Asking what people think doesn't mean I am hiding anything, which I'm not. I am far from shady, in fact, if you knew me, which you don't, you would get that very quickly. Think before you accuse people you don't know. My purpose was to create a dialogue about a potentially significant societal shift here. If the quality of this group is to accuse people you know nothing about because they ask a question, well then, perhaps I'm on the wrong group. If you have good reasons why you believe the cameras are a good idea, then post them. That's all I asked for. I'll take the high road and not attack you. Qu? pase buen d?a.
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Putting up Cameras in Cabarete
Asking what people think doesn't mean I am hiding anything, which I'm not. I am far from shady, in fact, if you knew me, which you don't, you would get that very quickly. Think before you accuse people you don't know. My purpose was to create a dialogue about a potentially significant societal shift here. If the quality of this group is to accuse people you know nothing about because they ask a question, well then, perhaps I'm on the wrong group. If you have good reasons why you believe the cameras are a good idea, then post them. That's all I asked for. I'll take the high road and not attack you. Qu? pase buen d?a.
It doesn't matter what we think. No one asked us and if we wanted to be surveilled and they won't ask in the future. We are caught on someone's camera everyday, everywhere. From the guy pointing a webcam out his living room window to the atm camera pointing towards the street.
At this point a few more cameras in high traffic areas that might catch a crime happen, it's not worth getting upset about. 1984 has come and gone and we are stuck with the ramifications forever.
I would prefer to live on a different planet that is not as intrusive as this one, but my choices are limited. I object to a video of me staggering down the street in my own stupor induced world appearing on youtube under the title, of "another stupid gringo ..." but what can you do?
At this point a few more cameras in high traffic areas that might catch a crime happen, it's not worth getting upset about. 1984 has come and gone and we are stuck with the ramifications forever.
I would prefer to live on a different planet that is not as intrusive as this one, but my choices are limited. I object to a video of me staggering down the street in my own stupor induced world appearing on youtube under the title, of "another stupid gringo ..." but what can you do?
All hotels are required now to have cameras. Many businesses do now. No one is sitting there watching people walk down the street. The cameras are just recording on a hard disk to be viewed after a crime is committed. Then the criminals have a chance to be identified, caught and punished. I think its a very good thing to do.
Sorry for my harsh response, partied too much last night!
I get defensive of NCCS bc I know how much hard work is going into trying to making the NC a safer area for tourists, expats and locals. This is something we REALLY NEED and degenerates have before tried to destroy the group!
I dont know about you but me & my friends wont use google glass....and usually i dont hang around idiots, so no problem with that.
it's nice to know that you like to OBEY. if this is not true - do something about it.
as for net - encryption does the trick.....and few other tools complicate life of big brothers ;-)
as for net - encryption does the trick.....and few other tools complicate life of big brothers ;-)
oh, and btw. - there is difference between mass surveillance on populations - WHICH IS WRONG & ILLEGAL , and putting cameras by business owners in Cabarete...i would say that they have a right to do it and GOOD REASONS to do it.
Between the tropical effect on the electronics involved and the prohibitive cost of ongoing software updates and hardware support, the cost of the system after the point of sale is what will bring it down, in my estimation. There's a bar on another island that I've been going to for decades that has been providing state of the art viewer webcam to their customers abroad through several generations of technology and at least one change of ownership, providing half a dozen, viewer operable zoom/ pan/ focus views of their property and it is great when it's up but it'll go down monthly for some sort of upgrade, replacement or software issue. They keep up with the investment because it's worth millions in marketing to them but can any government in the D.R. commit to a similar type of investment on an even larger scale (they'll need a lot more than 6 or 7 cameras) where there's no metric to directly gauge the effectiveness of their investment like the bar has with the size of their client/ member base and the login stat's and receipts from each of them?
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Besides, the more you ask from one of these cameras (wide variances from midday direct Sunlight to low light 0.5fc) the more they'll be affected by the elements and the costlier the replacements will be and the more "Leon" is going to charge to keep the thing going. I don't know "Leon" but he's probably not doing this as a public service out of the goodness of his heart if he knows what he's doing. It's a business.
for four years i lived in london, a CCTV capital of the world. cameras do not bother me at all. i do not mind them being installed in DR either but i doubt it will deter crime or result in convictions. detras de rumor has plenty of videos of various crimes being committed yet they still run articles about criminals buying their way out of jail. the presence of cameras may give people false sense of security and make them forget about other precautions. cameras don't stop people from killing others.
tell that to all these surveillance guys...the same like mass surveilance doesnt stop at all terrorist attacks - EVEN the government studies show that....
actually as for the cams mounted in negocios and so on - I would think that they may help a little...or the potential robbers would need to use balaclavas ;-)
actually as for the cams mounted in negocios and so on - I would think that they may help a little...or the potential robbers would need to use balaclavas ;-)
I asked for opinions on it and gave mine and you make personal attacks for no reason. You're unbelievably arrogant since you're personally attack people on this thread who you disagree with. Your time will come, not a question of if, just when. That's how life works.
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I agree that private business owners have the right to do so on their property. That's not the case in this case. This is a private individual pushing his agenda who just happens to, oh by the way, own a security store.
In defence of HR, i have to say that this is an unusual post from him, he normally comes across as anything but arrogant.
I personally don't think the cameras will make any difference whatsoever and the chances of them still being up and in working order in a few months is next to nil. So my view is, sit back, and let them do what they want.
Caught two days ago (January 15th) with one of the many cameras at Kaoba hotel. This is the third accident in just a few months that i have seen on the internet caught by the cameras at Kaoba hotel. It could help point the blame in the right direction instead of just relying on one or two eye-witnesses:
[video=youtube_share;R5avNUPStaw]http://youtu.be/R5avNUPStaw[/video]
[video=youtube_share;R5avNUPStaw]http://youtu.be/R5avNUPStaw[/video]
Of course to the nattering nabobs of negativity (stolen phrase from Spiro Agnew) nothing will ever work so we should all just
stop trying to do anything that might be positive or help to somewhat assist in finding a solution. It is always the easier road
to just say "that won't work, that's stupid, forget that" than actually come up with a useful idea or critique with another
idea that might work. It is always the safest and easiest way out to be negative on most things. Keep your head down is the
motto.
matt.
stop trying to do anything that might be positive or help to somewhat assist in finding a solution. It is always the easier road
to just say "that won't work, that's stupid, forget that" than actually come up with a useful idea or critique with another
idea that might work. It is always the safest and easiest way out to be negative on most things. Keep your head down is the
motto.
matt.