Musicians who are not legal residents getting paid for gigs in the DR - is that legal?

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JD Jones said:
Maybe post on the legal forum which our DR1 legal team follows?
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Uhm, er , Hmm.

JD THIS IS THE LEGAL FORUM! :cool:

I await the "legal answer from the legal team that follows this forum".

But I must admit the replies have been amusing and sometimes so far off base.
 
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I am surprised at one poster who did not realize that in order to get a cedula you had to have legal residence.
And with that you can work legally in the DR, drive legally in the DR with a DR license.


That is not the type of person this thread is about. It is about the person without a cedula. An illegal alien....
 
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chico bill said:
So Winde, you are a musician and play at times in bars where tourists or foreign residents gather and I am fairly certain you are paid always in cash and maybe also some free beer ?
Do you have a work permit, because a cedula means only the right to reside in DR, not work
Do you report your earnings to the DR government for their share ? The magic 8-Ball says "Not Rikrey" - (the 8-ball is made in Asia now)

And one thing is for sure - a bar who employs foreigners to perform surely isn't the type to bring in a Bachata band - his customers would not appreciate it and leave.
And performers who know English and can play, sing and have a repertoire of hit songs are hard to come by.
Is someone stealing gigs from you why you asked ?

And let's face it - no one is making a fat living playing in Dominican dive ex-pat bars, maybe just enough for one week of food at Playero, if they like cheese sandwiches.

On this issue (not all) Live and Let Live, it's pennies
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Chico Bill, Windy is a Dominican citizen.
 
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windeguy said:
My question is very simple. I know people that live here full time on tourist cards. They have no cedulas, They drive to gigs without valid DR licenses. What could happen to them if they are getting paid for such gigs? I am only looking for the legal answer to that question based upon existing laws.
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So, this is because you are upset? Hope you don't turn them in.
 
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windeguy said:
Is it legal for musicians who are in the country on tourist cards to work, play music, and get paid for that as musicians in bars and restaurants in the DR?
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What type of "tourist card"? There are several types as you might know. Some are exemption type visa issued to an individual or registered business in the DR.Specialized visa/cards as you call them allow those "illegals" (your term) to work tooting their flute right along with you.
This is your OP that asks is it "legal". Perhaps to cut thru the BS and to avoid you having to put your boxing gloves on you might have asked:
1. Is there a legal way that...
2. If a musican performs "illegally" in the country where I am a citizen what are my remedies to correct...
3. How serious is this offense? What are the penalties.?
4. Is there an enforcement team in place that can stop this abuse...it's "illegal"
5. How can I determine that something is "illegal"...
 
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johne said:
What type of "tourist card"? There are several types as you might know. Some are exemption type visa issued to an individual or registered business in the DR.Specialized visa/cards as you call them allow those "illegals" (your term) to work tooting their flute right along with you.
This is your OP that asks is it "legal". Perhaps to cut thru the BS and to avoid you having to put your boxing gloves on you might have asked:
1. Is there a legal way that...
2. If a musican performs "illegally" in the country where I am a citizen what are my remedies to correct...
3. How serious is this offense? What are the penalties.?
4. Is there an enforcement team in place that can stop this abuse...it's "illegal"
5. How can I determine that something is "illegal"...
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No, I am not aware of "several types of tourist card". I know of only one type of tourist card for which a person enters a country from a tourist card country and for $10 gets to stay legally in the DR for 30 days. That is the type of tourist card I refer to in my OP.

Thank you for your very helpful other itemized questions, which may prove useful later as soon as I get an official law to see.
By all means, I hope the legal team responds to those questions as well as mine in the OP.

What are the other types of tourist cards? The other "options" you bring up are NOT tourist cards and are not relevant here.
So what other tourist cards are there?
 
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SKY said:
I can never understand why people insist on more laws, more government control, etc. Anyone wanting to change the structure of the Dominican Republic should go back to where "Big Brother" runs your life. . To many of us that is the beauty of this Country..............
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While there are some new laws and some old laws are being enforced more, NONE of this is being done because a handful of expats complained about them. It's being done because Dominicans themselves are demanding changes.
 
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windeguy said:
Uhm, er , Hmm.

JD THIS IS THE LEGAL FORUM! :cool:

I await the "legal answer from the legal team that follows this forum".

But I must admit the replies have been amusing and sometimes so far off base.
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See? That's what happens when I write before coffee.
 
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Big said:
Interesting! An adult man asking the legality of a tip jar at his music" gigs" in a tourist dive bar. Yes, we need a staff of legal eagles to delve into this highly complex employment issue.
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I have never played for tips. Not in hundreds of gigs during my lifetime. And yet another irrelevant post on this thread.
 
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chico bill said:
Do you have a work permit, because a cedula means only the right to reside in DR, not work
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All legal residents have a cedula and legal residents definitely have the right to work here. This is a rarely mentioned benefit of residency since most expats that come here are retired and are not interested in working. Plus, Windy is a citizen. He's mentioned that literally dozens of times here on this forum over the years.
 
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There is a reason that this is a "legal forum". If you do not know what the "legal laws" are why post? SMH...
 
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windeguy said:
These people I am asking about do not have one of these permits (which are certainly not a type of tourist card).

Good to know about the permits.
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Now does that answer your question asked of me in post #46? I wasn't going to answer you because you want to hear from a law firm, not from the members that know how to do a bit of research. If you feel like parsing the words tourist card and permit (which it not) go for it and enjoy the rest of your day.
 
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johne said:
Now does that answer your question asked of me in post #46? I wasn't going to answer you because you want to hear from a law firm, not from the members that know how to do a bit of research. If you feel like parsing the words tourist card and permit (which it not) go for it and enjoy the rest of your day.
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No, it does not. Those are not tourist cards. I asked you about tourist cards that had the potential to allow people to work. So the answer, again, is no. I am not parsing anything. These are VERY different things. And the people I am talking about have none of them. But thanks for trying.

The only thing I can infer from those special permits is that someone would need such a permit (or legal residency in the DR) to play music legally for money in the DR.

I await the legal teams response to my interpretation and to my legal question.
 
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Would they not be independent contractors. Like freelancers. Maybe technically they need some kind of permission to perform temporary while in the DR. Imagine the bureaucracy.
 
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