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we all know cb's view on communism as the epitomy of evil and the rights of the industrialized to spread democracy and capitalism at whatever means and costs. he is entitled to this opinion. i rather admire the communist state of cuba for their perserverance. it is said that after the fall of ussr they had little fuel and their people were sustaining on 2/3 of their caloric intake. they showed their ingenuity and bagan a green revolution to feed themselves without the fuels that goes into mechanized farming, turning rather to local growing. they may get the last laugh if the greedy of the world use up all the hydrocarbons and find globalization too expensive to sustain. they will have a heads-up on the rest of the world. and what a shame we americans deal with the chinese and will not recognize and still try to trample the nation of cuba. just my thoughts... peace;)
 

Ezequiel

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I'm sorry, I have the wrong info.

Cuba offers scholarships to people from low income families from any country.

::: IFCO / Pastors for Peace :::

Medical School in Cuba!

How is the Dominican government doing on educating it's people?


Good Afternoon AnnaC, the Cuba government offers scholarships to poor African American family too.

Americans study medicine in Castro's Cuba - Americas - International Herald Tribune


How is the American government doing on educating it's people when American are going to cuba to study?
 

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we all know cb's view on communism as the epitomy of evil and the rights of the industrialized to spread democracy and capitalism at whatever means and costs. he is entitled to this opinion. i rather admire the communist state of cuba for their perserverance. it is said that after the fall of ussr they had little fuel and their people were sustaining on 2/3 of their caloric intake. they showed their ingenuity and bagan a green revolution to feed themselves without the fuels that goes into mechanized farming, turning rather to local growing. they may get the last laugh if the greedy of the world use up all the hydrocarbons and find globalization too expensive to sustain. they will have a heads-up on the rest of the world. and what a shame we americans deal with the chinese and will not recognize and still try to trample the nation of cuba. just my thoughts... peace;)

Yet with half the land under rice production the Dominican Republic produces a much higher yield - why is that. The Cuban government loves being at "war "with the Yankees. It's a convenient excuse for any problem in Cuba. They just say it's cause by the embargo. People either don't know or forget that Cuba was before Castro far more advanced than the DR in most ways and that the majority of the infrastructure was planned and initiated by those nasty Americans in the early 1900s.
 

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Yet with half the land under rice production the Dominican Republic produces a much higher yield - why is that. The Cuban government loves being at "war "with the Yankees. It's a convenient excuse for any problem in Cuba. They just say it's cause by the embargo. People either don't know or forget that Cuba was before Castro far more advanced than the DR in most ways and that the majority of the infrastructure was planned and initiated by those nasty Americans in the early 1900s.

Those "nasty americans" comment may have been made in a tongue-in-cheek manner, but US relations in Latin America has always been about encouraging US-sponsored despotism and creating monocultures so that any future self-substanence by the country in question becomes an impossibility.

This is not US bashing-this is just the truth. The US hates communism only when it doesn't have free trade agreements with the country in question. The whole Cold War was based partly on that very economic principle.

US foreign policy in this hemisphere has always been about Latin America being our economic and political bitch. So Castro to an extent doesn't want that. Can you blame him?
 
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we all know cb's view on communism as the epitomy of evil and the rights of the industrialized to spread democracy and capitalism at whatever means and costs. he is entitled to this opinion.
That is not at all what I have posted. Please do not put words into my mouth.

My "personal problem" with Communism is that it sacrifices the sovereignty of the individual for the group. It states that the gubmint is more important than the individual man. And, yes, that to me is evil. And I suspect that the MILLIONS that have been directly killed or imprisoned by Communist regimes...including the People's Paradise of Cuba...may agree with me.

Hate on me for truth, not for fiction.
 

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How is the American government doing on educating it's people when American are going to cuba to study?
There are seats in American medical schools that go unfilled? I'm thinking....no.

Why are there many Americans who go to offshore medical schools, including the DR?

Hint: it isn't racial.
 

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I think there's nothing like an exterior enemy to help maintain the status quo in a country, whether it's Cuba, USA, Russia, or where ever. My Cuban friends who don't agree with Cuban politics all recommend travel to Cuba over the DR for safety.

They say that there's more severe punishment for a crime against a foreigner than a Cuban, so criminals act accordingly. They know the consequences. Cuba can't afford to loose the US dollars from tourists. Also they mention guns, that guns are very easy to obtain in the DR and "everyone has one." So you won't just get mugged, you could get shot.

I have to say I was really alarmed when I was out on a date and the guy I was with asked me if I could put something in my purse.... not his cell phone.... not his keys.... but his big freaking pistola. First time I ever saw one.... made out of metal.

I told him no, I'm not a resident, I don't have a license and this gringa is not spending her vacation in some forteleza. I didn't feel safer, not one bit.
 

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In general inequality is one of the main reasons for crime. People think - why does this person have so much and I have so little???? They need to share. When I was growing up with the communists - we were not supposed to know rich people exist. How would you want something you have never seen or experienced??? So, I don't think a state has to be communist to be safe, but it is definitely much safer to live in places where everyone has an equal opportunity for education, development as well as future earnings, and not that some people can afford anything and everything while others cannot feed their children properly although they might be just as smart.
 

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There are seats in American medical schools that go unfilled? I'm thinking....no.

Why are there many Americans who go to offshore medical schools, including the DR?

Hint: it isn't racial.

It isn't racial, and many states, and universities are trying to past affimative action to diversify the Majority white university.

If it isn't racial, why the need for affirmitive action?
 

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It isn't racial, and many states, and universities are trying to past affimative action to diversify the Majority white university.

If it isn't racial, why the need for affirmitive action?

Who said anything about afirmative action - all medical seats are filled at American universities and plenty of them by non-white Americans and foreigners also(of all colours) The problem is money - if you are a poor Spanish speaking American who can get a free or almost free medical education in Cuba- why not. I have been on many university campuses in the USA - VERY DIVERSIFIED.-I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about. Do you think Comrade Castro does this out of the goodness of his heart?
 
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simpson Homer

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Cobra just a quick question by any chance have you visited Cuba ?

there is not real freedom in DR, you cant even say anything in the media either. I wont even mention the police dicipline in Cuba Vs Dominican.

Cant even land at the Dominicans Airport without being harrased by customs
asking for money.

How many people are playing Dominoes in the Dominican at the colmado when
sudden they are pick up by police patroll "raid" upsss I forgot to mention "La limpieza"

same thing at the Bavaro, Boca chica and Puerto Plata beach many time I saw people being picked just because they are not belong to that area so if that call freedom.

For the income the DR has with tax that every individual direct or indirect are paying for the toll fare,traffic of tourist coming in and out to the country
paying the $20 dollar fees shouldnt be better the roads in the DR.

There is not political prissoners in the DR, man you have the answer! dont go to far and look at pepe goico the auth. put a travel restrictions after he left
the country, now suddenly the guy is clean. all you need is money to be out
thats why you see none political prisoner in DR they dont make it to jail.

If Quirino commited a crime in Dominican Jurisdiction what is he doing in a US jail ? Dont we have plenty jail in the DR I think he can share with Florian Felix.

Not for say: For what I can see Castro stand up for his country

People say that Cuban are not allowed to live the country YES they can
leave the country the same way for Dominicans with Visas or getting married
or sponsored. I see many Cubans here in Canada and came in those way.


To resume all this issue I think DR should look forward to work at least one by one to fix the many problems starting with the citizens safety and not to expend money on toys like train and fighting jet when we dont even have a war, those guy in the army that are sitting doing nothing use them to clean the roads or use the criminals that are already locked for that.

Getting all the AID Millions from USA,Canada and Europe and nothing being done.

Hey, Homer, maybe your third trip you could tour some political prisons....;)

Are the fences in Cuba to keep folks out, or in?
 

simpson Homer

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Propina$

Because that doesnt happen to you that doesnt mean that doesnt happen
there. I guess if you try a few flights to SDQ and HAV or Varadero you might
notice the Difference. Or prob. you pay the propina before they ask you!



Maybe you can't. But I have been traveling to DR for over 3 years and have never once been asked for a "propina" by customs.
 

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I've flown into the DR, at PUJ, SDQ, STI and POP, almost 20 times in the last 5 years and have yet to be asked for a propina by customs. My flights have been from both Canada and the US, regular flights and charter. I can't even recall anyone I know getting asked either although I have read about a, very, few people that claim they've been asked. I wonder what profile they must fit! ;):cheeky::bunny::bunny:

Hmm, was wondering that myself!

I too thankfully, in multiple trips,originating from different cities and arriving at 4 of the islands airports , have never experienced this first-hand or witnessed it.

I do recall a couple at our resort in my solitary trip to Cuba some 4years ago,being terrified when the Immigration officer called them "rich Canadians" and demanded $20 from them before allowing them to enter Cuba at Varadero airport....they werent about to argue with him.
 

simpson Homer

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This whole thing can be closed but we must admit that Cuba is way ahead than
DR when it comes to those Safety, clean and Electricity lets not forget that is
poor but man have a decent State Airline for what still our country looks that is not even prepared yet for that.

Moderator ladys and gentleman was a pleasure. you can close the thread any time.
just wanted some people to know about whats going in Cuba. and that DR Should follow some of their good examples. Because they dont have money like DR does but have plenty electricity, clean cities and better roads for their citizens.

If some people have the chance to go there try it because is worth it and safe.

Americans are welcome I saw a few at my hotels some hippies from California.

Good night guys/ladies
 

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better crooks are free than innocents in jail

there is not real freedom in DR, you cant even say anything in the media either. I wont even mention the police dicipline in Cuba Vs Dominican. ---Police in Cuba are in a position of privalige

Cant even land at the Dominicans Airport without being harrased by customs
asking for money. - never happened to me in 10 years of travelling, and hasn't happened to my wife since Hippo and the PRD left power.

How many people are playing Dominoes in the Dominican at the colmado when
sudden they are pick up by police patroll "raid" upsss I forgot to mention "La limpieza" ---------------- Haven't seen that happen but then I don't hang with a bunch of criminals

For the income the DR has with tax that every individual direct or indirect are paying for the toll fare,traffic of tourist coming in and out to the country
paying the $20 dollar fees shouldnt be better the roads in the DR.----------------- you'll notice you paid a higher exit tax in Cuba($50)

There is not political prissoners in the DR, man you have the answer! dont go to far and look at pepe goico the auth. put a travel restrictions after he left
the country, now suddenly the guy is clean. all you need is money to be out
thats why you see none political prisoner in DR they dont make it to jail. - Yes lots of corruption in the DR, but at least you have the option to vote the crooks out of power. So you think it's better to have lots of innocent people in jail, like Cuba, than to have a few corrupt people go free?

Not for say: For what I can see Castro stand up for his country ---------- No more than any leader of any country

People say that Cuban are not allowed to live the country YES they can
leave the country the same way for Dominicans with Visas or getting married
or sponsored. I see many Cubans here in Canada and came in those way.------------- How come so many athletes defect from Cuba if they free to come and go.


To resume all this issue I think DR should look forward to work at least one by one to fix the many problems starting with the citizens safety and not to expend money on toys like train and fighting jet when we dont even have a war, those guy in the army that are sitting doing nothing use them to clean the roads or use the criminals that are already locked for that.-------------- I agree with you on most of this but to stop/slow down the drug traffic the DR government needs more resources such as faster aircraft and better radar....etc.
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Cuba workers Paridise lost
 

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i have never been asked for money at the airport despite my fears over transporting loads of kielbasa ;)

as alyonka says - as a child i never knew rich people existed. i happened to live in a city with a port so there was a group of kids with fathers working on polish ships, travelling all over the world and earning in dollars. but they were forbidden to wear their mickey mouse tops to school or bring with them any fancy stuff.

freedom in DR and freedom in communist countries are not comparable. i recommend to read a book "the gulag archipelago" by aleksandr solzhenitsyn before making any statements about communism...
 

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This has nothing to do with anyone getting harassed at the airport in the DR-I think that horse has been beaten to death in other threads.

This thread has had some interesting responses so far so please lets' keep it on track.
 
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