, magician Paul Daniels.

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McGee was a guest on The Mrs Merton Show when she was famously asked, "So, what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?"

Haha

He must have performed several magic tricks on her.
 

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Thank you all for the replies, interesting stuff... the reason I posted this is, after all the threads I?ve seen about guys getting duped and screwed over by Dominican women I had to ask, but the last thing on my mind was that she was a prostitute, I knew her cousin and his father way before I knew her has I said before and they are descent hard working people, but anyway in life we have to take chances so I guess I?ll take mine with her and see where it goes, but I?ll take some of the advice posted from you guys.

Thanks!! :)
 

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Obviously there ARE risks to getting deeply involved in relationships with Dominican women, but really it takes two to tango (or bachata), and there is no guarantee that the guys are all that great catches either.

The whole question of sex tourism and international "romances" is so much more complicated than most posters would like to think.

For a start the Dominican concept of "love" is rather different from the popular American notion of "romance" and has a lot more to do with economic opportunity, especially if the girl is poor, just the same way it did in European countries even in the time of Jane Austen, until Emily Bronte came along with her nonsense and turned women's heads everywhere (and a lot of men's too.)

Dominicans don't necessarily connect love and sex. ...t she didn't want any other chica giving it up to him for free, because that would mean she had designs on him.

Does my cat love me? It comes running every time I drive up, it talks aloud to me every time I go in or out of the house, it purrs when I stroke it, but I am under no illusions that it is purely economic opportunism and that if the food stopped coming she and her two kittens would move away from my back door. Nevertheless it is MY cat in a way that other cats aren't.

If you take on a Dominican girl, you will probably be in for a rough ride, because you are dealing with someone from a different culture, but whether you can make it work is up to you and to her. There are no automatic answers.

There is a useful book here that goes more into the dynamics of these relationships:

Amazon.com: Economies of Desire: Sex and Tourism in Cuba and the Dominican Republic (9781592137503): Amalia L. Cabezas: Books

Here is a bit from a review that gives the gist of it:

The guide books, blogs, and web sites of the sex tourists invariably miss or sugarcoat the users' role as exploiters while essentially reveling in the myth of the "happy hooker." At the other extreme, the works that are properly suspicious of sexual relationships across vast economic and cultural divides are invariably too quick to reduce every relationship that has a whiff of money about it to prostitution (often in hyper-moralistic terms). Both camps miss the truth, namely that many of these relationships hover in an economic and romantic gray area where material circumstances and emotional desire are intertwined.

The achievement of "Economies of Desire" is to explore this area in between economics and sex/romance in two concrete cases, the Dominican Republic and Cuba, and to show how the various participants construct novel identities and notions of relationships that defy the existing either/or stereotypes. While the cases are drawn from these two countries, anyone with experience elsewhere will readily appreciate that similar dynamics operate there too. Importantly, the author never loses sight of the fundamentally exploitative aspect of a global tourist industry, yet manages to reveal both the affluent and the poor as people with human agency and humane feelings. It's a remarkably nuanced and therefore important book.

I read all that from the book and what you wrote and all I heard was 2 rationales for prostitution. They are cultural motivated by economics, so on and so forth to act they way they do. I disagree. It is the cultural of the the male to attend to the needs of the female in appreciation for sharing her time with him.

I just got off the phone this morning with a woman whom I like, and she in turn, who tells me that I think she only like me "por interes". And that "tienes desconfianza de mujeres". I say it s not true, but no one wants to spend the entire time talking to someone wondering if everything you say is a lie. "You have to understand I m a single woman with 2 kids and I need things". I hear you, but you gotta understand, I didnt give you those children and the things you need should be discussed with the father of those children and not the boyfriends. And I personally got a craw in my claw with this perception that I m going to be taking care of some dudes kids while he s out making more with some other babe. That makes me like some cuckolded eunuch or something. Also because it stipulates socially that your children are community property and not wholly yours to be raised productively. And it always surmises in "tu y yo nos no entendemos" where I say I understand you, you dont understand reality.

To give her $400 for her "sick abuelo"? Why would you do that? Did you make him sick? Why cant you be a fatalist this one time and say its not up to you if he lives or dies? You have no obligation to that man. If $400 is nothing to you why dont you use that to some betterment for the Haitian folks? That can buy a LOT of food for a family or 2 over there. Or get a toilet for them to share.
Bro, my thing is always the same, you wanna know people are with you because they like you and not your billfold(or ATM card). You want to learn this the Yacht Chef way. I just hope you re taller than 5'2" and have a superbad roundhouse kick.

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.Hahahaha! good one ... actually I’m 6'4" but c/mon dude 400 buck isn’t that bad and this one has no kids if she did I wouldn’t be with her in fact I think that the fact she actually asked me for only 400 bucks is great, you should see how much these bourgeois high maintenance babes cost over here, just because a girl has as much money as you doesn’t mean she costs less, you may not have to help out with the dying abuelo, but I could help save about 10 abuelos with what is costs to wine and dine a high classed bourgeoisie babe, going to 5 stars restaurants where ordering a 500 dollar bottle of wine would be the least I can do, taking them out to social places where all her other little bourgeoisie high maintenances go to look at each other’s cloths as if it’s a competition to see who has the most expensive ones, a few trips here and there to beach parties where one must rent a room at a resort for the weekend no standard rooms off course and so on and so on, so that’s my world and it literally sucks, so to me this little Dominican chick is a breath of fresh air cause that 400 buck I sent seemed like it meant the world to her, I mean seriously if you think this is money to spend on a babe go to live in south beach for a bit and you’ll see how superficial and fake those gold digging sluts are, gold digging sluts with jobs and a degree
 

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Every time I read one of these post, and see all the Dr1'ers telling people how stupid they are, (most are) It makes me laugh, because most were all stupid and made mistakes whem they were newbies..Only Dr1 members think they are smart enough to live and find love in the DR..
 
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Next thing you know, you will get her pregnant and then you are done.
I just don't get it, good looking guys from rich families and all they want to do is get owned by some girl who does nothing but watch novelas and think of how to get money out of him. If I were you, and had money to throw away, I would come to Domininican republic, get a new girl every time and just have fun. Then when I get tired of them, I would head over to colombia and have more fun with girls far far more elegant and educated than a girl who watches novelas all day.
Tell me what university she studies and what neighborhood she lives in. I will tell you the rest of the story on her. If you post her picture, I will tell you all about her family as well.
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Be afraid! be ver very afraid...

Hello Dr1 Friends!

I am a 25 year old Haitian guy living in Port-au-Prince, I went to Santiago for the first time in January a few weeks after the earthquake and stayed for 2 weeks at a friend?s house, whilst there I met a girl witch my friend introduced to me, and as soon as I saw her I felt my heart beat a hundred miles an hour, I have never felt something like this before, to make a long story short during those 2 weeks we hit it off and have been together ever since, i have been back to the DR a few times and spent time with her in the capital have decided to move to Santiago and attend college there in January and plan to get an apartment and move in with her, now my question is for you more experience folks with Dominican women, now what I will say about her is she doesn?t drink, doesn?t smoke and doesn?t like to go out much all she needs is internet and her telenovela and that seems to be enough, she did ask me to send her about 400 bucks once to pay a medical bill for her grandfather who was in the hospital, not sure if that is relevant but I?m am one of those white looking Haitians who comes from a rich family, and people have a hard time believing I?m Haitian, so am I being used, does she really love me as she sais or am I just another dumb idiot being taken for a ride?

...afraid of what you will see here. If you love her mi amigo, or if you ever want to love her, then leave this thread and never look back! Because if you continue to consult, you will be taken for an emotional rollercoaster ride that will abruptly end with your cart being thrown from the tracks. And guess what? The theme park doesn't have insurance. You will be broken, your heart will be ripped from your chest, and your princesa who didn't do anything wrong but call call upun her principe azul in her time of calamity will be the ultimate victim. You will never look at her the same. No matter how hard you try. Hey if you speak her language (and I'm sure you do) sit her down face to face and eye to eye. Assure her that you will be her principe azul for ever but you have concerns. I believe that if you listen to every word of her answer (even the words she doesn't say) and pay close attention to her body language, your princesa will give you all the answers you are looking for.
 

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.Hahahaha! good one ... actually I’m 6'4" but c/mon dude 400 buck isn’t that bad and this one has no kids if she did I wouldn’t be with her in fact I think that the fact she actually asked me for only 400 bucks is great, you should see how much these bourgeois high maintenance babes cost over here, just because a girl has as much money as you doesn’t mean she costs less, you may not have to help out with the dying abuelo, but I could help save about 10 abuelos with what is costs to wine and dine a high classed bourgeoisie babe, going to 5 stars restaurants where ordering a 500 dollar bottle of wine would be the least I can do, taking them out to social places where all her other little bourgeoisie high maintenances go to look at each other’s cloths as if it’s a competition to see who has the most expensive ones, a few trips here and there to beach parties where one must rent a room at a resort for the weekend no standard rooms off course and so on and so on, so that’s my world and it literally sucks, so to me this little Dominican chick is a breath of fresh air cause that 400 buck I sent seemed like it meant the world to her, I mean seriously if you think this is money to spend on a babe go to live in south beach for a bit and you’ll see how superficial and fake those gold digging sluts are, gold digging sluts with jobs and a degree

first of all I know the women in santiago and in miami. There is a reason why most of the men on South Beach are gay.
whatever man, you sound like you deserve this babe. It sounds like you need new and better friends. I also wouldnt do anything just to be seen doing it. Go ahead give her the money. Shoot, go run over some other old men so you can give their granddaughters money also.
 

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Every time I read one of these post, and see all the Dr1'ers telling people how stupid they are, (most are) It makes me laugh, because most were all stupid and made mistakes whem they were newbies..Only Dr1 members think they are smart enough to live and find love in the DR..

didnt give no nutjob babe $400, though.
 

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Well she went to O.Y.M in Santo Domingo and she lives in some Brazilian street not sure what the name is.
 

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Dude she is way better looking and let me just say this it's not like i went to the DR looking for girls i actually have a girl already here and a couple of others on the side, what happened over there was the last thing on my minds, and frankly I don't know why I’m so into this chick , i just am and i can't help it, she's got a certain je ne sais quoi, hell I’m not even the lovy dubby type , I’m actually a dog and have been in love twice in my life so I don’t know what the hell happened to me, by the way i did have a Colombian girl a few years ago and it turned out to be a nightmare she tried to run me over with my car.
 

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Lol AZB good point but after a while it gets boring dude I just want one girl to settle down with I’m tired of a life of debaucheries and meaningless sex.
 

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C'mon Son!

...afraid of what you will see here. If you love her mi amigo, or if you ever want to love her, then leave this thread and never look back! Because if you continue to consult, you will be taken for an emotional rollercoaster ride that will abruptly end with your cart being thrown from the tracks. And guess what? The theme park doesn't have insurance. You will be broken, your heart will be ripped from your chest, and your princesa who didn't do anything wrong but call call upun her principe azul in her time of calamity will be the ultimate victim. You will never look at her the same. No matter how hard you try. Hey if you speak her language (and I'm sure you do) sit her down face to face and eye to eye. Assure her that you will be her principe azul for ever but you have concerns. I believe that if you listen to every word of her answer (even the words she doesn't say) and pay close attention to her body language, your princesa will give you all the answers you are looking for.

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I had a service buddy back in my youth who was totally in love with his GF back home. He was an intelligent, good looking guy with a lot of class and for a year he absolutely wouldn't even think about dating any of the many Women who showed him interest, deferring to his love for his sweetie (that's American for 'princessa') back home. Eventually he made rank and flew home to marry his sweet princessa and bring her to live with him on the base.

6 months went by and his wedded bliss was interrupted by a temporary duty assignment to Germany. While he was there she slept with half the guys in his unit (worst enemies 1st) and pretty much turned into a resident pig at the NCO club, giving it up for drinks. When his assignment was over and he returned home to his wonderful princessa they picked up where they left off and returned to a state of complete marital bliss.

The difference between you and him is that he didn't ask for advice, so I didn't give any.
 
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Let me spell out to you the typical MO you've just fallen for-

1) To get you to pay more than her time is worth.

2) To get you to pay for time she is spending with someone else.

3) To get you to pay for a responsibility that should fall on her family.

4) To get you confused into thinking good sex is the foundation for a relationship.

5) To get you to make life-altering decisions strictly for the convenience of her upgrading her living conditions.

In a country where casual sex is a cheap commodity, there is no reason that you should fall for any combination of the above listed unless you are an emotional weakling who cannot grasp the concept of what a healthy relationship entails.

If you've decided to make this decision based on a two-week fling, and are willing to accept the ridiculous notion that you are NOT getting played for your money, there is nothing anyone can say that will convince you otherwise.

And the kicker is not that she asked for money for a sick relative, it's that you gave it to her.

You should have spent enough time in Santiago to realize that if you are of a certain social class and will be living there, you will be exposed to a class of woman that would not treat you like a John, and that you do not necessarily have to settle for the first woman who shows you a great time.

If me, typing this post from NYC, have to tell you this yet you could not realize this on your own while in Santiago, then you are beyond anyone's help.

And don't bother posting her photo. Who cares what she looks like? If you think looks make a relationship, you belong back in high school.

It is absolutely ludicrous for anyone mature adult to think this situation has any redeeming value based solely on what she looks like.
 
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greydread;902968:bunny:[B said:
The difference between you and him is that he didn't ask for advice, so I didn't give any[/B].

The best line yet! Deserves some points.

I don't think these guys realize that some of the women here in DR have studied "the magic" from Haiti ... that's why they fall in love with these women! They've been bewitched!!! :bunny::bunny::bunny:
 

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Hey major I live in Haiti dude and if this mambo jambo witchcraft worked I would be married with 10 kids already, I don't believe in black magic or any other magic for that matter its nonsense
 

Berzin

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So there is a difference between getting fleeced and played by a barrio chica with motoconcho skidmarks on her legs and a "chica de buena presensia"?

Now it all makes sense...:ermm::ermm::ermm:
 
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