Maybe, but I asked about the DR. I did get one guy tell me he would prefer the USA over the DR, but would be ok with the DR coming in.
There are a lot of scared people over there now.
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Missionaries Kidnapped in Haiti
There are a lot of scared people over there now.
Why does something have to end the problems in Haiti? I certainly think those expectations are completely unrealistic.
Yes. A friend of mine, another mid 20s guy, just got robbed of the $200 I sent him plus his phone. He's scared, pissed, and depressed all at the same time.
Just a few additions...
-- The missionary group - Christian Aid - had a 2019 reported income in 2019 of $131 million in contributions, with $582,000 from investment income and $11 million in net income - $89 million in net assets. It and paid $8.5 million in salaries - $700,000 in executive compensation.....https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/341344364 (my chin is dripping with blood from biting my tongue with my "no comment").
-- They had on staff for six years an admitted and known child abuser who is currently serving 9 years in prison in Ohio for abuses in the USA
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...buse-victims-former-haiti-missionary-n1049916. https://www.the-daily-record.com/ne...nced-to-nine-years-in-prison-for-sexual-abuse. (more blood on the chin... no comment)
---The group has a staff of 20 in Haiti.Some of the missionaries have been in country for several years (the entire mission pulled out in 2019) and some only a few days.
-- for those who have posted that the weapons that the gangs are using are old and outdated - or that a small group of US special forces could simply swop in and liberate the hostages and overpower the gangs -- I think that they are perhaps not completely up to date or best informed... The gangs now have better weapons than the Haitian police and control more territory. According to a good friend of mine, it is machine gun fire that is heard daily in Martissant, the area to the south of Port-Au- Prince where the gangs have kept closed the main roads going to the south.https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article255179322.html
--the Government of Haiti estimated in 2017 that about 80% of the children living in "orphanages" in Haiti were not really orphans but had been surrendered to them by their parents for want of adequate means to support them.I have heard from more than one Haitian that the use of photographs of undernourished, impoverished Haitian children children, displayed on the covers of the four color brochures of many multi million dollar international aid organizations is considered a form of child trafficking.."An estimated 30,000 children live in approximately 750 mostly privately-run and financed orphanages in Haiti. The Government of Haiti estimates that 80 percent of children in orphanages have at least one living parent, and almost all have other family members. Poverty, lack of access to basic services, and the desire to provide an education drive parents and caregivers to place their children in orphanages. With adequate support, many children could return to family- and community-based care, and at-risk families could be strengthened to prevent separation in the first instance. More than 80 years of research demonstrates the physical, social, and psychological harm caused by raising children in orphanages and that family-based solutions reduce risk of abuse and result in better outcomes for children.."
--.I have heard from more than one Haitian that the use of photographs of undernourished, impoverished Haitian children, displayed on the covers of the four color brochures of many multi million dollar international aid organizations is considered child pornography and that foreign orphanages are a form of child trafficking. (more blood on my chin)
--Haiti has the highest per-capita kidnapping rate in the world. At least 628 people, including 29 foreigners, were abducted from January to September. Port-au-Prince now witnesses more abductions than Bogota, Mexico City, and Sao Paulo combined. https://meaww.com/millionaire-organizations-missionaries-kidnapped-in-haiti-heres-how-it-made-money
-- The missionary group - Christian Aid - had a 2019 reported income in 2019 of $131 million in contributions, with $582,000 from investment income and $11 million in net income - $89 million in net assets. It and paid $8.5 million in salaries - $700,000 in executive compensation.....https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/341344364 (my chin is dripping with blood from biting my tongue with my "no comment").
-- They had on staff for six years an admitted and known child abuser who is currently serving 9 years in prison in Ohio for abuses in the USA
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...buse-victims-former-haiti-missionary-n1049916. https://www.the-daily-record.com/ne...nced-to-nine-years-in-prison-for-sexual-abuse. (more blood on the chin... no comment)
---The group has a staff of 20 in Haiti.Some of the missionaries have been in country for several years (the entire mission pulled out in 2019) and some only a few days.
-- for those who have posted that the weapons that the gangs are using are old and outdated - or that a small group of US special forces could simply swop in and liberate the hostages and overpower the gangs -- I think that they are perhaps not completely up to date or best informed... The gangs now have better weapons than the Haitian police and control more territory. According to a good friend of mine, it is machine gun fire that is heard daily in Martissant, the area to the south of Port-Au- Prince where the gangs have kept closed the main roads going to the south.https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article255179322.html
--the Government of Haiti estimated in 2017 that about 80% of the children living in "orphanages" in Haiti were not really orphans but had been surrendered to them by their parents for want of adequate means to support them.I have heard from more than one Haitian that the use of photographs of undernourished, impoverished Haitian children children, displayed on the covers of the four color brochures of many multi million dollar international aid organizations is considered a form of child trafficking.."An estimated 30,000 children live in approximately 750 mostly privately-run and financed orphanages in Haiti. The Government of Haiti estimates that 80 percent of children in orphanages have at least one living parent, and almost all have other family members. Poverty, lack of access to basic services, and the desire to provide an education drive parents and caregivers to place their children in orphanages. With adequate support, many children could return to family- and community-based care, and at-risk families could be strengthened to prevent separation in the first instance. More than 80 years of research demonstrates the physical, social, and psychological harm caused by raising children in orphanages and that family-based solutions reduce risk of abuse and result in better outcomes for children.."
--.I have heard from more than one Haitian that the use of photographs of undernourished, impoverished Haitian children, displayed on the covers of the four color brochures of many multi million dollar international aid organizations is considered child pornography and that foreign orphanages are a form of child trafficking. (more blood on my chin)
--Haiti has the highest per-capita kidnapping rate in the world. At least 628 people, including 29 foreigners, were abducted from January to September. Port-au-Prince now witnesses more abductions than Bogota, Mexico City, and Sao Paulo combined. https://meaww.com/millionaire-organizations-missionaries-kidnapped-in-haiti-heres-how-it-made-money
Timothy T Schwartz Ph D
TRAVESTY is an anthropologist's personal story of working with foreign aid agencies and discovering that fraud, greed, corruption, apathy, and political agendas permeate the industry. It is a story of failed agricultural, health and credit projects; violent struggles for control over foreign aid; corrupt orphanage owners, pastors, and missionaries; the nepotistic manipulation of research funds; economically counterproductive food aid distribution programs that undermine the Haitian agricultural economy; disastrous social engineering by foreign governments, international financial and development organizations--such as the World Bank and USAID-- and the multinational corporate charities that have sprung up in their service, CARE International, Catholic Relief Services, World Vision, and the dozens of other massive charities that have programs spread across the globe, moving in response not only to disasters and need, but political agendas and economic opportunity. TRAVESTY also chronicles the lives of Haitians and describes how political disillusionment sometimes ignites explosive mob rage among peasants frustrated with the foreign aid organizations, governments and international agencies that fund them. TRAVESTY recounts how some Haitians use whatever means possible try to better their living standards, most recently drug trafficking, and in doing so explains why at the service of international narcotraffickers and Haitian money laundering elites, Haiti has become a failed State. TRAVESTY reads like a novel. It takes the reader from the bowels of foreign aid in the field; to the posh and orderly urban headquarters of charities such as CARE International; to the cold, distant heights of Capitol Hill policy planners. The journey is marked by true accounts involving violence, corruption, appalling greed, sexual exploitation, disastrous social engineering, and the inside world of drug traffickers. But TRAVESTY it is not a novel. It is founded on 15 years of academic and field experience, research, and hard data. It entertains the reader with vivid first hand accounts while treating seriously the problems inherent not only in international aid, but the sabotaging effects of the drug war on economic development in remote and impoverished areas of the hemisphere
Travesty in Haiti : A True Account of Christian Missions, Orphanages, Fraud, Food Aid and Drug Trafficking
TRAVESTY is an anthropologist's personal story of working with foreign aid agencies and discovering that fraud, greed, corruption, apathy, and political agendas permeate the industry. It is a story of failed agricultural, health and credit projects; violent struggles for control over foreign aid; corrupt orphanage owners, pastors, and missionaries; the nepotistic manipulation of research funds; economically counterproductive food aid distribution programs that undermine the Haitian agricultural economy; disastrous social engineering by foreign governments, international financial and development organizations--such as the World Bank and USAID-- and the multinational corporate charities that have sprung up in their service, CARE International, Catholic Relief Services, World Vision, and the dozens of other massive charities that have programs spread across the globe, moving in response not only to disasters and need, but political agendas and economic opportunity. TRAVESTY also chronicles the lives of Haitians and describes how political disillusionment sometimes ignites explosive mob rage among peasants frustrated with the foreign aid organizations, governments and international agencies that fund them. TRAVESTY recounts how some Haitians use whatever means possible try to better their living standards, most recently drug trafficking, and in doing so explains why at the service of international narcotraffickers and Haitian money laundering elites, Haiti has become a failed State. TRAVESTY reads like a novel. It takes the reader from the bowels of foreign aid in the field; to the posh and orderly urban headquarters of charities such as CARE International; to the cold, distant heights of Capitol Hill policy planners. The journey is marked by true accounts involving violence, corruption, appalling greed, sexual exploitation, disastrous social engineering, and the inside world of drug traffickers. But TRAVESTY it is not a novel. It is founded on 15 years of academic and field experience, research, and hard data. It entertains the reader with vivid first hand accounts while treating seriously the problems inherent not only in international aid, but the sabotaging effects of the drug war on economic development in remote and impoverished areas of the hemisphere
You can be sure that Special Forces are drilling on a mock up of the location that the hostages are being held! AIRBORNE - death from above!! Go troops!!!
I have read that book..... you'll never look at Haiti the same again
The 'orphanage' peddlers have BIG mansions in FLA
Once again, the $$ never finds its way to where it's needed
Just like the 2010 earthquake..... felt all along the north coast of the island
The 'orphanage' peddlers have BIG mansions in FLA
Once again, the $$ never finds its way to where it's needed
Just like the 2010 earthquake..... felt all along the north coast of the island
I don't expect that to happen because of the stupid actions of US citizens, but you never know.
POTUS does need a win somewhere.
But why should the US do anything when scammers are involved? As MA posted;
The women and kids being held are not scammers. Foolish perhaps, but still Americans!
I simply don't expect a special forces rescue based upon the facts of the situation.
Yes Airbourne.....I have first hand knowledge of the 101 st., they could do the job and be back for breakfast........
‘Morally, They Are Lost’: Gangs in Haiti, Breaking a Taboo, Target the Church (Published 2021)
A French priest in Haiti recalls his kidnapping by 400 Mawozo, the same gang holding 16 Americans and a Canadian, including children, for ransom.
Christian Aid settled $420k for previous abuse case https://christianaidministries.org/haiti-abuse-case/public-statement-haiti-investigation/
The Jesuits paid $60 million in a settlement with 130 defendants https://apnews.com/article/03a0f20918d94f2b936cc0ca7acb4413
‘Morally, They Are Lost’: Gangs in Haiti, Breaking a Taboo, Target the Church (Published 2021)
A French priest in Haiti recalls his kidnapping by 400 Mawozo, the same gang holding 16 Americans and a Canadian, including children, for ransom.www.nytimes.com
Christian Aid settled $420k for previous abuse case https://christianaidministries.org/haiti-abuse-case/public-statement-haiti-investigation/
The Jesuits paid $60 million in a settlement with 130 defendants https://apnews.com/article/03a0f20918d94f2b936cc0ca7acb4413
I remember the Connecticut case. I was unaware of the Christian Aid thing until now.
The White House has confirmed that the FBI is on the ground now in Haiti https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/world/americas/haiti-protests.html
While most Haitians seem opposed to any sort of foreign "invasion" or "occupation" - I suspect that most would also be Very Grateful if these hostages were "liberated" and the most powerful gang leaders somehow "eliminated"... I suspect, however, that others would simply rise to replace them. And that the ransom will be paid by the church group. And the Airborne will not be involved.
While most Haitians seem opposed to any sort of foreign "invasion" or "occupation" - I suspect that most would also be Very Grateful if these hostages were "liberated" and the most powerful gang leaders somehow "eliminated"... I suspect, however, that others would simply rise to replace them. And that the ransom will be paid by the church group. And the Airborne will not be involved.
The people I talk to are scared and tired of all the shit. They either want out or the US or even the DR to help with stability. But again, if it doesn't come with a strong and valid economic plan all will be for nothing.
Same as Cambodia.
95% were child traffickers while I was living there. The NGO workers notorious for driving the latest SUVs (the Lexus Land Cruiser was the most popular back then) and could be found at The French Correspondence Club in Phnom Penh hob knobbin on the weekends. Hun Sen finally had enough of their disrespectful "higher than thall" behaviour and passed a bunch of new reporting laws back and 2014. Shortly thereafter 95% of these "NGOs" left the country to re-establish themselves in neighboring countries.
I am still friends with the guys who run C.H.O.I.C.E over there in Cambodia. One of the only legit charitable organizitions still operating in the country . Having lived and spent a lot of time in "developing countries" I can say with confidence, most "NGOs" are run by the absolute worst kind of people.
Please don't completely misconstrue... that -- well -- I believe that they are "scammers" -- any more, perhaps, than any OTHER aid group are scammers... I do, of course, hold my personal opinions about the "white savior complex" and laugh a bit when I hear of those hear who go down to the DR (particularly) for the 2 week vacation/mission..
But this goes right on down from the World Bank, through USAID, all the government aid... all the NGOs,,,, not just the religious ones... https://kupdf.net/download/lords-of-poverty-graham-hancock_5900f7b0dc0d604821959ea6_pdf
Most developed countries have barriers against the imports of the developing world - and then send aid packages - wherein the projects are designed by the sending country and most of the money returns back to them.. The latest thinking is that it is Trade and Not Aid that is needed... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...o-poverty-economists-say-idUSLP59590620080831
Sorry if I am straying off topic...
For the most part... it has been Haitians who have been kidnapped...
Before the assassination, the US & CORE group had been talking blah blah about the elections, the elections whereas the Haitians had been talking about the fact that the streets were so insecure that there was no possible way to get to the polls... (not to mention that there were no certified voting cards)
There seems a complete absence of solutions being proposed... except for a "general strike" --- (more blood on my chin)... and a general consensus on No Foreign Intervention....
(and, of course - France owes us a Zillion Billion dollars -- which they do, of course -- and the US has installed these puppet governments -- which we have done-- and we want Haitian solutions -- which, if these kidnappings continue, and all the foreigners leave, they will most certainly get)