Social Conditioning of Dominicans through History?? What Do You Think??

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Acira

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Exactly ; if you were to teach your daughter that she was beautiful exclusively because of her skin colour or ethnic makeup you would be promoting a bias that could become racist thought. As you say you teach her that all people are beautiful and worthy.
Several postings by others on here seem to think that being equal means some are more equal that others. Perhaps that's not what they meant but words seem to have the ability to be interpreted differently by different people, thus we have so many problems trying to understand each other.

Sorry Bob but thats exactly perfectly understood like it is written, but your effort to try smooth things down is appreciated.

Africaida, don't let them get you, you are right to raise your children with a positive knowledge of their skin color, it will only make them more tolerant and open to others and other cultures.
 

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Right. My search for history began where the lessons ended.



Traditional Western history (more philosophy than history, really) So at the end of the day, we have two sets of people on different shores who are the product of extremely similar circumstances and finding themselves in extremely similar conditions and you think that a conversation between the two which is in no way, shape or form about you is "Afrocentrism" (like that's a bad thing).
It's "Humanity".


ps..please stop trying to paraphrase Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King jr. like you could give a damn. It comes across as patronizing.

Traditional Western History is more fairy tale and "This is what you should believe happened" than even Walt Disney could create.
 

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Exactly ; if you were to teach your daughter that she was beautiful exclusively because of her skin colour or ethnic makeup you would be promoting a bias that could become racist thought. As you say you teach her that all people are beautiful and worthy.

Thank you !

Plus, I want to add that I will hope that my children won't be fixated on superficial thing such as beauty or money.

On a lighter side, my 3.5 year old son, saw a picture of Scarlet Johansson yesterday and he said: she is soooooo cute. I was happy that he has such good tastes so early in life :)
 
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"Brothers" implies family.

We are not family in that regard. We are merely the same species occupying the same planet.

"Taking care of one another" is all fine and good, as long as one man doesn't force another man to accept his version of how much, when, how and what kind of help is needed...and is enforced by the guns of man-imposed institutions.

Free Will also means free to not act...

The "guns of man-imposed institutions" are not there to force you to help anyone. They are there to ensure that you do not interfere with anyone else's "Free Will" by trying to stop them from voting or getting decent employment or housing or trying to keep their children out of school.

I have carried those "guns" proudly.
 

Africaida

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Sorry Bob but thats exactly perfectly understood like it is written, but your effort to try smooth things down is appreciated.

Africaida, don't let them get you, you are right to raise your children with a positive knowledge of their skin color, it will only make them more tolerant and open to others and other cultures.

Thanks Acira :bunny: (Seriously, it is not something we discuss every day or we haven't even discussed yet but eventually it will come up especially IF I raise them in the US).
 

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Graydread: RE: Your post 837. You have to go back to the historical context.
Brigham Young could not win a football game with the people they recruited. So they had to change the teachings of the founders, sweep them under the rug, and go get those very large bodies that could do the job!!

At least that seems how it was....But I am no scholar on this topic..just talking..

HB
 

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Oh yes. we are really far off topic and this has almost no relation to the Dominican Republic or its history any more.
We might as well talk about the outstanding spaghetti and meat/Italian sausages and great salad with lettuce, tomatoes and arugula that I had.

HB
 
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I said you are asking for problems, did you miss that? How would a very young child anyway feel as if they were an inferior color anyway? Racism is a learned trait.

If a parent raises a child by constantly reiterating that the child should find self worth because of their color in a racist society this could and does cause problems. I have knnow enough racsits in my life to have witnessed this.

It is better to acknowledge that the Creaor made people of all colors because He likes it but that he judges a person by their character. If every parent did this there would no longer be racism in this world. Racism is perpetuated because kids learn to think that their color or race or whatever is better than someone elses. I don't see how people can argue with this latter point because kids are not born racist - it is learned.

My limited experience tells me you are correct in that racism is a learned trait. Unfortunately a young brown girl can learn, if left to figure out the world on her own, that she is inferior to others by virtue of her color and the other traits that are gifts of her family's gene pool. I don't think it is racism to try to explain this to her. Rather it is the duty of any adult who takes responsibility in her upbringing to help her repudiate those ideas.
 
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Greydead just doesn't get it. I wonder the comments I'd get if I posted a poem about how great it is to be white.

And I could seriously say that maybe it is you that doesnt get it.

Sometimes I get the impression from some of you(se) that docile black people are the best ones to know. And those who are docile, MUST BE HOSTILE. When in another mans eyes the hostility you may feel could be introspection and articulation. Whereas the docility I may be I d interpret as subservience and genuflection. So many eyes to see the world, who is right?
 

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Graydread: RE: Your post 837. You have to go back to the historical context.
Brigham Young could not win a football game with the people they recruited. So they had to change the teachings of the founders, sweep them under the rug, and go get those very large bodies that could do the job!!

At least that seems how it was....But I am no scholar on this topic..just talking..

HB

Haaaha! They must've watched the "Jimmy the Greek" analysis on the subject of selective breeding. That was one of the funniest things I've ever heard. The media was wrong to dump on him after that. None of the people who vilified him spoke on my behalf. The guy brought sports entertainment to a higher plateau.

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Too bad. He wasn't mean. He just wasn't very smart that day.
 

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And I could seriously say that maybe it is you that doesnt get it.

Sometimes I get the impression from some of you(se) that docile black people are the best ones to know. And those who are docile, MUST BE HOSTILE. When in another mans eyes the hostility you may feel could be introspection and articulation. Whereas the docility I may be I d interpret as subservience and genuflection. So many eyes to see the world, who is right?

I try to see the world through the eyes of JC. I don't believe He would promote one persons color over another.
 

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I agree with you on this 100%

I try to see the world through the eyes of JC. I don't believe He would promote one persons color over another.

You are right!

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Graydread: RE: Your post 837. You have to go back to the historical context.
Brigham Young could not win a football game with the people they recruited. So they had to change the teachings of the founders, sweep them under the rug, and go get those very large bodies that could do the job!!

At least that seems how it was....But I am no scholar on this topic..just talking..

HB
Kind of like all those Black Irish playing for Notre Dame. No with the CJCLS(Mormons) it was just getting with modern times.
 

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Sometimes I get the impression from some of you(se) that docile black people are the best ones to know.
Not me.

I don't care who you are.

Just be of good character in word and deed, treat me and my family with honesty and respect and I'll judge you accordingly.

You don't object to that, do you?

And there are a whole bunch like me out there.
 

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I said you are asking for problems, did you miss that? How would a very young child anyway feel as if they were an inferior color anyway? Racism is a learned trait.

rned.


I am sure that you heard of the doll experiment. It was redone not that long ago and the results were the same. Kids start picking up social cues by the time they get to school. In a majority white society it is sometimes necessary to engage in this self affirmation. I knew a woman from Trinidad whose daughter was upset that her hair wasnt like the other girls in the class...she was the only black (or mixed kid using Caribbean terminologies) in the class.


BTW a white kid in a majority non white environment might need similar reaffirmation depending on where they were.
 

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You know ... it's interesting. For anyone who thinks that "racial issues" are not a problem, all they have to do is read a thread like this. It's all here. And WE are arguing over it. But, notice that the argument primarily involves North Americans, with a North American viewpoint, and based on North American history. If I were Dominican, I would sit back and be entertained. And then I would say "F*** No!!! We don't have any of THAT here!!"

Race IS a problem. There are still some major issues to be resolved. And I don't see how arguing about it right now (or even fighting over it) will resolve those issues anytime soon. Arguments are never a good substitute for action.

I know that there are some who might wonder how I could make the statements that I have made, given MY personal history. While I have never denied that racial issues are real, I have tried to take some of the focus off of it, while directing things to another way of thinking.

My reasons ... and this is just MY opinion ... are that we have much much more to focus on right now than what we consider to be racism. I say "consider to be" because, for one, no matter how bad it may seem to you right now, it is NOTHING compared to what it was like in the past. Now, I am not diminishing anyone here who experiences it. I have too. And I know that for you, it is very real. If you ask me "are we there yet", I would say "No". But we do have a lot more control over our destinies than before. And a lot more options for action.

In my opinion, we are looking at what MAY become an emerging class system in the US -- not necessarily based on race, or socialism vs capitalism, or any other political BS -- AND with a shrinking middle class and growing number of poor. (Disclaimer, I am pro small business/capitalism, and pro individual freedom.) While we (black and white) sit and argue over race, other business is being done, other agendas are being put in place, and by people who are not personally concerned with race. All while THE REST OF US (black and white) continue to be locked in a racial argument. That, of course, is way beyond the topic of this thread.

We need that passion to be focused on more than why someone straightens their hair or uses skin lightening cream. We need that energy to be focused on more than wondering whether some "rapper" kid in droopy pants is a gansta or is thinking about taking your stuff. If somebody has a better shot at life because their father had more than my father -- for whatever reason -- hey, it's been that way throughout human history. I will just work at getting mine, and making sure that my kids have a better shot than me. If somebody seems to you to be getting something for nothing, something that you did not get by choice or otherwise, hey -- again, it's always been that way in some form or another. And all groups have benefited from that kind of thing at some point or another in time.

Absolutely, there is a lot that I don't like about the way I see some behave, as I go about my day-to-day. But if it does not affect me, I have a few other things to occupy me besides trying to control someone elses life ... or way of thinking. And it IS sad to see all of the energy that gets spent on differences, rather than similarities, when there is so much else that we all need to have accomplished on our collective behalf (jobs, crime, drugs, personal freedom, ....)

Just my opinion.

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So far as "Social Conditioning of Dominicans through History", we could just as easily have focused on things like the impact of the DR family on behavior, or the impact of the US media on the DR value system, or how senior citizens are treated in the DR, or .... so much more. Just a thought.

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There is a quick test all of you can take to know if you're racist or not, or if you have a preference towards a certain color or not.

Click here and click on the race test to see how racist you may be and/or the color test regarding colorism. As you will see, there are many other tests (age, sex, etc).

All made by Harvard University.
 

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Really?

Merely occupying the same planet doesn't make us brothers. Some deeper commonality does.

That is the most wholesome crock of bullshard I could admit to reading. Unless you have a spare planet to turn to when this one isnt fit for life then everyman is your brother. If you had a majestic vision as I do then you would notice that and find no use in wars or the tragedies they bring about. As you would want nothing to happen to your nieces, nephews nor cousins, distant or close, in the idea that everyman is your brother means you dont want to export the same malevolence and strife toward another man in another land. Especially to steal what isnt yours.

That is your JC lesson if anyone cared to pay attention. I think some of us paid too much attention to the cool leather bound sandals and wild water to wine? parties.
 
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