IF you were a part of Haiti today...would you become an "illegal"

[johne]

I am 100 % in favor of closed borders or borders that require a legal procedure in order to enter. That being said I would like to discuss "What would you do if you faced the problems of living in Haiti today"?

If I was a young man such as the 10's of thousands trying to escape hell on earth, I would be first on line to get TF out of there in anyway possible. That's my honest answer. Darien jungle. bribery, (yola no), begging, any at all that would be necessary to protect my life and family. I need to think a bit more about stealing to survive. Perhaps, I would be selective in what I would steal. I have thought about this in the past when some things were stolen from my garden and thought, well, he needed that hoe and rake more than I did.

I see this, as we all do, every day living in the DR and I usually get angry about the "illegals". Immediately, I think "HEY, you have no rights here". But then again, I think, "John, what would you do?"

Yout thoughts??

 

[Northern Coast Diver]

I'd volunteer for the police or military to help rid my country of the gangs. Running away is for cowards!

 

[NanSanPedro]

Unquestionably I'd be an illegal alien here in the DR or somewhere else. I've seen the hopelessness for so long in Haiti, way before the gangs took over PaP.

 

[bob saunders]

First I would try migrating to a part of Haiti that is safer, and there are parts. Going illegally to another country would probably happen. I do feel empathy for the Haitian people but also know that the borders and immigration need to be controlled. Having a more flexible and better managed work visa program would help immensely.

 

[drstock]

No doubt I would get out of there ASAP and come and work hard, like the majority of Haitians that I know here.

 

[NALs]

Many here say they would be an illegal, but chances are high they wouldn’t leave Haiti seeing that most Haitians are going nowhere. In the mean time, Haiti’s population continue to grow and almost all of it is natural increase rather than immigration.

It may be hard to imagine most Haitians are staying in Haiti when in the DR with the obvious Haitian migrants presence just about everywhere, but those are a minority of all the Haitians. Most Haitians are on the other side of the border and are not thinking of crossing it.

 

[NALs]

Case in point, here is a Haitian (really a Haitian-American as she lived in Maryland as a kid until she decided to move to Haiti as a young adult (with everyone trying to discourage her.) The gang situation and the insecurity has forced her and her husband to leave Port-au-Prince. To Miami? Santo Domingo? Montreal? Um, to Cap Haitien. I think the only way she will leave Haiti even if it’s just across the border in Dajabón is if they have no choice in Haiti itself.

Notice in the video she says “why we picked the North when we could had picked other departments in Haiti” not “we could had gone to another country.” This is coming from someone that lived a good chunk of her early life in the developed world. Quite frankly, that’s the type of Haitian Haiti needs, especially if they might be able to influence the place for the better. Right now it must not be easy to choose to stay in Haiti given the situation, but that’s exactly what they are doing.

 

[NALs]

Btw, here she gives her reason for moving back to Haiti. It basically comes down to a strong bond she developed with the country, because despite she left Haiti as a little girl her parents would take her on constant trips to Haiti and then she went on her own still as a kid. That strong bond could also explain why instead of moving out of Haiti, they pick “the next best thing” within Haiti. I think a person like that will leave Haiti only because they are forced to, but not out of their will to do that.

 

[JD Jones]

Many here say they would be an illegal, but chances are high they wouldn’t leave Haiti seeing that most Haitians are going nowhere. In the mean time, Haiti’s population continue to grow and almost all of it is natural increase rather than immigration.

It may be hard to imagine most Haitians are staying in Haiti when in the DR with the obvious Haitian migrants presence just about everywhere, but those are a minority of all the Haitians. Most Haitians are on the other side of the border and are not thinking of crossing it.

No different than the Dominicans who wouldn't think of leaving the DR, as opposed to the ones who get on yolas thinking the grass is greener on the other side.

 

[McEnroe]

Haiti is not Port au Prince, most of Haiti is beautiful. Many come from far away providences. I would go back to the Grand anse use my father's land or call my uncle in Miami to buy a hectare for $1500 US.
I would buy oceanfront and plant a thousand West Indian cedar. I would buy as many goats as I could. $35 to 50, each goats are low maintenance.
I would ask my uncle for a canoe $350. Or share with neighbor
Use the rest of the land for yams.
Make a hammock

Chill.

 

[NanSanPedro]

Haiti is not Port au Prince, most of Haiti is beautiful. Many come from far away providences. I would go back to the Grand anse use my father's land or call my uncle in Miami to buy a hectare for $1500 US.
I would buy oceanfront and plant a thousand West Indian cedar. I would buy as many goats as I could. $35 to 50, each goats are low maintenance.
I would ask my uncle for a canoe $350. Or share with neighbor
Use the rest of the land for yams.
Make a hammock

Chill.

Are you talking Jeremie? I've never been there but heard it's great. Question I have though is how do you get there without doing PaP? That would be offputting for me.

 

[McEnroe]

Are you talking Jeremie? I've never been there but heard it's great. Question I have though is how do you get there without doing PaP? That would be offputting for me.

Jeremie is the biggest city in the Grand anse. You can fly from Cap Haitien in the north, a pretty center, directly to Les Cayes avoiding Port au Prince on sunrise airways

 

[McEnroe]

Sunrise airways has flights from Cap Haitien to Les Cayes

 

[CristoRey]

I don't think I feel comfortable sharing what I'd be doing in Haiti if I were born and raised over there but lets just say corruption can be elimated.