Reggaet?n Dominicano?

Marianopolita

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Reggaeton...cultural representation?

If reggaeton survives it has along way to go before it is fully accepted as a 'genre' that represents a culture. In this case primarily Puerto Rican culture. As I mentioned in my first post I don't care for the music but I recognize that it has an audience. However to not recognize that reggaeton 'today' sparks controversy would be categorically false. The controversy that surrounds reggaeton is the explicit lyrics and 'el perreo'. For those who have more traditional tastes surely will have no regard for the music however, one of the ways I evaluate a genre of music is by its cultural representation.

The lyrics of a genre of music usually tell a lot about the culture that the music represents. How do reggaeton lyrics define Puerto Rican culture? Out of the genres of music that I listen to culture is certainly defined. My best example is Cuban salsa. Both contemporary and older artists define Cuban culture via the lyrics of their songs. If you listen to any cd by Issac Delgado or Albita Rodriguez one can get a sense of Cuban culture which is expressed via the lyrics of their music.

It is possible that reggaeton is facing the same social resistance that bachata did many years ago and in fact still does but bachata's popularity outside of the DR has been accredited to Juan Luis Guerra y 4.40. As a result of his renowned cd Bachata Rosa bachata began to gain more popularity outside of the DR rather than in its country of origin. Anyone who knows the history of bachata music knows the social 'stigma' that it carried for a very long time and still carries today (by some of the older generation). Traditionally bachata music was solely associated with rural lower class folk. However, contemporary artists have marketability and suffice to say the genre will continue with the success that it has had over the past decade.

I still believe reggaeton is a 'moda pasajera' with an exclusive audience. The social stigma will prevail and the genre will last so long as there are rappers, hip hop artists etc. who want to cross over to this genre. Going back to my basis when evaluating a genre of music. Traditional Puerto Rican music (bomba y plena) is representative of its culture in my opinion more so than reggaeton but if Puerto Ricans are embracing it fully more power to them.


LDG.
 
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Nah not just the US ,Reggaeton Latino is gettin biiggg everywhere now. When I got back to the Uk,It was all over mtv,i was like oooh a taste of DR here lol...Luvin' Don Omar's Video on mtv with the "dominican flag" :classic:
 

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To an extent I Disagree....

Lesley D said:
If reggaeton survives it has along way to go before it is fully accepted as a 'genre' that represents a culture. In this case primarily Puerto Rican culture. As I mentioned in my first post I don't care for the music but I recognize that it has an audience. However to not recognize that reggaeton 'today' sparks controversy would be categorically false. The controversy that surrounds reggaeton is the explicit lyrics and 'el perreo'. For those who have more traditional tastes surely will have no regard for the music however, one of the ways I evaluate a genre of music is by its cultural representation.

The lyrics of a genre of music usually tell a lot about the culture that the music represents. How do reggaeton lyrics define Puerto Rican culture? Out of the genres of music that I listen to culture is certainly defined. My best example is Cuban salsa. Both contemporary and older artists define Cuban culture via the lyrics of their songs. If you listen to any cd by Issac Delgado or Albita Rodriguez one can get a sense of Cuban culture which is expressed via the lyrics of their music.

It is possible that reggaeton is facing the same social resistance that bachata did many years ago and in fact still does but bachata's popularity outside of the DR has been accredited to Juan Luis Guerra y 4.40. As a result of his renowned cd Bachata Rosa bachata began to gain more popularity outside of the DR rather than in its country of origin. Anyone who knows the history of bachata music knows the social 'stigma' that it carried for a very long time and still carries today (by some of the older generation). Traditionally bachata music was solely associated with rural lower class folk. However, contemporary artists have marketability and suffice to say the genre will continue with the success that it has had over the past decade.

I still believe reggaeton is a 'moda pasajera' with an exclusive audience. The social stigma will prevail and the genre will last so long as there are rappers, hip hop artists etc. who want to cross over to this genre. Going back to my basis when evaluating a genre of music. Traditional Puerto Rican music (bomba y plena) is representative of its culture in my opinion more so than reggaeton but if Puerto Ricans are embracing it fully more power to them.

LDG.


Even though I don't like Reggaeton, I don't Believe it Represents Puerto Ricans any more than hip hop represents blacks in the U.S..What I do believe is that it represents what's going on with the Youth of Today the same way Hip Hop has in the 80's and 90's, Rock and Blues in the 50's, Soul in the late 60's and early 70's or Jazz did in the 30's and 40's. Just to give an example, look at Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On", It spoke for a generation. We also can say Public Enemy's "It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back" spoke for a Generation. Two different albums two different times and genres but they accomplished the same thing. They spoke for a Generation of youth, but not for an entire Ethos.


As far as Social resistance goes, well there always has been resistance to new music, especially in this hemisphere, since most musical styles were invented by the underclass whom many of which at one time were slaves. The same case that is made for Reggaeton and Hip Hop can be made for Bomba y Plena, Blues, Merengue, Rock, Jazz and Reggae. They were all looked down upon by mainstream society and the upper classes at one time and some of the above genres still are. But, why would anyone who was instrumental in creating the above genres of music care about what the upper classes and there wan-na-be's though about them in the first place?? They didn't!! If they thought about them, they wouldn't be poor and in a position that they needed to use music as a type of Catharsis, so Screw'em.......
 

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Neverlost

I understand your point and I think you understand mine. Allow me to clarify I am not saying that reggaeton represents Puerto Ricans please don't misconstrue what I wrote. I think Puerto Ricans who support reggaeton are saying that it represents them. That's why I wrote in my last line if the genre survives as a result of Puerto Rican reggaeton artists 'more power to them' regardless whether it's an accepted genre or not.

Regarding your point about social resistance in response to mine we are completely on the same page.

LDG.
 

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reggaeton is trash. I used to like it before, when it first came out, but it got old real quick. The same beat all the time, the same " bellaqueria s@&%t " all the time, it just got corny. Merengue and bachata is always on top for me. merengue and bachata forever !
Maybe you should think that reggaeton is the voice of someone who likes to have some fun. The beat get's you going .And everybody can't dance to bachata or meringue. I like that musica but Daddy Yankee get's me going
Luny Tunes 2 is great check it out just to spite me
 

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I can't wait...

till reaggeton dies, I really dislike this music. It's the same beat over & over & over again, I swear it is being "produced" by a single evil madman trap in a basement bent on world dominance through the media. Can anybody understand Daddy Yankee? What type of name is that! Did he get it from Pedro Martinez? To think they are speaking Spanish is an insult, it makes Dominican Spanish sound like Castellan, it's embarrassing to any Spanish speakers. And this Tego Calderon guy what's up with him? Does he not know rapping is not the equivalent of talking, he bores a person to sleep, if he is the product of Puerto Rican schools I feel sorry for the public education system in PR, again I hear some Spanish words but the rest is gibberish.

I am taking bets to the month/year reaggeton dies. I place my bet in June 2006, Reaggeton is drop from a penthouse in a south beach Miami hotel by Suge Knight, Suge is acquitted & proclaimed a hero. "Diddy" is sent to jail due to his participating role in "Bad Boy Latino".

Peace,
Capo
 

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Capo.....

I understand what you are saying completely and as I have said in my previous posts I am not a fan of reggaeton either but its survival (this time) depends on the PR market primarily and I think they are are in a better position to keep the genre alive via the Daddy Yankees of this world etc. Once the Puerto Rican music market embraces a genre (whether it's a fad or not) you know what that means. Use merengue as an example. We all know Dominican merengue is authentic but PR has made a market for themselves with that genre over the years to the point where Dominican artists are undermined.

As for the Spanish it's to be expected. Don't forget reggaeton lyrics are example of 'la jerga del puertorrique?o radicado en los barrios de Nueva York' (quote from la BBCmundo) and not an example of the PR school system. You would be surprised to know that PR has very good (language) schools. Trust me I know that for a fact. Daddy Yankee is a rapper and the slang goes along with it.

Reggaeton is in the spotlight only because other genres are not producing simple as that and Latino youth are the target who possibly don't have any appreciation for the traditional rhythms. It may be here to stay and coexist with the other genres or it may be a fad. Only time will tell.


LDG.
 
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Lesley D said:
I understand what you are saying completely and as I have said in my previous posts I am not a fan of reggaeton either but its survival (this time) depends on the PR market primarily and I think they are are in a better position to keep the genre alive via the Daddy Yankee's of this world etc. Once the Puerto Rican music market embraces a genre (whether it's a fad or not) you know what that means. Use merengue as an example. We all know Dominican merengue is authentic but PR has made a market for themselves with that genre over the years to the point where Dominican artists are undermined.

As for the Spanish it's to be expected. Don't forget reggaeton lyrics are example of 'la jerga del puertorrique?o radicado en los barrios de Nueva York' (quote from la BBCmundo) and not an example of the PR school system. You would be surprised to know that PR has very good (language) schools. Trust me I know that for a fact. Daddy Yankee is a rapper and the slang goes along with it.

Reggaeton is in the spotlight only because other genres are not producing simple as that and Latino youth are the target who possibly don't have any appreciation for the traditional rhythms. It may be here to stay and coexist with the other genres or it may be a fad. Only time will tell.


LDG.

People buy what ever is appealing to the ear. Puerto Rican artists did not undermine dominican merengue (often they work together). It has more to do with the appeal of the singer and how good their staff is at getting the CD out.

Reggaeton came to Puerto Rico from Panama and to Panama from Jamaica. remember "El General"? there are a lot more people and other countries other than U.S. listening to it. I was quite surprised but it is true.

all Reggaeton singers were not from New York. Tega Calderon, Daddy Yankee, Don Omar all born and raised in PR.

Of course this music will go out of style, they all do. the salsa we listen to today is not the same as 20 years ago. disco is no longer in. hip hop and rap has changed since its beginnings (although i still like the suger hill gang and run dmc)

so just be happy for these successful latinos!!!!!!!!!!!! and stop hating or is that hatin?
 
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Marianopolita

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Mami...

Not that I want to go back and forth on this but you may be misreading my posts. They are just my observations on music styles and trends and much more sympathetic than some of the others posters I think. I understand where you are coming from so there's no need to be so sensitive about this. Your last line is just way too far fetched for me I am too simple for that.

LDG.



mami said:
People buy what ever is appealing to the ear. Puerto Rican artists did not undermine dominican merengue (often they work together). It has more to do with the appeal of the singer and how good their staff is at getting the CD out.

Reggaeton came to Puerto Rico from Panama and to Panama from Jamaica. remember "El General"? there are a lot more people and other countries other than U.S. listening to it. I was quite surprised but it is true.

all Reggaeton singers were not from New York. Tega Calderon, Daddy Yankee, Don Omar all born and raised in PR.

Of course this music will go out of style, they all do. the salsa we listen to today is not the same as 20 years ago. disco is no longer in. hip hop and rap has changed since its beginnings (although i still like the suger hill gang and run dmc)

so just be happy for these successful latinos!!!!!!!!!!!! and stop hating or is that hatin?
 

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Noztra- Mart?n Rivera

I only read this newspaper every now and then and coincidentally yesterday I came across this article about a Dominican 'reggatonero' originally from San Francisco de Macor?s who grew up in New York that recently launched his first reggaeton cd. According to the article the first track El Maquin?n is being played on the radio. Noztra will be in concert @ MSG (Madison Square Garden) for the first time but he has been on stage before with Don Omar, Daddy Yankee y Tego Calder?n.

The cd is called 'Ya? Ain?t Ready / No est?n listos'

For those of you who like reggaeton here is the link to the article:

Reggatonero Noztra aspira a hacer historia
 
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daddy yankee is a big one for sure. check out the song Rompe.

Reggaeton sucks to to the umpph degree! Daddy Yankee sucks.Funny, I hear the word Cocolo used in the music alot. Isn't that a racist term??:ermm: And isn't reggae surposed to be for the upliftment of People of Color??I think this would along the line of Reggae, Don't you think??
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Alwayslost:

If you don't like a genre of music, you don't have to insult your own intelligence by speaking like a barrio chopo. What do you listen to, "Pipty Cent" or Sean Paul? As a musician , I have learned to be tolerant of everybody's music, even your's, if you even have a favorite genre.
 

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Funny thread. The most rational responses have been made by Lesley D. It's an interesting genre, to say the least. It speaks for a certain segment of Puerto Rico, most notably the underclass. I always snoop around and try to find the better music of a genre because I tend to shy away from what everyone else is listening to. Tego Calderon makes great social commentary and does it in a way that most people can understand. Daddy Yankee, when he's not doing reggaeton and just raps over Hip-Hop beats has some incredible lyrics.

I always misconstrued him as being somewhat one-dimensional but one of my Puerto Rican friends had me listen to some of his lesser-known material back in 1999 and the guy was talking about politics, bad situations where political leaders such as Luis Vigearoux and his movement were harrased, and all other sorts of social topics were discussed in the songs I heard. I always hear people criticize the artists and do as I did by saying that "they always talk the same stuff" but usually it's a method to gain attention and then put a spotlight on bigger issues. Truthfully, I don't like all reggaeton, actually, I don't listen to the majority of artists that are out there but there are some hidden jewels that are placed in the songs, you just have to look :)
 

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Dude, I am from Jamaica. It ain't that serious. Reggaeton evolved from dancehall and most of dancehall's topics are about as trivial as most of reggaeton's. A lot of it is just as repetitive.

neverlost said:
Reggaeton sucks to to the umpph degree! Daddy Yankee sucks.Funny, I hear the word Cocolo used in the music alot. Isn't that a racist term??:ermm: And isn't reggae surposed to be for the upliftment of People of Color??I think this would along the line of Reggae, Don't you think??
http://www.reggae-reviews.com/sizzla.html