Recession of 2008 and impact on the DR

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December coming...
Alright Pichardo is back. Give us some good news. Tell us how we who constitute the doom and gloom crowd are wrong. Say it ain't so Joe.

Spin us a yarn. We all just want to feel good. Don't leave us hanging. Give us good news. The Good News according to Pichardo

The Gospel of Pichardo
 

PICHARDO

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Alright Pichardo is back. Give us some good news. Tell us how we who constitute the doom and gloom crowd are wrong. Say it ain't so Joe.

Spin us a yarn. We all just want to feel good. Don't leave us hanging. Give us good news. The Good News according to Pichardo

The Gospel of Pichardo

Let December come!
You’ll have more than answers then. You’ll have facts, as the facts for the last decade alone...
Those who don’t learn from history?

Here we have a new administration willing to use the true DR potential and clean house...

Change is slow in DR but sure to come.
Just finished renewing passport without setting foot on el huacalito...

Btw: Anybody knows what’s going on with the VPNs here in DR. Mine keeps getting all mixed results, mostly ghosting my DR IP address.

I think Claro is playing foul with some VPN service providers. Could be the want to pitch theirs that badly???
 
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Let December come!
You’ll have more than answers then. You’ll have facts, as the facts for the last decade alone...
Those who don’t learn from history?

Here we have a new administration willing to use the true DR potential and clean house...

Change is slow in DR but sure to come.
Just finished renewing passport without setting foot on el huacalito...

Btw: Anybody knows what’s going on with the VPNs here in DR. Mine keeps getting all mixed results, mostly ghosting my DR IP address.

I think Claro is playing foul with some VPN service providers. Could be the want to pitch theirs that badly???
What is the new ADMIN going to do about millions of Haitians living in the DR? If the PLD is setting precedent, then nothing. If folks like you keep blowing the horn of economic prosperity which I don't believe nothing can be done. If they are expelled, then it will be viewed as an arbitrary action against an impoverished African minority. If the truth is spoken on how the DR is economically unable to support another nation as Haiti then the international community will not pounce on the DR. Yet that would obviously risk the rating of the nation in terms of bonds and such. Your types are in a conundrum.
 

PICHARDO

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What is the new ADMIN going to do about millions of Haitians living in the DR? If the PLD is setting precedent, then nothing. If folks like you keep blowing the horn of economic prosperity which I don't believe nothing can be done. If they are expelled, then it will be viewed as an arbitrary action against an impoverished African minority. If the truth is spoken on how the DR is economically unable to support another nation as Haiti then the international community will not pounce on the DR. Yet that would obviously risk the rating of the nation in terms of bonds and such. Your types are in a conundrum.
So far, as I see it, this administration has been Hands-on when it comes to the Haitian issue here.

The president clearly remarked that Haitians will only be allowed with the proper documents onhand. Meaning work permit or visa issued by Immigration alone.

This precludes illegals 100% and to the point.
Given how we digitized pretty much the whole database with who’s who in the DR, it won’t be much of a problem to carry it out.

He clearly stated that the situation had to change drastically, compared to the past and immediate present.

He has Trump and the US ambassador’s go ahead for this. At least until the end of the year, so we are bound to see fast action to that end in our border and interior.

I also believe he will move to remove the penalty fee for tourists and replace it with a special long term non-immigrant tourist visa.

Venezuelans will also see some relaxation on rules to stay and work legally in the DR, until the situation changes in Venezuela.
 

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So far, as I see it, this administration has been Hands-on when it comes to the Haitian issue here.

The president clearly remarked that Haitians will only be allowed with the proper documents onhand. Meaning work permit or visa issued by Immigration alone.

This precludes illegals 100% and to the point.
Given how we digitized pretty much the whole database with who’s who in the DR, it won’t be much of a problem to carry it out.

He clearly stated that the situation had to change drastically, compared to the past and immediate present.

He has Trump and the US ambassador’s go ahead for this. At least until the end of the year, so we are bound to see fast action to that end in our border and interior.

I also believe he will move to remove the penalty fee for tourists and replace it with a special long term non-immigrant tourist visa.

Venezuelans will also see some relaxation on rules to stay and work legally in the DR, until the situation changes in Venezuela.
How difficult are the work permits and visas for Haitians now?
 

PICHARDO

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Very, because 70% lacks any official Haitian documents of identity.
Others don’t qualify under the work permit contract requirements. As they are solely seeking to stay here.
The administration says it’s seeking to provide the permits to contracted employees only, which don’t affect the national pool of workers able to fill the same spot.

Or so it goes...
 
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Abinader is seeking to raise wages, so the nationals here see these jobs as worth their salt.

Enabling private-public enterprises to that aim, with Infotep as the enabler for medium to high skills. But having those wages increased vía working together and not by pressure is the key.
 
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Very, because 70% lacks any official Haitian documents of identity.
Others don’t qualify under the work permit contract requirements. As they are solely seeking to stay here.
The administration says it’s seeking to provide the permits to contracted employees only, which don’t affect the national pool of workers able to fill the same spot.

Or so it goes...
I hope you are right because I have dozens of videos showing the Haitians doing what no nation would allow. Gangs of Haitians violently protesting in front of police stations, attacking police stations demanding that their criminal gang members be released. Haitians dealing drugs openly on the streets of Santiago. Haitian gangs roaming the streets of Santiago battling one another as if they are in Haiti. Did you see the video of Abel, Santiago's Mayor, pushing out packs of Haitians, in parks throwing dice and gambling? Parks meant for families and children.

The wicked anti-Dominican Witch Beliel with her constant demonizing of the DR has garnered support worldwide. She has played the vicitm card well. While gaining traction in the international community to legitimize the Haitian takeover of the DR, she has grown in strength and popularity while our people suffer deprivations and hunger. It's bad Pichardo. I'm lucky not to be there but I am in constant contact with Trujillistas and other Far Right Wing Dominican groups who have video evidence of what I am telling you. Also Lozano another PRO Haiti Dominican at the helm of Migration is not concerned with what harms the people.

The burning down of the Dominican flag at the border on the Dominican side by Haitian Security Forces. Where is the Army to defend our sovereignty? Are the Dominican authorities so in fear of Europe and its courts that they will not rise up and defend the nation?? Video documentation of hundreds of Haitians crossing the border as if they are crossing any no name street in their country. I feel for all my people from the Cibao region and the Cordilleras who can do nothing but see their country being taken away from them one Haitian at a time.
 
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Abinader is seeking to raise wages, so the nationals here see these jobs as worth their salt.
I disagree completely.

There are many Dominicans who will do the jobs that Haitians do at the low wages Haitians accept. In a country of 10 million plus, I guarantee you there are at least 1 million Dominicans who are unable to find work at any price and are borderline hungry practically starving by our alimentary standards and would do the job Haitians do.

We know of some families in the Cordillera areas who we personally help out on a monthly basis. They are victims of the aforementioned.

Since they, the Haitians, are occupying that workspace enabled by the wage myth propagated by folks like yourself, hungry able bodied Dominicans are unable to work and feed their families.
 

bienamor

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I disagree completely.

There are many Dominicans who will do the jobs that Haitians do at the low wages Haitians accept. In a country of 10 million plus, I guarantee you there are at least 1 million Dominicans who are unable to find work at any price and are borderline hungry practically starving by our alimentary standards and would do the job Haitians do.

We know of some families in the Cordillera areas who we personally help out on a monthly basis. They are victims of the aforementioned.

Since they, the Haitians, are occupying that workspace enabled by the wage myth propagated by folks like yourself, hungry able bodied Dominicans are unable to work and feed their families.
That sounds like a problem within the dominican hiring community not the haitians. They might not be able to screw over the nationals as they would be more likely to go the employees court whereas the haitians can't or won't. You know damn well construction an farming don't follow the 80 /20 percent law.
 
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That sounds like a problem within the dominican hiring community not the haitians. They might not be able to screw over the nationals as they would be more likely to go the employees court whereas the haitians can't or won't. You know damn well construction an farming don't follow the 80 /20 percent law.
Agreed!! But the increase in the Haitian population represents an existential threat to Dominican sovereignty and culture and the people. They have annihilated their country economically and ecologically and will do the same to the DR. An impoverished country such as the DR can not support a much more impoverished nation as Haiti.
 
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bienamor

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Agreed!! But the increase in the Haitian population represents an existential threat to Dominican sovereignty and culture and the people. They have annihilated their country economically and ecologically and will do the same to the DR. An impoverished country such as the DR can not support a much more impoverished nation as Haiti.
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Again the same problem as anywhere else. If you inforce the 80/20 rule there are not enough jobs for the immigrants an therefore no reason to migrate. This is a problem caused by the companies/private entities and the government! Usually the largest culprit is the one incharge of enforcing the law.

Agreed the DR does not have the resources to support Haiti. Therefore the reason to enforce the 80/20
 
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Again the same problem as anywhere else. If you inforce the 80/20 rule there are not enough jobs for the immigrants an therefore no reason to migrate. This is a problem caused by the companies/private entities and the government! Usually the largest culprit is the one incharge of enforcing the law.

Agreed the DR does not have the resources to support Haiti. Therefore the reason to enforce the 80/20
LOL!! The DR doesn't even have the resources to support itself. Yet, if each subsequent Dominican government continues preaching the gospel of prosperity, the international community will force the DR to keep Haiti afloat. The ones left to suffer the consequences of this institutional misdirection wil be the Dominican poor themselves who number in the millions.

How can an 80/20 rule be enforced that will pass muster with the international community who holds the purse strings over the DR?