Problems with Vaccines.. past and present.

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Cdn_Gringo

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I am grateful that the DR Govt has chosen to make a vaccine available to just about everyone free of charge and the same clinics as for the locals. For a while it appeared they wouldn't be doing this. Sure I might prefer something different than what is being offered, it is what it is for now and for that I am thankful for the opportunity to get some degree of protection/disease mitigation.
 

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Covaxin from India and Sinovac from China target all 29 proteins of the virus versus the Spike protein only approach used by Pfizer, Moderns, etc... This should result in a protection that is less affected by mutations. I am not as familiar with the Sinovac product, but I personally would be more comfortable with an inactivated whole virus type vaccine ( which is what Covaxin and, I believe, Sinovac) is. Unfortunately, in Canada we only have the mRNA/DNA “vaccines” available. Be nice to travel to the DR to get a more traditional type. Just my opinion, and I am not a vaccine expert.
 

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This might be interesting for you -

This is EXACTLY what I have been arguing here with people that just have no clue what a vaccine is for. If you get covid and never have to even go to a hospital after vaccination then the vaccine works, period. Pass on and get it you have a 1 in 45 chance of ending up dead.

Coronavirus Cases:​

126,648,112

view by country

Deaths:​

2,778,179
 

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The Covid variants are demonstrating themselves to be much worse than the original strain of Covid-19. Regardless of which vaccine is available to you, most people should seriously considering getting the vaccine. Tangling with these variants is no joke.

Variants of the virus behind COVID-19 double the risk of someone being admitted to intensive care — and increase the risk of death by roughly 60 per cent — according to a new analysis of recent Ontario data from the province's science advisory table, multiple sources tell CBC News.
 

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My reading has led me to believe exactly this....

Different tests
Different samples
Different times

NOT COMPARABLE!!

Gringo
WATCH THE VIDEO!!!

One vaccine was tested against the variants...
 

SKY

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It is impossible to have 100 percent or even close to that percentage right on any of these tests. But one thing is for sure 1 out of 45 people worldwide that contracted the virus are dead. If this number is off it cannot be by much as the sample is enormous.

Bottom line as we say in the Casino business. "You roll the dice you takes your chances".............................
 

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Depends on your current status, as in, if you are in what is called here "tercera edad" (from 50 onwards) and have a health condition involving the cardiac/respiratory system, then yes, go for it ASAP. Otherwise, careful study and observation are more prudent.
The variants have been far more dangerous to those under 50 and the variants have already arrived here in the DR.
 

windeguy

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This is EXACTLY what I have been arguing here with people that just have no clue what a vaccine is for. If you get covid and never have to even go to a hospital after vaccination then the vaccine works, period. Pass on and get it you have a 1 in 45 chance of ending up dead.

Coronavirus Cases:​

126,648,112

view by country

Deaths:​

2,778,179
About 6 out of 1,000 people who contract CV19 die, which is 0.6% That is not 1 in 45 , which is 2.22%.

You are using the active case numbers that governments publish. Far more people get CV19 and are not reported in those "Active Case" numbers.
The active case versus the actual number of cases (which have now been accurately extrapolated by the CDC) causes VERY MISLEADING results.
 
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windeguy

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It is impossible to have 100 percent or even close to that percentage right on any of these tests. But one thing is for sure 1 out of 45 people worldwide that contracted the virus are dead. If this number is off it cannot be by much as the sample is enormous.

Bottom line as we say in the Casino business. "You roll the dice you takes your chances".............................
That 1 in 45 number is NOT TRUE. You are using active case numbers. Far more people are infected than those reported in the active case numbers.


6 out of 1,000 is far closer to the truth.
 
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These are the numbers in many countries. If it is off it won't be off by 1 out 166. Divide deaths into infections and you get around 1 out of 46. You want to challenge the number fine, give me some data from countries, not your opinion................

Ignore underneath please. Just click on the link at the top.
 

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windeguy

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These are the numbers in many countries. If it is off it won't be off by 1 out 166. Divide deaths into infections and you get around 1 out of 46. You want to challenge the number fine, give me some data from countries, not your opinion................

Ignore underneath please. Just click on the link at the top.
Once again, you are using the official numbers of infections noted by the governments. The are are far more people that have CV19 that never get put into those numbers. The real death rate is the Infection Fatality Rate, and that is about 6 in 1,000 overall anywhere in the world.

Here is one explanation of the IFR and why it is the real death rate and not the Confirmed Case Death rate you keep pointing out erroneously.


Note: The confirmed case death rate is a much better number for governments to use as a tool to control their populations.
 
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Once again, you are using the official numbers of infections noted by the governments. The are are far more people that have CV19 that never get put into those numbers. The real death rate is the Infection Fatality Rate, and that is about 6 in 1,000 overall anywhere in the world.

Here is one explanation of the IFR and why it is the real death rate and not the Confirmed Case Death rate you keep pointing out erroneously.


Note: The confirmed case death rate is a much better number for governments to use as a tool to control their populations.
And in some cases, to incentivize hospitals to declare a death Covid related to get more money............and boost those government numbers even higher.

All that having been said, the Chinese vaccine is a non-starter for many;


Ever wonder how/why so much money might have been spent by China worldwide to influence people not to call it the Chinese virus, yet the variants that have emerged have all been referred to as the UK variant, South Africa variant, Brazilian variant, etc?

Respectfully,
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USA has reached a new COVID milestone: 1 in 600 residents dead Source: Worldometers' count.

Which do you worry more about? The vaccine or the killer Virus????????????
Niether.
Not doing either one.
I don't do vaccines still in their trial
stages and I don't die from lab leaked viruses as I'm in good shape with a healthy immune system.
 
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And in some cases, to incentivize hospitals to declare a death Covid related to get more money............and boost those government numbers even higher.

All that having been said, the Chinese vaccine is a non-starter for many;


Ever wonder how/why so much money might have been spent by China worldwide to influence people not to call it the Chinese virus, yet the variants that have emerged have all been referred to as the UK variant, South Africa variant, Brazilian variant, etc?

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
Who do you believe?

 
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windeguy

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By the way. it appears that the Sinovac vaccine is not the same as the Sinopharm vaccine.

Sinovac is what the DR is using


Early this week, Zimbabwe took delivery of the second batch of a donation of 200 000 doses of Sinopharm and 200 000 doses of an-other Chinese-made Sinovac vaccine procured by government
 

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All that having been said, the Chinese vaccine is a non-starter for many;


Ever wonder how/why so much money might have been spent by China worldwide to influence people not to call it the Chinese virus, yet the variants that have emerged have all been referred to as the UK variant, South Africa variant, Brazilian variant, etc?

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
There is more than one Chinese Vaccine. The DR is not using Sinopharm, it is using Sinovac vaccines.
 
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There is more than one Chinese Vaccine. The DR is not using Sinopharm, it is using Sinovac vaccines.
Sinovac........Sinopharm..........does not matter to me......not taking either one.

I have zero confidence in any vaccine coming out of China.


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Phase 1 and 2 trial dataTrusted Source for the CoronaVac vaccine indicate no reports of serious adverse events.

Interestingly, the study authors found fewer reports of fever among participants who received this vaccine, compared with those who had received the Pfizer-BioNTech, Oxford-AstraZeneca, or CanSino vaccines.

 
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