So everyone who doesn't agree that a Sovreign Nation has the right to decide at any time how many foreigner it will allow to live within its borders is now an "ignorant"? You did not arrive as a conquering hero but as a guest and as long as you and your "acquaintances" reside there you do so as a privilege, not a right, at the leisure of that Sovreign Government.
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So everyone who doesn't agree that a Sovreign Nation has the right to decide at any time how many foreigner it will allow to live within its borders is now an "ignorant"? You did not arrive as a conquering hero but as a guest and as long as you and your "acquaintances" reside there you do so as a privilege, not a right, at the leisure of that Sovreign Government.
the peter brunck thing is nationwide news, random friends in la vega are asking me if i knew the german guy with more armaments than the president.. i assume that things are going to get a lot harder nowadays for people trying to live here long term, i doubt it will have much if any impact on tourist revenue, which is all that matters really.
One of the points trying to be made is:
Once you are accepted, you should not later be kicked out because you got sick.
Should the U.S. kick out all the Dominicans that have gotten sick since their acceptance to the U.S.?
The U. S. kicks out Dominicans on a daily basis, and for many varying reasons. We get kicked out for drug dealing, theft, murder and for driving drunk of all things. Nevertheless we hardly get deported for being terminally ill or overstaying our visas, mainly because most Dominicans arrive with their immigration papers already in order. Thus, once Dominicans are within the continental United States, there's hardly any need for us to face immigration personnel again.
If a Dominican becomes terminally ill, immigration never gets wind of this, saving us the hassle of being deported. Moral of the story, if there is one, expats put your papers in order, before becoming terminally ill, this way government officials won't ever know you suffer from a disease that would hinder you from staying within the country.
Yes, of course you are correct. But in the DR, first there is temporary residency, then permanent. Each must periodically be renewed, along with the physical. Thus, the opportunity for rejection by DR immigration for medical reasons occurs over and over again.
Lindsey
And...those committing crimes as a guest in another country SHOULD be "kicked out" and sent home, no matter whether it is the US, the DR, or any country in the world.
Lindsey
Lindsey
As I have said before, "Permanent Residency" in RD is a misnomer.
Any time you need to renew, that cannot be called "Permanent", all residency status here is in temporary form until citizenship.
Any time you need to renew, that cannot be called "Permanent", all residency status here is in temporary form until citizenship.
What I don't understand is why somebody will spend 10, 20 or 30 years in a country and never become a citizen of that country!
If you are not a citizen of that country you can't complain when you are kicked out because you are a guest.
It is like Dominicans living here in the USA since they are toddlers, and never become citizen, and later get deported for a minor violation. I don't feel sorry for them. Why they didn't apply for citizenship when they had the chance!
Immigration laws are always changing and getting hard in every country around the world, that's why if you can get citizenship without losing your birth citizenship, why not get it?
I understand that some countries won't allow dual citizenship like Germany and The Netherlands, but American, British and Canadian have no excuse.
If you are not a citizen of that country you can't complain when you are kicked out because you are a guest.
It is like Dominicans living here in the USA since they are toddlers, and never become citizen, and later get deported for a minor violation. I don't feel sorry for them. Why they didn't apply for citizenship when they had the chance!
Immigration laws are always changing and getting hard in every country around the world, that's why if you can get citizenship without losing your birth citizenship, why not get it?
I understand that some countries won't allow dual citizenship like Germany and The Netherlands, but American, British and Canadian have no excuse.
Hardly an argument Lindsey, considering that most expats on this forum have lived their lives one winter in paradise at a time, for well over 5 years. All the while overstaying their visas, now it has all caught up with them. People should have made arrangements to go through this "periodical" ordeal you speak of, hence saving themselves all this hassle in the first place.
I have a permanent residency here.............
Will I have to take a medical in 2 years when I have to renew........
Still don't understand the new rules..........
B in Santiago
Will I have to take a medical in 2 years when I have to renew........
Still don't understand the new rules..........
B in Santiago
first, guys, let us not go crazy here over "why they did not become citizens". there are plenty of gringos here who in the same time frame never bothered to get a residency, let alone citizenship.
some nations do not allow two passports. others frown at helping you in need if you have a double citizenship. some may make it more difficult to receive pension or social help if double citizenship cases. so leave it. i've been here 6 years, i am married to a dominican and will stay here as long as this love exist, till the day i die, maybe. but i am not considering a citizenship. i am a polak. i want to remain polak. i do not need another passport to make my life better.
another issue. americans may be used to a different setup, because their government often goes to extraordinary lengths in order to help them and protect them. but in reality the "system" is not there FOR the people. the main goal is to protect the nation and not the individuals. this is how things work. there is no soul or compassion. only rules and regulation.
lastly, to compare it with less cilivilized country than USA: there are two big cases in PL right now. one is a dude who had a huge financial business offering high CD rates based on gold investment. he went bankrupt and let thousand of folks in dire straits. he was only arrested after a huge media campaign uncovering his connections to the government, his financial records and info on other companies he started, under his wife's name, after the bankruptcy. and then is a story about single mother who owed some small cash (about 500 dollars), did not pay, did not show up to court and was eventually arrested by the police, in her home, in the presence of her small kids. they only let her stay to see the kids taken to the orphanage before whisking her to prison.
it is not fair. that's all.
some nations do not allow two passports. others frown at helping you in need if you have a double citizenship. some may make it more difficult to receive pension or social help if double citizenship cases. so leave it. i've been here 6 years, i am married to a dominican and will stay here as long as this love exist, till the day i die, maybe. but i am not considering a citizenship. i am a polak. i want to remain polak. i do not need another passport to make my life better.
another issue. americans may be used to a different setup, because their government often goes to extraordinary lengths in order to help them and protect them. but in reality the "system" is not there FOR the people. the main goal is to protect the nation and not the individuals. this is how things work. there is no soul or compassion. only rules and regulation.
lastly, to compare it with less cilivilized country than USA: there are two big cases in PL right now. one is a dude who had a huge financial business offering high CD rates based on gold investment. he went bankrupt and let thousand of folks in dire straits. he was only arrested after a huge media campaign uncovering his connections to the government, his financial records and info on other companies he started, under his wife's name, after the bankruptcy. and then is a story about single mother who owed some small cash (about 500 dollars), did not pay, did not show up to court and was eventually arrested by the police, in her home, in the presence of her small kids. they only let her stay to see the kids taken to the orphanage before whisking her to prison.
it is not fair. that's all.
I very much doubt it. The US Consulate doesn't seem to be obliged to tell Dominicans why they don't get a visa.
don't keep making stupid comparisons to the US ,there are atleast one million Dominicans in the US and 72% of them are getting some form of welfare, foreighners in this country only pump money into the system and for that we get treated very unfairly especially by the so called judicial system.
Playing God
IMO, it all depends whom and what we are talking about.
1. Let's face it. We all shall die. Most likely from some illness in later years. So, do you accept, that some MdG doctor (Do we know whether he is really a 'medico'?) can deny you a renewal of your residency (which, let us assume you have held for 20 years) because you have some cancer (as we know is not contageous)?
2. Is this 'doctor's' decision bound by any rules, list of illnesses, a second opinion?
3. Breast cancer in women, colon cancer in men.
Throw them out, yeah....
Ken, I wish you an old age in good health.
donP
IMO, it all depends whom and what we are talking about.
1. Let's face it. We all shall die. Most likely from some illness in later years. So, do you accept, that some MdG doctor (Do we know whether he is really a 'medico'?) can deny you a renewal of your residency (which, let us assume you have held for 20 years) because you have some cancer (as we know is not contageous)?
2. Is this 'doctor's' decision bound by any rules, list of illnesses, a second opinion?
3. Breast cancer in women, colon cancer in men.
Throw them out, yeah....
Ken, I wish you an old age in good health.
donP