New and Important Info on Satellite TV in DR - Charlie (DN) going N3

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Rubio,

I have few receivers (pansat and a HD viewsat) and I'm planning to buy an nFusion.
What do you suggest? Do it now or wait? Do you think that nfusion box will be able to open N3 for sure??
How about the other box which is sold in Mexico only?
What would you do?
Thanks!

The Hun

Right now, the general consensus in the FTA community is not to buy anything until things become clearer (later this year). Right now, nfusion doesn't have anything more than Viewsat.

The question is not whether nfusion will open N3 channels, but rather when. People in the know don't think nfusion will start opening up N3 channels on DN via IKS until at least the grand majority of channels on DN are in N3. However, if we take as an example of what nfusion did in Canada, after DN completes the conversion to N3, we will have most of DN channels in N3, but NOT PPV. Today, nfusion is the only receiver that opens up BEV (Bell Canada TV) that has gone completely N3 in November 2008. In that case, nfusion also didn't open up BEV until the majority of channels were in N3.

In Mexico, they sell I-Link, it right now opens all Dish Latino channels (N3) and porn channels (N3) and as a bonus has all HBO/Cinemax/Showtime/StarzEncore packages. It uses IKS same as nfusion. ILink also opens up TELEFONICA package on Amazonas (61w) via IKS and they work on opening up SKY Mexico. There are rumors there are already some dealers in Puerto Rico. The price is steep though, at US$280 for Ilink it is for those who have to have Dish Latino packages.
 
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The Dish cards I programmed for the bar are still up and running minus a few unimportant channels. Someone told me that they could last untill August.

If you call Dish Latino channels (Telemundo, Telefutura, Mun2, CNN en Espanol, Fox Sports en Espanol, MTV Latin, HTV, TV Colombia Internacional, De Pelicula, and about 20 other channels in Spanish, basically the core what Spanish-only speaking viewers in the DR are watching) as "unimportant channels" then I guess you're right. I wouldn't call them unimportant, though.
 

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If you call Dish Latino channels (Telemundo, Telefutura, Mun2, CNN en Espanol, Fox Sports en Espanol, MTV Latin, HTV, TV Colombia Internacional, De Pelicula, and about 20 other channels in Spanish, basically the core what Spanish-only speaking viewers in the DR are watching) as "unimportant channels" then I guess you're right. I wouldn't call them unimportant, though.

Sorry, what I should have said is that most are on the local cable.
 
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D!$h premium movie channels in the 300's range (HBO, Cinemax, Showtime and StarzEncore packages) gone N3 as of early this evening today Thu, May 28, 2009.

Also, some sports and general interest channels in 100's and 200's range gone N3 as of today as well (e.g. DIY - 111, Outdoor - 153, CBSCS - 152, etc.)
 

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Thanks Rubio

I'm still kind of lost though - I finally got a check and am ready to buy but should I wait until later this year until the codes are cracked or can I get an inexpensive system without all the bells and whistles (ie no ppv, porn etc)?
 
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Wait about a month ... by that time everything should be in Nagra 3 * and it will be much clearer what's up on the sat field.

* As per user posting in nfusionforum.com who has a regular sub card from DN, he is getting "Replace card by June 4" on all remaining channels in Nagra 2 on his Nagra 2 sub card. At that date the rest of the channels in N2 should stop working with regular subscriber Nagra 2 cards. From the past experience of Nagra2 to Nagra 3 migration (on channels gone already N3), FTA receivers and all hacked ROM cards will be affected approximately 3 to 7 days later.

In a certain way, this is a good news. Nfusion will not release anything new until Dish makes the first move and switches everything to Nagra 3. Most other receivers will most likely be left in the dark as they do not use Internet Key Sharing (IKS), but rather standolone bins (emulation). Nagra 3 has 99% been not broken yet so standalone bins will not be working. Sonicview has already released Internet dongle, Viewsat is expected to either release something (like a dongle) or come up with Ethernet-enabled new receiver. K-BOX is able to decrypt Intrnational channels already in N3 using IKS, and I-Link (sold in Mexico) is using IKS for Nagra 3 channels on DN, emulation for Nagra 2 channels on DN, and IKS for Amazonas and SKY.

Nfusion is currently doing IKS for nagra 3 channels on BEV and IKS for Nagra 2 channels on DN. Nfusion si the only one that has Nagra 3 channels on BEV opened at all (75% channels working), no other receiver is getting BEV (Canada) form the time they completely switched to Nagra 3 in November 2008.

For now, IKS seems to be the nearest future of FTA, until (and there is big IF) Nagra 3 is broken or leaked or stolen or anything. This means no PPV but most of the channels which can get subscription (including premium movies e.,g. HBO, Cinemax, etc. and some XXX) should be available via IKS (using a regular sub card on the server doing the key sharing).

IKS in simple words: getting decryption commands from a centralized server about every 30 seconds. The centralized server has a regular functional subscriber card and is "reading" the decryption codes as they come from PROVIDER to a regular PROVIDER receiver (even though it cannot break them, just read them) and copies these codes to the server which responds to "requests" from the "remote terminals" (the nfusions).
The whole process is kind of a business secret and the reason why nfusion has been so successful.

Right now, everybody is saying this: wait and see, don't buy anything, and that means ANYTHING.

Here is the updated list of channels gone N3 already on Charlie TV (D!$h)
http://www.dr1.com/forums/759006-post2.html


To end this post, a little bit of optimism: C&P from a different site, from Superstar (unofficial speaker for Pyros twins (nfusion team):

Everyone can say what they want but until real proof is released, it is all rumors.

Remember, nfusion also has been working very hard and they already have most of the channels working but not released yet.

This was not released again for specific reasons but it will be sooner than later.

They have done there tests, all 100%, no freezing like the competition.

Just let Sonicview do there things and let nFusion answer them back.

Who would you guess is the expert in this technology?

nFusion makes it look too easy but it is not like anyone can do at the moment.

Also, like I stated before, Internationals are very important and will be up.
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D!$h premium movie channels in the 300's range (HBO, Cinemax, Showtime and StarzEncore packages) gone N3 as of early this evening today Thu, May 28, 2009.

Also, some sports and general interest channels in 100's and 200's range gone N3 as of today as well (e.g. DIY - 111, Outdoor - 153, CBSCS - 152, etc.)

Channel 300 - HBO East
Channel 303 - HBO West
Channel 318 - Showtime East


As of 3:30pm Friday, May 29th, the above three premium channels are still working.

So are PPV Nude channels 481,482,483 and 484.
(Not that I would really have noticed)


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DN has finally migrated to Nagra 3 today.

As of 5.30 pm ET Jun 18/2009, all DN is DARK DARK DARK except few network TV channels (ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC)
 

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Okey so what's next, when cna we get equipment and how to move forward...like chip I ma ready to get a FTA equipment here in Santiago
albin
 
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Okey so what's next, when cna we get equipment and how to move forward...like chip I ma ready to get a FTA equipment here in Santiago
albin

Right now, there is wait ...
KBOX has internationals (via IKS)
SonicView has a new ethernet dongle and most of regular TV channels on DN wide open in N3 via that dongle but people report freezing (via IKS)
Ilink a new box from Mexico is reported working fine on DN, BEV, Amazonas Telefonica and SKY (via IKS)
Nfusion... we are now waiting and seeing around the campfire, people high up the grapevine say something's coming within the next few days (BEV has been up in N3 on Nfusion since last year, so we expect the same for DN) (via IKS)
Viewsat, CaptiveWorks, Pansat, Neosat, etc ... most likely will remain dark until the mfgs come up quickly with some solution (bear in mind there is no N3 hack yet, everything working in N3 is based on ***-sharing a/k/a IKS) (these are standalone FTA boxes and that's the problem for them now, can't do IKS)
 

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Discovery HD Theater on 9421 and ION on 280 is still working.
Note: these 2 channels are also on a couple other channel numbers.
They are not scrambled channels.

NASA, Angel One are also non-scrambled channels


Don
 

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Right now, there is wait ...
KBOX has internationals (via IKS)
SonicView has a new ethernet dongle and most of regular TV channels on DN wide open in N3 via that dongle but people report freezing (via IKS)
Ilink a new box from Mexico is reported working fine on DN, BEV, Amazonas Telefonica and SKY (via IKS)
Nfusion... we are now waiting and seeing around the campfire, people high up the grapevine say something's coming within the next few days (BEV has been up in N3 on Nfusion since last year, so we expect the same for DN) (via IKS)
Viewsat, CaptiveWorks, Pansat, Neosat, etc ... most likely will remain dark until the mfgs come up quickly with some solution (bear in mind there is no N3 hack yet, everything working in N3 is based on ***-sharing a/k/a IKS) (these are standalone FTA boxes and that's the problem for them now, can't do IKS)

From what I heard, N3 has been hacked for a while. The problem is that don't don't have a
working blocker. Until they do we are SOL. In the mean time, card sharing is the way to go.
 

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What is a blocker in terms of this technology?
I haven't run across that term before.

A program that blocks your card, so they (Providers i.e. Dish) can't use CM's to loop it (Render it useless). Once that is discovered, it will be back to the good old days.
 
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Any news from nfusion

Has anybody heard anything about the nfusions, when are they coming back??? It's been kind of boring without DN, we've been forced to support our local cable!!!
 

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Has anybody heard anything about the nfusions, when are they coming back??? It's been kind of boring without DN, we've been forced to support our local cable!!!

Nfusion is good for Bev, KBox is good for DN..and the Sonic View with IHUB can obtain both DN and Bev. Only the boxes with IKS, through Internet can be used. I am planning to purchase the SV/IHUB in the next 2 weeks. I have the V.S Ultra now, with only 19092 channel working..lol Why not download Limewire in the meantime? You can download full movies, music, and yes prn...Just be very careful with viruses and spyware. Make sure you have some good protection like Windows/onecare, Avast, etc. If you need to locate a dealer for the Sonic View/IHUB, pm me and I will send you their information. I'm not sure if I can post it here or not, I think it would be a form of advertising for them...
 

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I should also mention...if you have a FTA unit..you can get a motor and go real free to air...There are over 200 channels that are free, but they are located on too many sats, so a motor would be your best bet right now until you either make the purchase for Sonic View with IHUB, NFusion or Kbox IKS..Ilinks...you can go to lyngsat to see what sats have what channels.
 

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nfusion

What kind of channels can you receive with nfusion here in the DR. Living at Las Terrenas at the north coast. Seems to be only working system...

Looking for a professional who can install this system and satellite internet. Somebody knows one?

What i have at this moment installed since 3 weeks or so:
-2 large dishes
-viewsat maxhd which not works.....
-internal quality cable system

Or is it better to go to Claro or Sky sattelite???

Please advice people.
 

OU812

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What kind of channels can you receive with nfusion here in the DR. Living at Las Terrenas at the north coast. Seems to be only working system...

Looking for a professional who can install this system and satellite internet. Somebody knows one?

What i have at this moment installed since 3 weeks or so:
-2 large dishes
-viewsat maxhd which not works.....
-internal quality cable system

Or is it better to go to Claro or Sky sattelite???

Please advice people.

The best thing you can do is go to satfinder and lyngsat...This will help to see what Sat you can pick-up..Meaning, satpointer for example. Enter your location etc it will tell you what size dish you need etc. Lyngsat will tell you what channels and locations on each sat and lots more. Here in the DR, you will need an 8-10 foot dish to get BEV, but DN especially Sat 8-10 or better known as 110 you will only need 3-4 foot dish. I know a lot about this stuff since I am a Mod on a site... If you like, PM me and we can speak live since there is so much to discuss about your question. If you have Skype, just PM me your ID and I will add you in.

Noel
 

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From what I heard, N3 has been hacked for a while. The problem is that don't don't have a
working blocker. Until they do we are SOL. In the mean time, card sharing is the way to go.


You seem to know your stuff!! Card sharing is only good on a private server with a few close friends. Anything public or semi-public is too risky, even if the servers are supposably off shore hint "asia". Best thing would be to setup your own server and share it privatly. Only option i see for now anyways. The software is out there for this. Best bet in a near future untill a blocker is complete,would be an armulator, when they get a full dump.Best testing device i have seen in years.
 

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You seem to know your stuff!! Card sharing is only good on a private server with a few close friends. Anything public or semi-public is too risky,.
Allready out there and working. Both BEV and Dish. Direct TV has been for years. The secret is "Don't go public" Do your homework and make friends. Not me LOL. Out of the business now, just keeping up to date as a hobby.