Social Conditioning of Dominicans through History?? What Do You Think??

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Exxtol

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Out of 300 million people, roughly 4 or 5 million are 'mixed', albeit what mixture represents most of that 'mixed' sector is not clear. In either case, it accounts for at least 2% of the population, give or take. As tempting as it is for many, 2% is not enough to merit ignoring what has been documented in multiple sociological studies.

I'm sorry. I don't know where you got that ridiculously low number but I can assure you that the number of mixed people in the US is far greater than 4 or 5 million in a country with over 300 million!! In any event I don't know what part of the states you're living these days (you're still living in the US no?) but your "figures" don't mesh well with the reality.

By the way it is extremely difficult to measure the number of mixed raced people in the US considering many identify more with one race than the other, especially as you've pointed out, black/white mixes.


?They?ll be black because that?s the way they?re seen. Barack Obama, Tiger Woods, Halle Berry, have all known that. Will that change? Don?t hold your breath.?

Interestingly enough out of the two biracial folks you mentioned above, two very visible "black" people had children with white people........so again you're wrong, things are changing.
 

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So what is she?
Black, white, morena, Grimel, mullata.

Help me out here - I have got to tell her something.
 

woofsback

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she's dominican
everything else is a stereo-type
so others can fit thier perception into a nice neat and tidy category
colour never defines a person...
 

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she's dominican
everything else is a stereo-type
so others can fit thier perception into a nice neat and tidy category
colour never defines a person...

Actually ... she is probably NOT Dominican

even if she was born here

Even if her mother has a cedula

Since her mother is Haitian, no? And her father is a Brit, no?

so she would have been issued a birth certificate from the Libra Rosada... which she will be able to use to get her British and Haitian national papers and passports.

But

she IS Adorable!!
 

pedrochemical

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Actually ... she is probably NOT Dominican

even if she was born here

Even if her mother has a cedula

Since her mother is Haitian, no? And her father is a Brit, no?

so she would have been issued a birth certificate from the Libra Rosada... which she will be able to use to get her British and Haitian national papers and passports.

But

she IS Adorable!!


She is Haitian and British passportwise - thoroughly against the rules about dual nationality - but lived in the D.R. for most of her life.


And yes she is adorable - she takes after her dad!:bunny:
 

woofsback

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well my tongue has preceded my brain again :)
i forget sometimes that both countries are integrated so closely

my point being that it's not the colour that makes that little girl who she is
it's the family, culture, support, and surroundings in her life
 

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So to many of you this is a picture of a middle aged gringo with two Dominican school girls. To others this is white guy with black children. To the girls this is a picture with Bob. To me it's a picture with Angelica and Noelia.
 
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I'm sorry. I don't know where 1. you got that ridiculously low number...

Interestingly enough out of the two biracial folks 2. you mentioned above, two very visible "black" people had children with white people........

so again you're wrong, 3. things are changing.
1. The link was "right there." :surprised

2. I didn't mentioned them, the guy quoted in the link that's "right there" did. :paranoid:

3. I actually did said that in my post. :eek:gre:

These responses remind me of what I said in #8 in my original post. In case you ?miss it,? let me bring it to light:

8. DR: on the individual subject to being discriminated, being conscious of the prejudice is intermittent. The person hardly thinks of his color in terms of being part of his identity, it?s simply a feature similar to having black or blonde hair. No further implications.

USA: on the group subject to being discriminated, being conscious of the prejudice is constant and obsessive. The person constantly reaffirms his identity along racial lines; his identity is intimately intertwined with his ?race? to such a degree that it?s (a) a permanent need of auto affirmation, (b) constant defensive attitude, and (c) being very sensitive to any reference, explicitly or implicitly, relating to his ?race.? This last part includes a constant monitoring and judging of the attitudes of those who are part of the ?race,? as well as those who are not; and if there is any inconsistency or discrepancy, it will be brought to everyone?s attention.

So far, points #2 and #8 have had wonderful examples, I hope this doesn't mean examples of the remaining 9 will be presented here.

;)
 

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For those who think the US is finally the great "melting pot" where nobody cares who marries who, think again. While living in Orlando with my black wife it was apparent many people found it troubling or unusual. Case in point people would stare and some older couples would smile at us while some obvious showed their disapproval. Just the fact that people stared reiterates that it is still considered unusual. It was much worse in Ga, SC, and Va when we traveled. For this reason we did things as a hispanic couple and we fit in the community just fine.

Of course to some the US only consists of NY and LA and everything is doesn't count but that's what we expect them to think anyway.

Here in the DR there is no issue at all and the greatest thing of all is I no longer have to hear "the kids are the ones who will suffer because they won't know who they are".
 
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USA: on the group subject to being discriminated, being conscious of the prejudice is constant and obsessive. The person constantly reaffirms his identity along racial lines; his identity is intimately intertwined with his ?race? to such a degree that it?s (a) a permanent need of auto affirmation, (b) constant defensive attitude, and (c) being very sensitive to any reference, explicitly or implicitly, relating to his ?race.? This last part includes a constant monitoring and judging of the attitudes of those who are part of the ?race,? as well as those who are not; and if there is any inconsistency or discrepancy, it will be brought to everyone?s attention.

It seems to me that whoever originally wrote this, or whoever is obsessed with presenting this this way, has no clue They may actually be the one with the issues. Or may just be interested is "stirring things up". This is a prime example of "stereotyping all members of a group".

I see myself as an individual. Be glad that I see YOU that way too.

If I, as a black American, can comment on this thread while also completely taking race out of the equation (see my earlier thread), I really have to wonder WHO has an issue. And wonder how accurate that statement is.

But since US issues are NOT the topic of this thread, I will make/take no further comment on this.
 
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