Regularization plan ????

[cavok]

yes, but the junior paper pushers might KNOW something. even if they cannot DO something, they probably can tell us what can be done. especially since the junior paper pusher whom i know is the head honcho in POP.

this is exactly why i told yacht chef not to even bother airing his problems on DR1.

You never know. It's worth a try. I would just never rely on anything they said without getting it backed up by somebody at a higher pay grade at DGM in SD.

I remember when yc was posting on the PNRE thread with questions about getting into the program. Thanks in large part to the advice and encouragement he received from DR1 members he got into the program.

 

[cavok]

Much has changed recently in this department of the gov't

Every lawyer in Windy' mafia had a 'guarantor' who would sign for a fee
Citizenship, residency -- all the options

NO MORE !!... they all have been shown the exit by the department.
It was a sham....
These people were making $500-600 per application... for who knows how many daily !!??

History...........

Take it from me --- Mr Inbetween ... caught in the middle of the change

The lawyers can no longer sign as "guarantor" because DGM selected 3 "special" insurance companies to issue repatriation insurance that are now collecting millions of dollars in insurance premiums every year. Anyone who thinks those insurance companies are keeping all that money to themselves is dreaming. DGM just decided to cut out the middlemen and pocket the money themselves.

Not all lawyers are "mafia" lawyers - especially the bigger reputable firms like Guzman and others. They're doing deals worth tens of millions of dollars. A $1500 residency fee is chump change to them and hardly worth risking their reputation by offering bribes.

They have cultivated working business relationships with higher ups in DGM and they have the ability to get the "ear" of someone who counts and be able to get your case on their desk while Fulano has his case being handled by some low level clerk who is too lazy or to busy to look at his, or too incompetent to solve it.

Nothing illegal about that at all. That's the way things have always worked everywhere around the world and always will. It's the old saw of "it's not what you, but who you know".

 

[yacht chef]

Yes Cavok you remember correctly. The questions i asked Hammerdow could shead some light on a few things.

 

[cavok]

Yes Cavok you remember correctly. The questions i asked Hammerdow could shead some light on a few things.

Take advantage of that free consultation and get some very important questions answered. Accept the fact that this might cost you some money. This way too important and complicated to pinch pennies. This is not like renewing a residency where you can just come back with a document you missed. If you do go it alone and get turned down, it will be twice as hard to start over and try to get the decision overturned.

 

[RDKNIGHT]

Earth to DR1 members pay under the table.... no headaches ....

 

[william webster]

Cavok
It isn’t the insurance and lawyers I’m talking about.

Citizenships call for sponsors with rigorous credentials... hard to find guarantors
Those people were making a fortune... about $600US a signature
They got that boot

Yes, the insurance people got a sweet deal too

 

[william webster]

MidKnight
You are a bit out of touch these days.

Take it from someone on the front line.. in the fray

 

[the gorgon]

MidKnight
You are a bit out of touch these days.

Take it from someone on the front line.. in the fray

times have changed. in 2004, i walked into the offices of immigration by the SD malecon, filled out the paperwork, and asked the lady who was attending me how long i would have to wait. this was her reply...

''how long do you want to wait?''

i told her as little time as possible. she asked me if one month sounded good. i told her yes, at which point she wrote down the figure 9000, and asked me if i had it on me. i told her i did, and she handed me an empty envelope, and told me where the bathroom was. i packed the money in the envelope, went back to the line, handed it to her, and she asked me to write down my email address and phone number on a piece of paper she supplied. i went back to NYC, and exactly 30 days later she called me to tell me my stuff was ready. i went back to the office, and she had a lady waiting outside to usher me straight to the photographer.

9000 pesos. no abogado. i hooked up my friend with her, and she sent a car to pick him up at the airport.

 

[william webster]

Aaaah
The good old days....

 

[windeguy]

The lawyers can no longer sign as "guarantor" because DGM selected 3 "special" insurance companies to issue repatriation insurance that are now collecting millions of dollars in insurance premiums every year. Anyone who thinks those insurance companies are keeping all that money to themselves is dreaming. DGM just decided to cut out the middlemen and pocket the money themselves.

Not all lawyers are "mafia" lawyers - especially the bigger reputable firms like Guzman and others. They're doing deals worth tens of millions of dollars. A $1500 residency fee is chump change to them and hardly worth risking their reputation by offering bribes.

They have cultivated working business relationships with higher ups in DGM and they have the ability to get the "ear" of someone who counts and be able to get your case on their desk while Fulano has his case being handled by some low level clerk who is too lazy or to busy to look at his, or too incompetent to solve it.

Nothing illegal about that at all. That's the way things have always worked everywhere around the world and always will. It's the old saw of "it's not what you, but who you know".

I would have worked with a lawyer under one and only condition. When you hand me my next residency card, I have my new cedula, and I verify they are real, I give you your money. Period.

I have my doubts that the Migracion Mafia does not still exist.

 

[the gorgon]

Aaaah
The good old days....

and she did all this right there in the open. that was they way things were done. nobody batted an eyelid..

 

[yacht chef]

And now it is difficult for an American to get in the DR and Domicans are in the usa by the droves. I have to figure out my next move this week.

 

[cavok]

I would have worked with a lawyer under one and only condition. When you hand me my next residency card, I have my new cedula, and I verify they are real, I give you your money. Period.

I have my doubts that the Migracion Mafia does not still exist.

I'm sure there are still some individuals inside DGM that can be "encouraged" to help and some lawyers that know who they are but, especially after the Oderbrecht, the days of payoffs being s.o.p. are pretty much over - particularly for the average individual being able to just slide someone an "envelope".

Last year I was unable to to print out my "carta de buena conducta" and had to go to the Procuraduria in POP to get it. The gal told me to come back in 2-3 hours and it would be ready. I discretely offered her 500 pesos for "V.I.P" service and have it for me in 10 minutes. She got very nervous, started looking over her shoulder and told me there was no way she could do that.

I don't know of any lawyers anywhere that would work under your terms. Unfortunately, sometimes a lawyer is a necessary evil and there is no other practical option. Here in the DR, lawyers are pretty much indespensible for getting many things done.

 

[william webster]

Even when paying the road/traffic cops....

discretely is the modus operandi these days

Remember, The southern states used to operate this way -
you handed over your license and $10-20 with it....
quickly on your way
Try that today Black Knight and call us from the slammer

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

I'm convinced that when trying to get over a "wall", the ability to get the issue in front of someone who knows all the options and can bring about a successful resolution is paramount. This generally isn't the cashier or the page turners in the back office. I'm not suggesting that it is always necessary to thwart the system, just to make it possible for reason and fairness to be applied by those who are in a position to mange such things. A personal representative with contacts may be able to help with this.

There is a real apathy at play in many places and one needs to get past this. At home we ask for a supervisor or tier 1 tech support, here, many just accept the bleating of the pions because language and lack of procedural knowledge makes kicking up some dust an unpleasant and daunting prospect.

 

[windeguy]

I'm sure there are still some individuals inside DGM that can be "encouraged" to help and some lawyers that know who they are but, especially after the Oderbrecht, the days of payoffs being s.o.p. are pretty much over - particularly for the average individual being able to just slide someone an "envelope".

Last year I was unable to to print out my "carta de buena conducta" and had to go to the Procuraduria in POP to get it. The gal told me to come back in 2-3 hours and it would be ready. I discretely offered her 500 pesos for "V.I.P" service and have it for me in 10 minutes. She got very nervous, started looking over her shoulder and told me there was no way she could do that.

I don't know of any lawyers anywhere that would work under your terms. Unfortunately, sometimes a lawyer is a necessary evil and there is no other practical option. Here in the DR, lawyers are pretty much indespensible for getting many things done.

A fun story on the buena conducta document that I need for my special screw job of a regularization Migracion imposed on me and many others. I paid for it a BanReservas next to he court house and walked in with the receipt. I was told to come back in a couple of hours. When I returned, the woman behind the window asked for my cedula and told me it was expired and she could not print the document. It was explained to her that I needed the paper to proceed with residency "regularization" and get a new residency card and cedula. My wife then glared at her. A few seconds later I had my "good conduct" document. It was the final document I needed to head to Santo Domingo and turn in to Migracion, which I did the next day so nothing would "expire"...

 

[Cdn_Gringo]

Windy, it is this type situation to which I refer above. It drives me crazy. If they do not wish to process requests made online with expired cedulas, then it is incumbent upon THEM to not allow expired cedulas to be used to initiate the process. Perhaps clients should be directed to appear in person to explain why the cedula is expired as an alternative.

I still recognize that it is a good idea not to yell at anyone until they have been convinced to do what is necessary and right. After I get what I need though, I now take some pleasure in asking them not to be so stupid next time. It's like it's a automated response: Can't be done, not allowed, that is the rule etc. when clearly the result has to be achievable.

You really do need to live here to appreciate why all the foreigner residents seem to go gray prematurely and are seen wandering around swearing under their breath all the time. Govt is the worst, but businesses and even the guy dashing across the street in front of traffic are all readily willing to shrug off the possibility of any other outcome.

 

[Riva_31]

As far as I know, if you get a card that let you work after 2 years you can opt for Residence, you need to read more about a regularization plan.

 

[yacht chef]

As far as I know, if you get a card that let you work after 2 years you can opt for Residence, you need to read more about a regularization plan.

This could be very well true and in that case i would be very happy... getting the correct info is what my mission is and i am trying day by day. Thank you Riva 31

 

[the gorgon]

This could be very well true and in that case i would be very happy... getting the correct info is what my mission is and i am trying day by day. Thank you Riva 31

since you do not yet have the definitive answer, you have two choices.

1...you can get depressed with negative thinking, which might end up to be completely wasted..

2..you can get on with your life, and take it one step at a time. a 2 year reprieve is a lot of time in which to look for answers.