If You are in the DR and get sick.

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J D Sauser

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Question on that is are they really Hydroxychloroquine or something else. India is on the list of countries that peddle fake drugs to the DR.

Depends WHO buys and WHERE in India. India is a major manufacturer of medicine and chemicals used for medicines.
I would hope the DR didn't get a street dealer to DONATE them 200'000.oo fake pills for... FREE.
 
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Depends WHO buys and WHERE in India. India is a major manufacturer of medicine and chemicals used for medicines.
I would hope the DR didn't get a street dealer to DONATE them 200'000.oo fake pills for... FREE.

True but I do remember they were pulling the fakes from the farmacias? Still wondering why some countries have let other countries manufacture their drugs for them.
 

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About three weeks ago this video was made by a well known (in some circles) gallero in the Cibao region. He and two other guys (2 Dominicans and 1 foreigner, possibly Russian and can't speak Spanish lying on a bed by a corner with red pants) fell sick presumably with Covid-19. With his phone he took a short video of the conditions where he was first taken. Later on, because many people that know him and watched the video, managed to get him to a better facility by knowing people in the right places. At that particular case he thought he would be there until he dies, hence his saying "estoy condenado a morir" (I'm condemned to dying).

 
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It appears that the DR now has more recuperated than deaths from COVID-19. Most likely this is the effect of widely using hydroxychloroquine. Until recently most people hospitalized due to Covid died, now most recuperate and the gap is getting bigger, but this time favoring recuperation rather than death.

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Any credible data at all suggesting that HCQ use has anything to do with these numbers? Any legitimate local comparison in mortality rates comparing the results of those who received this drug and those who did not? Any evidence suggesting that any of the DR numbers (especially deaths) are even remotely reflective of the actual totals?

Assuming 15,000 CV19 tests performed (as of 4/19/20) and a population of 10,000,000 = 0.0015% of the total population tested.

Based on this alone, no one cane make any justifiable claims regarding the true infection rate, mortality or recuperation numbers in this country. Further, in the absence of any controlled research whatsoever, suggesting that any particular treatment protocol is more effective than doing nothing is pure conjecture.
 
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This Dr. claims HCQ saved him. I saw a video but cannot find it now.

 

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This Dr. claims HCQ saved him. I saw a video but cannot find it now.

That's because he was on the verge of dying from Covid and as a last resort he was given HCQ and very quickly got better. I wrote about his case in the famous with covid thread (https://dr1.com/forums/threads/famous-well-known-dominicans-with-covid.261943/). He along with several others were given the treatment and since mortality from that is and continue to be zero, the Dominican government ordered enough of that medicine and gives it for free to doctors and hospitals with critical Covid patients. Recuperating figures has been rising since then, now surpassing total deaths. The DR until recently was one of the few countries where deaths surpassed recuperated numbers, which show the quality of the medical facilities and care. If it wasn't for the HCQ treatment, it would most likely continue to be a death sentence for anyone requiring hospitalization due to Covid in the DR.

You should always keep in mind that in the USA the drug is politicized because Trump praised it on a news conference. Many people are against that treatment due to that, which is proof that he should've remained quiet about it. So far there are no death in severe Covid patients that have been given the HCQ treatment in the DR.
 
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That's because he was on the verge of dying from Covid and as a last resort he was given HCQ and very quickly got better. I wrote about his case in the famous with covid thread (https://dr1.com/forums/threads/famous-well-known-dominicans-with-covid.261943/). He along with several others were given the treatment and since mortality from that is and continue to be zero, the Dominican government ordered enough of that medicine and gives it for free to doctors and hospitals with critical Covid patients. Recuperating figures has been rising since then, now surpassing total deaths. The DR until recently was one of the few countries where deaths surpassed recuperated numbers, which show the quality of the medical facilities and care. If it wasn't for the HCQ treatment, it would most likely continue to be a death sentence for anyone requiring hospitalization due to Covid in the DR.

You should always keep in mind that in the USA the drug is politicized because Trump praised it on a news conference. Many people are against that treatment due to that, which is proof that he should've remained quiet about it. So far there are no death in severe Covid patients that have been given the HCQ treatment in the DR.

That should tell us all something.
 

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So far there are no death in severe Covid patients that have been given the HCQ treatment in the DR.

How can you claim that to be fact? With all the doses of HCQ that have been sent to this country and the obvious use of that drug and the clear evidence that large numbers people are still succumbing to this disease, is it not reasonable that some of the dead received the drug (HCQ) since they were in serious condition before dying?

Sorry, but your comments and those of the Dr. are just personal opinions that have not yet been substantiated anywhere in the world to the degree that proof positive has been established that a repeatable outcome can be achieved in the majority (or even a statistically significant number) of ill patients with this drug.

HCQ may help some or they may just get better on their own or because of some other factor(s).
 

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As I remember reading,

HCQ reduces the effects/symptoms in some cases
basically helps you cope

It has not been effective in saving lives... but it accelerates the recovery
 

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Anything that buys a patient more time to fight off the infection and limiting the effects of a cytokine storm is a good thing in my opinion. What we really need to tie us over is a treatment that supplements or enhances the nullification of the virus' ability to copy itself either by preventing it from entering a cell or deactivating it outright.

I'm encouraged by the reports of the promise of remdesivir. But like all of the other drug options currently being investigated, none can yet claim to be statically effective as either a treatment or a preventative. I hope a clearer path to treatment begins to emerge soon.
 
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As I remember reading,

HCQ reduces the effects/symptoms in some cases
basically helps you cope

It has not been effective in saving lives... but it accelerates the recovery

Your last statement seems contradictory. Did you mean that if you present certain conditions, the drug is of little use?
 

william webster

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HCQ reduces the impact , the discomfort of the symptoms.....
Like Aspirin.... helps you thru... helps you tolerate by reducing fever, pain etc

Whether you are a death candidate is another story and HCQ is of little to no help

certainly, the jury is still out as to whether the drug has ANY effect
The results are too sparse and too varied to conclude much definitively
 
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No
HCQ reduces the impact , the discomfort of the symptoms.....
Like Aspirin.... helps you thru... helps you tolerate by reducing fever, pain etc

Whether you are a death candidate is another story and HCQ is of little to no help

certainly, the jury is still out as to whether the drug has ANY effect
The results are too sparse and too varied to conclude much definitively

I see what you meant now.
 

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I read that he’s not allowed to speak publicly right now. :(
Yes, the doctor that treated him prohibited him from doing any interviews for two weeks. This came after he did a phone interview a few days after released from the hospital.

According to his son, Dr Cruz Jiminian was also suffering from dengue, high blood pressure, and his age at the time the Covid symptoms initiated. At the time he was hospitalized they had to take him off his high blood pressure pill.
 
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